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The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall.

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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#1521 » by sco » Sat Dec 5, 2020 8:12 pm

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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#1522 » by ZOMG » Sat Dec 5, 2020 10:46 pm

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OK, I want to keep Thad again.


Thad sounds like he knows PWill won't take his minutes.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#1523 » by fleet » Sun Dec 6, 2020 1:38 am

ZOMG wrote:
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OK, I want to keep Thad again.


Thad sounds like he knows PWill won't take his minutes.


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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#1524 » by MrFortune3 » Sun Dec 6, 2020 6:14 am

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Pat Will seems yo want to do well and has all the charateristics to max his ability. To me the only concern I have about maxing out his talent is if he will defer too much in the long run... however he seems to have a chance to be really good and seems to be a great team player.


His offensive game will be the most interesting thing to watch in terms of his development. He's so raw and has so much potential, especially with being a former PG.

I think the word "potential" is key. He's 19, and still hasn't realized that aspect of his game in any meaningful sense. Could it happen? Sure. Have we been tantalized by potential in guys like Tyrus, Dunn and Lauri, that didn't materialize? I still have the scars. Just saying, I'll believe it when I see it. And to be fair, these are young guys in the biggest candy store in the world, it takes a level of motivation, very few have to continue to work as hard as you can when you are rich and the world loves you. I feel like if you don't learn the skill of work ethic on your rookie deal, you almost never do in the NBA.


I hated that deal. I was excited as hell when we took
Aldridge. Only trade that pissed me off more was Nurkic and Harris for McDermott. The exact 2 players I wanted at those picks traded for the 1 player I hated most in that draft.

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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#1525 » by 23-7 » Sun Dec 6, 2020 11:56 am

What about a Josh Smith comparison? Not exactly same player but size and strengths are similar and age. I wouldn't mind Josh Smith in this draft.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#1526 » by CjayC » Sun Dec 6, 2020 5:35 pm

23-7 wrote:What about a Josh Smith comparison? Not exactly same player but size and strengths are similar and age. I wouldn't mind Josh Smith in this draft.


I know you said not exactly the same player, but gross. Smith's B-ball IQ was terrible. I guess from a run & jump, body style comparison I can see it. I think Williams is the better runner, Smith is the better jumper. I think Williams projects to be a better ballhandler too. We shall see.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#1527 » by AshyLarrysDiaper » Sun Dec 6, 2020 5:44 pm

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23-7 wrote:What about a Josh Smith comparison? Not exactly same player but size and strengths are similar and age. I wouldn't mind Josh Smith in this draft.


I know you said not exactly the same player, but gross. Smith's B-ball IQ was terrible. I guess from a run & jump, body style comparison I can see it. I think Williams is the better runner, Smith is the better jumper. I think Williams projects to be a better ballhandler too. We shall see.


I give the running edge to Smith. Williams was a surprisingly bad transition player by the numbers at FSU. Granted, that probably has as much to do with his finishing in those situations, but he doesn’t look all that fast in the open court to me.

Shooting and IQ are where I think Williams has Smith beat. Athletically, Smith has him in nearly every aspect.
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Post#1528 » by Butler4thewin » Sun Dec 6, 2020 5:48 pm

so lebron and pat have the same height out of the draft and samd age lebron has a longer wingspan and was heavier from what i see ....is there verticals ? and other workout stuff we could check out i cant seem to find them .....also any chance pat can pull a giannis and grow 2 more inches on us ?
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Post#1529 » by CjayC » Sun Dec 6, 2020 5:58 pm

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23-7 wrote:What about a Josh Smith comparison? Not exactly same player but size and strengths are similar and age. I wouldn't mind Josh Smith in this draft.


I know you said not exactly the same player, but gross. Smith's B-ball IQ was terrible. I guess from a run & jump, body style comparison I can see it. I think Williams is the better runner, Smith is the better jumper. I think Williams projects to be a better ballhandler too. We shall see.


I give the running edge to Smith. Williams was a surprisingly bad transition player by the numbers at FSU. Granted, that probably has as much to do with his finishing in those situations, but he doesn’t look all that fast in the open court to me.

Shooting and IQ are where I think Williams has Smith beat. Athletically, Smith has him in nearly every aspect.


