Melo 15: The End Is Nigh

Post #1521 » by **Rerisen** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 5:21 am

coldfish wrote:This Taj thing is taking on a life of its own and its based on assumptions and a few poorly sourced tweets.

If Taj is up for trade, then Melo back to NY solely for the money looks incredibly selfish.

Considering moving Taj would allow us to start Melo at the 4yr max and he is only losing about 2m a year vs NY, a lot of which is made up by tax difference.

Which case he'd really only be losing the 5th guaranteed year which he stands to make in large part down the line regardless.

I don't know if we can say 100% we went all the way. I'm sure it will come out eventually though.

Morrison71 · Post #1522 » by **Morrison71** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 5:21 am

mrlancers wrote:That Wade gif somehow gets funnier each time it loops.

I think Melo takes that Knicks contract. Can't knock him for that. That's guaranteed money. We can talk about winning and all that rubbish, but it always comes down to money. Knicks are desperate. He is all they have. We still have a couple of other routes to go (Love or Mirotic/depth).

I'm not discouraged or even mad. Bulls are still in a good place and everyone in the organization from the players to the coach understands the front office is sincerely trying to do something. It's gonna be okay if Melo takes that deal.

WE can talk about winning until the cows come home but Melo has said it's all about winning. Just have to see if he was telling the truth or not.

Magilla_Gorilla · Post #1523 » by **Magilla_Gorilla** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 5:22 am

IndianPlaya17 wrote:How are the Bulls so quiet? This has me thinking if something is up or they know something. If they knew Melo wasn't coming to the Bulls wouldn't they start on the contingency plans?!

Melo and Pau...thats it?

The Bulls are always quiet - whether they're making moves or not.

WinCity · Post #1524 » by **WinCity** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 5:23 am

PJ Brown wrote:
Rerisen wrote:
coldfish wrote:I know a lot of people will be horrified at these thoughts. The idea that superstars win has a lot of historical backing behind it. The quandry is: What do you do if you can't get them? Do you give up?

Apparently, you keep raking in profits and quoting 'flexibility' while signing carryovers as you keep endlessly trying for those superstars.

Building a very expensive depth team in the 'hope' that it wins doesn't seem to jive with this ownerships method of operation.

Proven winning, or dominance on paper at the least, comes first here, then the money.

Making the team as good as possible with a combination of younger players like McDermott/Mirotic and/or plug-in vets on short-term deals can help you maximize what you have without killing future flexibility just because you're frustrated. There will be other free agents. Committing to the wrong guy just because you're tired of striking out on the right guy won't be the right path.

I think the point is to get off the free agent treadmill all together. Time to seek other ways of building.

If we miss out again this summer its either because :

A. GarPax suck at selling Chicago
B. Chicago is viewed as much less desirable than we all think it should be
C. Both

Post #1525 » by **Jeff Van Gully** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 5:24 am

money makin' mitch...

you might want to stay here. there may or may not be a shank waiting for you back at the knicks cell block.

IndianPlaya17 · Post #1526 » by **IndianPlaya17** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 5:24 am

Maybe the Bulls are talking to Melo and keeping it close to the vest so the media doesn't get hold of it? It's quite possible.

waffle · Post #1527 » by **waffle** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 5:25 am

he'll weenie out and go back to NYK saying something EERILY similar to the following; "phil really sold me on his vision and my role in it. I believe he has the vision and strategy to make the NYK's a consistent contender sooner rather than later".

Then he will giggle like a girl throw his arms in the air and run off yelling "and I'm RICH, RICH I SAY.... BWAAAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!"

ah7007645 · Post #1528 » by **ah7007645** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 5:26 am

I'm in no favor of gutting this team but there comes a point that this organization just has to start taking some serious risks. There is really no other option, unless we want to get stuck with playoff disappointment over and over again.

mrlancers · Post #1529 » by **mrlancers** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 5:26 am

Morrison71 wrote:WE can talk about winning until the cows come home but Melo has said it's all about winning. Just have to see if he was telling the truth or not.

I'm sure he'll rationalize taking the money by saying he believes in Phil's plans to win.

Tenchi Ryu · Post #1530 » by **Tenchi Ryu** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 5:26 am

Ron Mexico wrote:money makin' mitch...

you might want to stay here. there may or may not be a shank waiting for you back at the knicks cell block.

TyrusRose2425 · Post #1531 » by **TyrusRose2425** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 5:26 am

Ron Mexico wrote:money makin' mitch...

you might want to stay here. there may or may not be a shank waiting for you back at the knicks cell block.

Mitch belongs on a message board with champions anyways

DerrickRose025 · Post #1532 » by **DerrickRose025** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 5:27 am

Magilla_Gorilla wrote:
IndianPlaya17 wrote:How are the Bulls so quiet? This has me thinking if something is up or they know something. If they knew Melo wasn't coming to the Bulls wouldn't they start on the contingency plans?!

Melo and Pau...thats it?

The Bulls are always quiet - whether they're making moves or not.

Problem with the Bulls is they never can finish the deal and make that 1 bold big move because Gar and Pax value there johnny try hards to much I mean if the Rockets gm was the bulls gm is there any doubt he would have landed a big name for the bulls at some point?

