Josh Giddey Thread 2.0

[dougthonus]

I agree with all of that. If the Bulls get up to 25m and offer a PO (whether 4 or 5 years) I think Giddey will take it. Personally, I wouldn't want the 5 year scenario if I were him. He has an upside that would make him significantly more than that. I understand he also has a risk factor. If I am him I roll those dice if the Bulls insist on control for 4 full seasons. But, like you, I have no idea what Giddey's risk tolerance is. The fact that he asked for 30m, hasn't budged to date, and has taken actions (not attending summer league as an example) and expressed frustration hints that if he doesn't get what he considers a reasonable deal he might be willing to take a risk. But it could also all be a negotiating tactic.

Worth noting that all the negotiating is likely between Giddey's agent and the Bulls, both sides are likely in the "no reason to give an inch now, because it means i give another inch later" mode. I don't think you can really read a whole lot into the negotiation to date one way or the other, because after not reaching an initial agreement, there is no incentive for either side to do anything now.

[Evil_Headband]

So as of 17 hours ago Jake Fischer is reporting that GSW have expressed an interest in Giddey. Anyone know how reliable this Fischer guy has been?

Giddey has an Aussie friend he works out with who GSW have (I believe) control over and are expected to sign. They also have another Aussie player. Knowing this front office, the Bulls will end up with Kuminga and Giddey will head to Golden State. They will pay Kuminga 20 mil, and will lose Giddey due to stubborness over 4 or 5 million per. That would be an AKME move.

Fischer certainly has contacts. However, I think this is more just some teams doing their due diligence and checking in with Giddey's camp. Nothing will come from this.

[Indomitable]

So as of 17 hours ago Jake Fischer is reporting that GSW have expressed an interest in Giddey. Anyone know how reliable this Fischer guy has been?

Giddey has an Aussie friend he works out with who GSW have (I believe) control over and are expected to sign. They also have another Aussie player. Knowing this front office, the Bulls will end up with Kuminga and Giddey will head to Golden State. They will pay Kuminga 20 mil, and will lose Giddey due to stubborness over 4 or 5 million per. That would be an AKME move.

The Bulls could sign Giddey and get Kuminga with cap space next year. If we want Kuminga.

This is just nonsense. All of this Warriors nonsense.

[nomorezorro]

So as of 17 hours ago Jake Fischer is reporting that GSW have expressed an interest in Giddey. Anyone know how reliable this Fischer guy has been?

he is reliable in that he has accurately broken/reported news before, so he is obviously plugged into league circles to some extent

he is not necessarily someone you should put a ton of stock into for a few reasons. one is that he reports a lot of rumors, most of which don't actually come to fruition. second is that he seems to be less plugged in than he used to, to the point he's had a few straight-up inaccurate reports on stuff like draft picks and signings in the past couple of years.

and finally, there are different levels to the stuff he's reporting. at this point in his career, the soundest/biggest scoops will either be posted to his joint substack with marc spears (which he did with most of his draft/FA rumors this offseason) or straight to his social media accounts (which he's done with breaking transaction news like free agency signings). stuff that is less substantive is used as content on bleacher report, particularly his bleacher report livestreams, which are usually some combination of news he's already broken on other platforms + "rumblings"/other shakier scuttlebutt that he didn't see fit to formally write up as part of his own paywalled scoopster content.

the "gsw is interested in giddey" report was part of a b/r livestream, which is one of the reasons i don't think anyone should put much stock in it at all. if there was serious action around gsw pursuing giddey, he would have written it up on his own paid platform instead of casually putting it out there for free and letting it get blown up by other aggregators.

[sco]

So as of 17 hours ago Jake Fischer is reporting that GSW have expressed an interest in Giddey. Anyone know how reliable this Fischer guy has been?

he is reliable in that he has accurately broken/reported news before, so he is obviously plugged into league circles to some extent

he is not necessarily someone you should put a ton of stock into for a few reasons. one is that he reports a lot of rumors, most of which don't actually come to fruition. second is that he seems to be less plugged in than he used to, to the point he's had a few straight-up inaccurate reports on stuff like draft picks and signings in the past couple of years.

and finally, there are different levels to the stuff he's reporting. at this point in his career, the soundest/biggest scoops will either be posted to his joint substack with marc spears (which he did with most of his draft/FA rumors this offseason) or straight to his social media accounts (which he's done with breaking transaction news like free agency signings). stuff that is less substantive is used as content on bleacher report, particularly his bleacher report livestreams, which are usually some combination of news he's already broken on other platforms + "rumblings"/other shakier scuttlebutt that he didn't see fit to formally write up as part of his own paywalled scoopster content.

the "gsw is interested in giddey" report was part of a b/r livestream, which is one of the reasons i don't think anyone should put much stock in it at all. if there was serious action around gsw pursuing giddey, he would have written it up on his own paid platform instead of casually putting it out there for free and letting it get blown up by other aggregators.

what's the link to his substack?

[nomorezorro]

https://marcstein.substack.com/

looking now i guess fischer hasn't posted anything there in a few weeks, but when the draft/FA was in full swing, he was doing regular rumor dumps there

[Stratmaster]

So as of 17 hours ago Jake Fischer is reporting that GSW have expressed an interest in Giddey. Anyone know how reliable this Fischer guy has been?

Giddey has an Aussie friend he works out with who GSW have (I believe) control over and are expected to sign. They also have another Aussie player. Knowing this front office, the Bulls will end up with Kuminga and Giddey will head to Golden State. They will pay Kuminga 20 mil, and will lose Giddey due to stubborness over 4 or 5 million per. That would be an AKME move.

