Potential Zach Trade Partners? 24/25 Edition

[Chi town]

I hear the kings called about Zach lavine so why is he still on the team

Zach for Demar lol ? . Or do they really want to pair those two together again after Bulls already failed with them ? I know they have Sabonis/Fox as well but still idk how Zach fits in there with them.

I'd imagine any trade for Zach would include Demar being traded elsewhere as he can't be traded back to Chicago anyways.

Zach would be a great fit in Sacto (assuming DDR) is gone, he'd EASILY be their best 3pt shooter, something they severely lack.

I can see Jimmy Butler in Sac for DDR. Heat wanted DDR in the summer but didn’t have the room. They want to win. DDR gives them a vet scorer.

[sco]

Zach for Demar lol ? . Or do they really want to pair those two together again after Bulls already failed with them ? I know they have Sabonis/Fox as well but still idk how Zach fits in there with them.

I'd imagine any trade for Zach would include Demar being traded elsewhere as he can't be traded back to Chicago anyways.

Zach would be a great fit in Sacto (assuming DDR) is gone, he'd EASILY be their best 3pt shooter, something they severely lack.

I can see Jimmy Butler in Sac for DDR. Heat wanted DDR in the summer but didn’t have the room. They want to win. DDR gives them a vet scorer.

I have a hard time seeing the Heat want DDR, but makes sense for Sacto. I just think DDR's trade value has to be low given how his last 2 stops look with him.

[Anderson Hunt]

Bulls out: LaVine, Vucevic, Lonzo Ball, Patrick Williams, and Jevon Carter

Bulls in: Butler, Duncan Robinson, Looney, Hachimura, Vanderbilt, Gary Payton, Reddish, and Jaxon Hayes

Bulls waive: Torrey Craig, Julian Phillips, and Chris Duarte

PG - Giddy - Dosunmu - Tucker
SG - White - Payton - Robinson
C --- Looney - Smith - Hayes
PF - Hachimura - Vanderbilt - Buzelis
SF - Butler - Terry - Reddish

Heat out: Butler and Duncan Robinson

Heat in: Andrew Wiggins, Kyle Anderson, Kuminga, Podzeimski, Gabe Vincent, and Hood-Schifino

Heat waive: Josh Richardson, Alec Burks, and Kevin Love

PG - Anderson - Vincent - Schifino
SG - Herro - Rozier - Podz
C --- Adebayo - Jovic - Ware
PF - Highsmith - Kuminga - Johnson
SF - Wiggins - Jaquez - Larsson

Warriors out: Andrew Wiggins, Kuminga, Podzeimski, Looney, Gary Payton, and Kyle Anderson

Warriors in: Lonzo Ball, Vucevic, Patrick Williams, and Christian Wood

Warriors sign: Markelle Fultz

PG - Fultz - (Ball) - Schroeder
SG - Curry - Hield - Spencer
C --- Vucevic - Davis - Wood
PF - Green - Williams - Santos
SF - Ball - Moody - Waters

Lakers out: Hachimura, Vanderbilt, Vincent, Hood-Schifino, Jaxon Hayes, Christian Wood, and Reddish.

Lakers in: LaVine and Jevon Carter

Lakers sign: Biyombo, Dwight Howard, Keita Bates-Diop, and Troy Brown Jr.

PG - Reaves - (James) - Milton
SG - Christie - Carter - James
C -- Davis - Biyombo - Howard
PF - Smith - Diop - Brown Jr.
SF - James - LaVine - Knecht

[Muzbar]

Bulls out: LaVine, Vucevic, Lonzo Ball, Patrick Williams, and Jevon Carter

Bulls in: Butler, Duncan Robinson, Looney, Hachimura, Vanderbilt, Gary Payton, Reddish, and Jaxon Hayes