Yeah I can buy this. It's been a while since I've seen Smith. He stuck around the NBA for a while, it certainly wasn't because of a polished jumper or absurdly high basketball smarts.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#1530 » by sco » Sun Dec 6, 2020 6:02 pm

Butler4thewin wrote:so lebron and pat have the same height out of the draft and samd age lebron has a longer wingspan and was heavier from what i see ....is there verticals ? and other workout stuff we could check out i cant seem to find them .....also any chance pat can pull a giannis and grow 2 more inches on us ?

Yeah...if we're reaching on comps, let's go with LBJ as his ceiling. 8-)
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#1531 » by khufure » Sun Dec 6, 2020 6:25 pm

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Butler4thewin wrote:so lebron and pat have the same height out of the draft and samd age lebron has a longer wingspan and was heavier from what i see ....is there verticals ? and other workout stuff we could check out i cant seem to find them .....also any chance pat can pull a giannis and grow 2 more inches on us ?

Yeah...if we're reaching on comps, let's go with LBJ as his ceiling. 8-)

He's a taller Jordan but quicker than Lebron?
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#1532 » by kodo » Sun Dec 6, 2020 7:16 pm

Josh Smith had explosive athleticism + low IQ & zero skills, which is pretty different than Williams I think. Josh Smith was in the NBA for the same reason Jordan Bell is (was?) in the NBA, he jumps real good. It ends there. He had no guard skills at all. Josh Smith's career average from 15' was 26%, and he was so comical trying to make plays it was a running meme in his career.

Williams has very strong skill indicators with an 84% FT rate and an 89th percentile P&R performance. Athletically, I think he's not explosive at all like Smith was and tends to play slower and read the floor instead of just doing the 1st thing that pops into his head.

In a lot of ways, Williams' potential strong points are similar to what people wanted Deni to be. A switchable forward, good defensively, secondary playmaker, shooter.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#1533 » by StunnerKO » Sun Dec 6, 2020 8:04 pm

Found the guy Lmaoo

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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#1534 » by DASMACKDOWN » Sun Dec 6, 2020 8:04 pm

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Here's a great pic of Williams trying to guard laterally on the perimeter:

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That's how he looked in college as well. Having to resort to these side sprints, can't get low and move laterally. IMO, as he is now, he's gonna be a disaster trying to guard NBA 3's on the perimeter. It all ties into him not getting a lot of PT this season. He needs work.


Am I taking crazy pills or what? :lol:

That is not Pat Will on Lavine. The beard doesn't connect the same, and Pat Will looks a lil lighter than buddy. Also could be the angle, but I don't see the blonde patch.


LOL :lol: :lol: :lol: Oh s**t.

I have to admit I did a kind of double take myself when I linked that photo... "man, he looks like he's 30... is that really Williams?" but I couldn't figure who else it could be.

Any ideas? :lol:


We finally have our answer :D

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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#1535 » by ZOMG » Sun Dec 6, 2020 8:15 pm

I'm dying over here. :lol:

Love how they're announcing all these signings as if they mean something. This has really been an offseason for the ages.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#1536 » by Bankshot » Sun Dec 6, 2020 8:20 pm

ZOMG even though I have been a Real GM member since 2006 I have never blocked anyone, can you as a frequent poster explain how to do it?

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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#1537 » by ZOMG » Sun Dec 6, 2020 8:27 pm

Bankshot wrote:ZOMG even though I have been a Real GM member since 2006 I have never blocked anyone, can you as a frequent poster explain how to do it?

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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#1538 » by fleet » Sun Dec 6, 2020 8:43 pm

StunnerKO wrote:Found the guy Lmaoo

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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#1539 » by Repeat 3-peat » Sun Dec 6, 2020 11:13 pm

StunnerKO wrote:Found the guy Lmaoo

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He started to play well for the WCB before the season was cancelled.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#1540 » by Butler4thewin » Mon Dec 7, 2020 12:33 am

sco wrote:
Butler4thewin wrote:so lebron and pat have the same height out of the draft and samd age lebron has a longer wingspan and was heavier from what i see ....is there verticals ? and other workout stuff we could check out i cant seem to find them .....also any chance pat can pull a giannis and grow 2 more inches on us ?

Yeah...if we're reaching on comps, let's go with LBJ as his ceiling. 8-)

im just interested in seeing there verticals and other measurables and seeing how similar they are in that aspect i understand lbj was a far superior athlete when it comes to athleticism but i remember him being super scronny in his rookie year like if he was fresh off a growth spurt

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