Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft

[TheSuzerain]

Garrett is on a value deal for the next two seasons. Not cumbersome at all to build around him.

[jnrjr79]

Garrett is on a value deal for the next two seasons. Not cumbersome at all to build around him.

I'd happily take him on his current contract or pay him a market contract if he were a FA. But with the draft capital you'd likely need to trade to get him, I think it just leaves the Bears too shorthanded. But I get it - Garrett is freak of nature.

[Jeffster81]

We did get something in return- we got Montez Sweat, currently our best pass rusher by a mile.

"Our best pass rusher by a mile" is damning with faint praise, though. He had 5.5 sacks this season.

5.5 sacks, and 5 wins. That is nothing in return. The whole point of these deals that sacrifice the long run for the short run is to get better in the short run. We are literally regressing.

I disagreed that it is nothing. I expect a huge turnaround for Montez in 2025.

[fleet]

Garrett is great enough and young enough and that you do consider it I think.

He's two years older than Mack was when the Bears traded for him, and Mack declined over the course of that contract (after the monster first year, admittedly).

He's not old, but he's not young.

Mack had a 17 sack season two years ago and was pretty good this past year.

Plus Garrett is better than Mack.

I would not deal two 1sts. But 1.10 and next years 2nd I'd lean towards yes.

If I was hell bent on taking my eye off the ball, and looking for an impact defender first, the most I would do is burn a couple 3RP to move up for Mason Graham or Abdul Carter.

Garrett is on a value deal for the next two seasons. Not cumbersome at all to build around him.

I'd happily take him on his current contract or pay him a market contract if he were a FA. But with the draft capital you'd likely need to trade to get him, I think it just leaves the Bears too shorthanded. But I get it - Garrett is freak of nature.

My best guess is, you’re not giving up a boatload of draft picks without extending him. It’s a real ill advised path to take for a 5 win team to keep sacrificing youth and money into old players imo.

[fleet]

"Our best pass rusher by a mile" is damning with faint praise, though. He had 5.5 sacks this season.

5.5 sacks, and 5 wins. That is nothing in return. The whole point of these deals that sacrifice the long run for the short run is to get better in the short run. We are literally regressing.

I disagreed that it is nothing. I expect a huge turnaround for Montez in 2025.

Nothing so far. Montez’ biological clock is ticking. Second round pick and $100 million dollars. Not a lot of bang for your outlay even if.

[nomorezorro]

Garrett is on a value deal for the next two seasons. Not cumbersome at all to build around him.

superstar players are famously content to play out the last few years of their value contracts, especially as they approach age 30, and especially when they get the leverage that's created when a team gives up significant draft assets to acquire them

[fleet]

^ All the time.

Breaking news! The Bears are acquiring Garrett.


Hey, this guy might be the best ever, yet relative to the rest of the staff, surprisingly anonymous.

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[fleet]

I heard on the radio that Ryan Poles got extended. Contract length matches that of Johnson.

It was strange, Warren said something like "as you know, we don't talk about salaries" or something like that. That sounds dumb. It isn't like a GM's contract length is some state secret, and everyone knows every detail about a coaches salary. And in the end, it will come out anyway. But in the end, there is "alignment", so that is good. I do wonder how much it was discussed in the interview process?

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10153312-report-bears-ryan-poles-expected-to-get-new-contract-to-align-with-hc-ben-johnson

I want to believe Ben Johnson really wanted this to happen instead of something else weird. It’s weird though.

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[TheSuzerain]

Garrett is on a value deal for the next two seasons. Not cumbersome at all to build around him.

superstar players are famously content to play out the last few years of their value contracts, especially as they approach age 30, and especially when they get the leverage that's created when a team gives up significant draft assets to acquire them

Of course you negotiate/extend. But those value years improve your leverage to do so.

Garrett has shown no indication of being a malcontent either.

[Dresden]

We did get something in return- we got Montez Sweat, currently our best pass rusher by a mile.

"Our best pass rusher by a mile" is damning with faint praise, though. He had 5.5 sacks this season.