Bulls waive: Torrey Craig, Julian Phillips, and Chris Duarte

PG - Giddy - Dosunmu - Tucker
SG - White - Payton - Robinson
C --- Looney - Smith - Hayes
PF - Hachimura - Vanderbilt - Buzelis
SF - Butler - Terry - Reddish

Heat out: Butler and Duncan Robinson

Heat in: Andrew Wiggins, Kyle Anderson, Kuminga, Podzeimski, Gabe Vincent, and Hood-Schifino

Heat waive: Josh Richardson, Alec Burks, and Kevin Love

PG - Anderson - Vincent - Schifino
SG - Herro - Rozier - Podz
C --- Adebayo - Jovic - Ware
PF - Highsmith - Kuminga - Johnson
SF - Wiggins - Jaquez - Larsson

Warriors out: Andrew Wiggins, Kuminga, Podzeimski, Looney, Gary Payton, and Kyle Anderson

Warriors in: Lonzo Ball, Vucevic, Patrick Williams, and Christian Wood

Warriors sign: Markelle Fultz

PG - Fultz - (Ball) - Schroeder
SG - Curry - Hield - Spencer
C --- Vucevic - Davis - Wood
PF - Green - Williams - Santos
SF - Ball - Moody - Waters

Lakers out: Hachimura, Vanderbilt, Vincent, Hood-Schifino, Jaxon Hayes, Christian Wood, and Reddish.

Lakers in: LaVine and Jevon Carter

Lakers sign: Biyombo, Dwight Howard, Keita Bates-Diop, and Troy Brown Jr.

PG - Reaves - (James) - Milton
SG - Christie - Carter - James
C -- Davis - Biyombo - Howard
PF - Smith - Diop - Brown Jr.
SF - James - LaVine - Knecht

What's the point in getting Butler if you're trading out all other veterans/win now pieces?

Also I'm pretty certain you need a minimum amount on a roster before and after making a trade, so 7-for-2 trades aren't going to work.

[WindyCityBorn]

No to Butler.

[Anderson Hunt]

Also I'm pretty certain you need a minimum amount on a roster before and after making a trade, so 7-for-2 trades aren't going to work.

Butler is just an expiring. Bulls get Hachimura, Vanderbilt, and cap relief for LaViine, Williams,:and Vucevic.

[Muzbar]

Also I'm pretty certain you need a minimum amount on a roster before and after making a trade, so 7-for-2 trades aren't going to work.

Butler is just an expiring. Bulls get Hachimura, Vanderbilt, and cap relief for LaVine and Vucevic.

But Butler isn't an expiring, he has a 52m player option for next year.

[Anderson Hunt]

Also I'm pretty certain you need a minimum amount on a roster before and after making a trade, so 7-for-2 trades aren't going to work.

Butler is just an expiring. Bulls get Hachimura, Vanderbilt, and cap relief for LaVine and Vucevic.

But Butler isn't an expiring, he has a 52m player option for next year.

Correct, and barring injury, how likely is he to pick that up?

Be clear, he's asking out because he wants to opt-out and sign a new deal.

[Muzbar]

Butler is just an expiring. Bulls get Hachimura, Vanderbilt, and cap relief for LaVine and Vucevic.

But Butler isn't an expiring, he has a 52m player option for next year.

Correct, and barring injury, how likely is he to pick that up?

Be clear, he's asking out because he wants to opt-out and sign a new deal.

No, he's asking for an extension. There's no mention of opting out. He'll get an extension on the end of that 52m.

[jnrjr79]

But Butler isn't an expiring, he has a 52m player option for next year.

Correct, and barring injury, how likely is he to pick that up?

Be clear, he's asking out because he wants to opt-out and sign a new deal.

No, he's asking for an extension. There's no mention of opting out. He'll get an extension on the end of that 52m.

Does he opt in if the Heat or any team that acquires him doesn’t extend, though?

[Muzbar]

Correct, and barring injury, how likely is he to pick that up?

Be clear, he's asking out because he wants to opt-out and sign a new deal.