Post #1533 » by **Rerisen** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 5:27 am

Red Larrivee wrote:http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-bulls-carmelo-anthony-pau-gasol-spt-0704-20140704,0,5321454.story
Two days removed from the high of their well-received pitch to Anthony in Chicago, the Bulls continued to grasp the long odds regarding acquiring Anthony, who also met with Knicks President Phil Jackson and coach Derek Fisher later Thursday in Los Angeles.

A Yahoo Sports report stated Anthony also planned to reach out to Gasol to discuss him joining the Knicks, another in a growing set of signs that Anthony may re-up in New York. Joakim Noah, intimately involved in the Bulls' pitch to Anthony, has told several people he believes Anthony will re-sign with the Knicks.

Why are we sending Noah to recruit Gasol if he loves Taj so much.

He wants to help bring a guy that would diminish Taj to the bench again just like Boozer?

Would think Noah and the Bulls both are finally ready to see what Noah/Taj can do starting fulltime together, and get some scoring in the backcourt.

WinCity · Post #1534 » by **WinCity** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 5:29 am

Rerisen wrote:
Red Larrivee wrote:http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-bulls-carmelo-anthony-pau-gasol-spt-0704-20140704,0,5321454.story
Two days removed from the high of their well-received pitch to Anthony in Chicago, the Bulls continued to grasp the long odds regarding acquiring Anthony, who also met with Knicks President Phil Jackson and coach Derek Fisher later Thursday in Los Angeles.

A Yahoo Sports report stated Anthony also planned to reach out to Gasol to discuss him joining the Knicks, another in a growing set of signs that Anthony may re-up in New York. Joakim Noah, intimately involved in the Bulls' pitch to Anthony, has told several people he believes Anthony will re-sign with the Knicks.

Why are we sending Noah to recruit Gasol if he loves Taj so much.

He wants to help bring a guy that would diminish Taj to the bench again just like Boozer?

Would think Noah and the Bulls both are finally ready to see what Noah/Taj can do starting fulltime together, and get some scoring in the backcourt.

Perhaps he is going to the backup 4/5?

NecessaryEvil · Post #1535 » by **NecessaryEvil** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 5:29 am

DerrickRose025 wrote:
Magilla_Gorilla wrote:
IndianPlaya17 wrote:How are the Bulls so quiet? This has me thinking if something is up or they know something. If they knew Melo wasn't coming to the Bulls wouldn't they start on the contingency plans?!

Melo and Pau...thats it?

The Bulls are always quiet - whether they're making moves or not.

Problem with the Bulls is they never can finish the deal and make that 1 bold big move because Gar and Pax value there johnny try hards to much I mean if the Rockets gm was the bulls gm is there any doubt he would have landed a big name for the bulls at some point?

I'd trade Pax, Gar & Jerry for Daryl Morey...

DerrickRose025 · Post #1536 » by **DerrickRose025** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 5:29 am

I mean if the Bulls cant Land Melo they are again stuck where no team wants to be stuck basketball hell not bad enough to get a top draft pick and not good enough to win a championship

cbjackson7 · Post #1537 » by **cbjackson7** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 5:30 am

Sums up the board today.

CalilLove89 · Post #1538 » by **CalilLove89** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 5:30 am

Rerisen wrote:
Red Larrivee wrote:http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-bulls-carmelo-anthony-pau-gasol-spt-0704-20140704,0,5321454.story
Two days removed from the high of their well-received pitch to Anthony in Chicago, the Bulls continued to grasp the long odds regarding acquiring Anthony, who also met with Knicks President Phil Jackson and coach Derek Fisher later Thursday in Los Angeles.

A Yahoo Sports report stated Anthony also planned to reach out to Gasol to discuss him joining the Knicks, another in a growing set of signs that Anthony may re-up in New York. Joakim Noah, intimately involved in the Bulls' pitch to Anthony, has told several people he believes Anthony will re-sign with the Knicks.

Why are we sending Noah to recruit Gasol if he loves Taj so much.

He wants to help bring a guy that would diminish Taj to the bench again just like Boozer?

Would think Noah and the Bulls both are finally ready to see what Noah/Taj can do starting fulltime together, and get some scoring in the backcourt.

Gasol would be the bumslayer, and fourth quarter closer. That is the role I see him taking, but we are probably going to strike out with him too.

MoneyMitch · Post #1539 » by **MoneyMitch** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 5:30 am

I'm about to be on some real killer sh*t A

Any niqqa whoever said some jealous sh*t

Any niqqa whoever looked at me funny man

Cause he don't deserve that B, that's my lil man A

I need those keys A, cause I gotta get Sonny back B

Magilla_Gorilla · Post #1540 » by **Magilla_Gorilla** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 5:31 am

DerrickRose025 wrote:I mean if the Bulls cant Land Melo they are again stuck where no team wants to be stuck basketball hell not bad enough to get a top draft pick and not good enough to win a championship

Oh please. A healthy Bulls team was winning 60 games and on its way to back-to-back ECF. That's hardly basketball hell.

How confident fans are that we will sign Melo?