5.5 sacks, and 5 wins. That is nothing in return. The whole point of these deals that sacrifice the long run for the short run is to get better in the short run. We are literally regressing.

And the year before he had 6 in 9 games.

[Ben Wilson25]

https://www.theringer.com/2025/02/04/nfl/nfl-play-calling-network-andy-reid-sean-mcvay-kyle-shanahan-hiring-cycle
Interesting article on the origins and lineage of the McVay/Shanahan offenses and coaching trees and the rise of play-caller head coaches. Towards the end is a section on Ben Johnson and how he might be the next evolution of the tree.

The end result of those different strands of the West Coast offense coming into contact with outside systems might just be Ben Johnson. Johnson learned the Holmgren and Mike McCarthy side of the West Coast offense through Joe Philbin and Mike Sherman, parts of Peyton Manning’s spread passing offense by working with Adam Gase, and some of Payton’s offense by working with Dan Campbell the past few seasons. He’s taken his vast exposure to different offenses and distilled it in ways that maximize the talent at his disposal without putting too much on his quarterback’s plate. In the run game, Johnson’s menu has been complete with gap and zone running schemes, which featured Detroit’s offensive line as one of the best units in the league.

[dice]

Garrett is on a value deal for the next two seasons. Not cumbersome at all to build around him.

the more value, the more that must be traded to acquire, thus less assets with which to build around. there's no free lunch. just because he requested a trade doesn't mean there will be a fire sale

these kinds of trades are simply not worthwhile unless needed in a short contention window. this would be a ryan pace special (bad team, highly drafted QB coming off disappointing rookie season, available stud EDGE)

plus, garrett specifically is requesting at minimum a path to quick contention. would he see that here?

[dice]

I heard on the radio that Ryan Poles got extended. Contract length matches that of Johnson.

It was strange, Warren said something like "as you know, we don't talk about salaries" or something like that. That sounds dumb. It isn't like a GM's contract length is some state secret, and everyone knows every detail about a coaches salary. And in the end, it will come out anyway. But in the end, there is "alignment", so that is good. I do wonder how much it was discussed in the interview process?

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10153312-report-bears-ryan-poles-expected-to-get-new-contract-to-align-with-hc-ben-johnson

I want to believe Ben Johnson really wanted this to happen instead of something else weird. It’s weird though.

i heard BJ said something about being in total lockstep w/ poles going forward. i hope that means he has good GM ability himself and poles will be his puppet

[dice]

5.5 sacks, and 5 wins. That is nothing in return. The whole point of these deals that sacrifice the long run for the short run is to get better in the short run. We are literally regressing.

I disagreed that it is nothing. I expect a huge turnaround for Montez in 2025.

Nothing so far. Montez’ biological clock is ticking. Second round pick and $100 million dollars. Not a lot of bang for your outlay even if.

not to mention the pick we gave up, which was used to take a stud corner who helped transform the eagles defense overnight and get them back to the super bowl. speaking of which...

-2 picks given up for trubisky turned into kamara and fred warner...w/ mahomes sitting there for the taking
-a pick given up for khalil turned into jacobs

[chitowndish]

It's kind of hard for me to put into words how little I care about that defensive line when our offensive line is an absolute dumpster fire and the QB that is supposed to be the future of this franchise is getting buried under a record number of sacks. I don't trade 3 picks for a defensive lineman, I don't assume that some guy we sign to our offensive line is going to fix things because Nate Davis happened. I sign guys this year to fix that offensive line, I draft guys this year to fix that offensive line and I have absolutely no problem fixing that defensive line next year. If we walk into next season with a trash offensive line again I'm just fkn done I can't watch that crap anymore.