The Bulls could sign Giddey and get Kuminga with cap space next year. If we want Kuminga.

This is just nonsense. All of this Warriors nonsense.

Sure they could. If Giddey is willing to sign at a price the Bulls are willing to pay. They made it a point to mention the other Aussie players on GSW, one of whom is a friend and workout partner of Giddey.

But my comment was more a snide remark about the Bulls front office than it was any belief that it will happen.

[Stratmaster]

https://marcstein.substack.com/

looking now i guess fischer hasn't posted anything there in a few weeks, but when the draft/FA was in full swing, he was doing regular rumor dumps there

He must have heard you. He posted free agency updates today, but it is only available to paid subscribers.

[Stratmaster]

Looks like Fischer has reported that "multiple teams" have reached out to the Bulls, but he can only name GSW. SI is now speculating that Sacramento is one of those teams but unlike Fischer is not stating any sources have told them that. Would be interesting to know if the Bulls are simply rejecting any sign and trade offers, or are actually open to moving Giddey.

And then there is this:

"There is already buzz of Coby White wanting even higher than that $30 million average annual figure we keep talking about, so that’s another piece of the puzzle Chicago is considering as well, being that they have a lot of money that they are going to have to be shelling out to another player in their backcourt very soon."
NBA insider Jake Fischer

[DuckIII]

SI is now speculating that Sacramento is one of those teams but unlike Fischer is not stating any sources have told them that.

I want the Bulls to sign Giddey and make him the offensive engine for this team. I think it will be fun to watch.

But if he were to be signed and traded, sending him in yet another deal with the Kings would be my preference simply due to the hilarity of it.

[Stratmaster]

SI is now speculating that Sacramento is one of those teams but unlike Fischer is not stating any sources have told them that.

I want the Bulls to sign Giddey and make him the offensive engine for this team. I think it will be fun to watch.

But if he were to be signed and traded, sending him in yet another deal with the Kings would be my preference simply due to the hilarity of it.

I thought the exact same thing!

[Almost Retired]

If they don't resign Giddey my interest level in the Bulls going forward will go from lukewarm to absolute zero (- 459.67 degrees)

[MrSparkle]

IMO, GS (and other teams) will be like… wait a minute, Bulls are hard-balling 60/3 for Giddey? Let’s get their agent interested in a 75/3 or 100/4 deal. At their age, Curry and Jimmy (and Dray) will take all the help they can get. Giddey is definitively better than Kuminga.

I don’t see the Bulls being interested in a trade, but agents/players have numerous times shown to be able to mitigate cap challenges and team rights.

[Dominator83]

Appearantly they're still "anchored" at 20? jesus thats only $2 mill more per than they gave Patrick without any resistance

I get being conservative and not going over 25 per, but this is downright insulting

[meekrab]

Appearantly they're still "anchored" at 20? jesus thats only $2 mill more per than they gave Patrick without any resistance

I get being conservative and not going over 25 per, but this is downright insulting

If they don't resign Giddey my interest level in the Bulls going forward will go from lukewarm to absolute zero (- 459.67 degrees)

Seriously they need to make some progress here soon, it's getting ridiculous.

[Chi town]

4/80 for Giddey sounds like out of touch AK. Haven’t heard anything about Giddey’s camp moving off of 30M either.

Think it ends at 25 per

[meekrab]

4/80 for Giddey sounds like out of touch AK. Haven’t heard anything about Giddey’s camp moving off of 30M either.

Think it ends at 25 per

At this point I'm thinking Giddey won't move off 25 starting, with 8% raises. AK been screwing around like a dumbass. Like yeah you don't have to give in to the player's demand in a low salary cap summer but you can't insult the guy.

[Chi town]

4/80 for Giddey sounds like out of touch AK. Haven’t heard anything about Giddey’s camp moving off of 30M either.

Think it ends at 25 per

At this point I'm thinking Giddey won't move off 25 starting, with 8% raises. AK been screwing around like a dumbass. Like yeah you don't have to give in to the player's demand in a low salary cap summer but you can't insult the guy.

Don’t forget execs polled came in 23AAV. I think AK is a total clown but it seems right now Giddey wouldn’t accept that number anyway so as of now it is best to hold firm.

[dougthonus]

4/80 for Giddey sounds like out of touch AK. Haven’t heard anything about Giddey’s camp moving off of 30M either.

Think it ends at 25 per

At this point I'm thinking Giddey won't move off 25 starting, with 8% raises. AK been screwing around like a dumbass. Like yeah you don't have to give in to the player's demand in a low salary cap summer but you can't insult the guy.

Don’t forget execs polled came in 23AAV. I think AK is a total clown but it seems right now Giddey wouldn’t accept that number anyway so as of now it is best to hold firm.

If you want to use that poll as evidence on his market value, 25 AAV was viewed as the most common answer, contracts are given out by the highest bidder not the average bidder. Beyond that, I believe they said 7 execs had him at 25M AAV, if it was a true open market and a few of those people were bidding, the bidding would likely exceed their initial marker of fair, and he'd probably get closer to his number of 30.

That said, 16 execs stating his fair market value isn't an indication that they would be interested in bidding on him at fair market value necessarily, but if I were to interpret the results of that poll, I'd say it would point to a FMV above 25M.

[Jstock12]

Not saying Giddey doesn't deserve more (I think he does), but just because they overpaid for PWill, doesn't mean that in other future negotiations they should keep making that mistake and paying every player who's better than PWill more money than him. Just seems like a logical fallacy.