No, he's asking for an extension. There's no mention of opting out. He'll get an extension on the end of that 52m.

Does he opt in if the Heat or any team that acquires him doesn’t extend, though?

Why would he leave 52m on the table? He won't get that on the open market.

[Anderson Hunt]

But Butler isn't an expiring, he has a 52m player option for next year.

Correct, and barring injury, how likely is he to pick that up?

Be clear, he's asking out because he wants to opt-out and sign a new deal.

No, he's asking for an extension. There's no mention of opting out. He'll get an extension on the end of that 52m.

I stand corrected. Thank you.

I'm actually fine with the worse case scenario of Butler possibly opting-in.

His expiring, even if it's not this year but next, still saves the Bulls a ton of money and kickstarts a proper rebuild with only Vanderbilt's contract as a potential "bad" contract.

[jnrjr79]

No, he's asking for an extension. There's no mention of opting out. He'll get an extension on the end of that 52m.

Does he opt in if the Heat or any team that acquires him doesn’t extend, though?

Why would he leave 52m on the table? He won't get that on the open market.

I guess it just depends how badly he wants outta there.

[Future Coach]

The most logical trade partner for Miami with Butler is Detroit. Even if Butler only just agrees to opt-in for next season.

If Detroit and Miami don't make a deal, Detroit is still a logical trade partner for the Bulls with Lavine. The optics of "division rivals" making a trade like that makes it seem like it would be unlikely, but Detroit has a # of ways to match salaries without getting other teams involved.

[Muzbar]

The most logical trade partner for Miami with Butler is Detroit. Even if Butler only just agrees to opt-in for next season.

If Detroit and Miami don't make a deal, Detroit is still a logical trade partner for the Bulls with Lavine. The optics of "division rivals" making a trade like that makes it seem like it would be unlikely, but Detroit has a # of ways to match salaries without getting other teams involved.

Detroit has 14m (or is it 16m?) in space so they don't need to match his salary straight up so that helps. Plus they have salaries like THJ (16m) & Stewart (15m).

Zach makes more sense to Detroit than Butler, IMO.

Edit: Also it's worth pointing out that Detroit can't trade a FRP until 2029 as they currently own a FRP to Minnesota that has protections on it through 2027, although it seems likely it will convey this year (top 13 protected and Pistons making a playoff push), they can't trade picks 2026 and 2027 as those protections aren't finalised until it actually conveys.

[CROBulls]

Risk with Butler is that he will opt in if he is traded to non contender. He can say what he wants in media, but there is actually very low chance he get any significant guaranteed contract worth more than opting in.

So let say that Bulls decide to trade for Jimmy with intention of clearing salary this summer. You trade Zach for Jimmy. Makes sense. You counting for Jimmy to opt out in summer. And then after free agency starts he decide to opt in after offers in FA are lackluster. You not getting any other significant or any value from Heat. And Heat in return get possible All-Star calibre player, still in prime (29 year old) on contract which is less money per year than Jimmy is on currently.

Heat has no downside here.

Now that I said it. Bulls are certainly gonna do that. They are stupid.

[TheSuzerain]

No, he's asking for an extension. There's no mention of opting out. He'll get an extension on the end of that 52m.

Does he opt in if the Heat or any team that acquires him doesn’t extend, though?

Why would he leave 52m on the table? He won't get that on the open market.

He will.

[Muzbar]

Does he opt in if the Heat or any team that acquires him doesn’t extend, though?

Why would he leave 52m on the table? He won't get that on the open market.

He will.

From who? No one has that much capspace.

[Chi town]

Why would he leave 52m on the table? He won't get that on the open market.

He will.

From who? No one has that much capspace.

Exactly.

No one will overpay Jimmy and send assets in a ST to make it work.

[TheSuzerain]

Why would he leave 52m on the table? He won't get that on the open market.

He will.

From who? No one has that much capspace.

Nets would probably offer him $100M+.