[fleet]

Shemar Stewart is a guy that will possibly shoot up the mocks through the combine. For the Bears, he is basically Allen’s wet dream type of athlete on the D line

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[molepharmer]

Shemar Stewart is a guy that will possibly shoot up the mocks through the combine. For the Bears, he is basically Allen’s wet dream type of athlete on the D line

Watch on YouTube

Unless a team prefers the much bigger DE like Stewart, there's not a lot of room to move up in the draft. The nflmockdatabase has him at #23, just behind Booker (Ala, IOL) who's another favorite for the Bears. Booker is currently the 4th O-lineman listed behind Banks, Campbell and J Simmons.

Stewart seems to solidly hold the 4th, 5th or 6th place in DE/Edges behind the smaller, quicker types A Carter, J Pierce, and then depending upon evaluator M Williams, M Green, N Scourton and J Walker. If a team sees Stewart as more of an interior D-lineman, then he's only the third one behind Graham and Grant (at #19) and possibly could go before Grant.

[Betta Bulleavit]

I heard on the radio that Ryan Poles got extended. Contract length matches that of Johnson.

It was strange, Warren said something like "as you know, we don't talk about salaries" or something like that. That sounds dumb. It isn't like a GM's contract length is some state secret, and everyone knows every detail about a coaches salary. And in the end, it will come out anyway. But in the end, there is "alignment", so that is good. I do wonder how much it was discussed in the interview process?

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10153312-report-bears-ryan-poles-expected-to-get-new-contract-to-align-with-hc-ben-johnson

I want to believe Ben Johnson really wanted this to happen instead of something else weird. It’s weird though.

Read on Twitter

I’d venture to say that not only is this likely something that Johnson wanted, but that there’s a solid chance that Johnson is here due in large part to Poles. While it may not exactly be the most popular of possibilities, I think that the broader perception of Poles is more positive than that of our local guys.

[fleet]

Shemar Stewart is a guy that will possibly shoot up the mocks through the combine. For the Bears, he is basically Allen’s wet dream type of athlete on the D line

Watch on YouTube

Unless a team prefers the much bigger DE like Stewart, there's not a lot of room to move up in the draft. The nflmockdatabase has him at #23, just behind Booker (Ala, IOL) who's another favorite for the Bears. Booker is currently the 4th O-lineman listed behind Banks, Campbell and J Simmons.

Stewart seems to solidly hold the 4th, 5th or 6th place in DE/Edges behind the smaller, quicker types A Carter, J Pierce, and then depending upon evaluator M Williams, M Green, N Scourton and J Walker. If a team sees Stewart as more of an interior D-lineman, then he's only the third one behind Graham and Grant (at #19) and possibly could go before Grant.

The Bears are that team though that likes the big edge guys. He’s bigger than both Sweat and Garrett I believe, and I think more athletic than Sweat. He has potential to mirror Sweat on the opposite side. If ifs and buts were candies and nuts…..if Stewart was able to get home on a number of those pressures, he may already be in the top 10. He’s going to test well at the combine. He seems like a wild colt. If coaches feel like they can coach him into finishing on his pass rushes, someone may fall in love. He will definitely set the edge. But as they say, sometimes guys that get a lot of pressures are virtually as good.
https://www.rotoballer.com/player-news/shemar-stewart-wows-scouts-at-senior-bowl/1550946

[panthermark]

I heard on the radio that Ryan Poles got extended. Contract length matches that of Johnson.

It was strange, Warren said something like "as you know, we don't talk about salaries" or something like that. That sounds dumb. It isn't like a GM's contract length is some state secret, and everyone knows every detail about a coaches salary. And in the end, it will come out anyway. But in the end, there is "alignment", so that is good. I do wonder how much it was discussed in the interview process?

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10153312-report-bears-ryan-poles-expected-to-get-new-contract-to-align-with-hc-ben-johnson

I want to believe Ben Johnson really wanted this to happen instead of something else weird. It’s weird though.

Read on Twitter

I’d venture to say that not only is this likely something that Johnson wanted, but that there’s a solid chance that Johnson is here due in large part to Poles. While it may not exactly be the most popular of possibilities, I think that the broader perception of Poles is more positive than that of our local guys.

It would say BJ is here probably due to CW, but to be fair, Poles did draft CW.