Bears 2023 thread V

[nitetrain8603]

Is the NFL that vertical though? What I see are teams using a lot of WR screens and other short passing plays, and then counting on YAC. The 49'ers certainly play that way. Kittles, CMAC and Deebo are all very hard to bring down. I think a TE that is going to be very hard for a LB to cover, and who you need to gang tackle, and who can outrun a lot of people can be a big factor. Similar to what we see from Kittle in SF.

You see what happened to Kelce once he didn't have receivers who can catch consistently. Kelce looked a whole lot better with Hill causing mayhem. So did Mahomes. Kelce has been inconsistent all of this year. Why? Because he can't beat S/DBs in coverage as with every other TE.

And, perhaps my biggest point, YOU DO NOT NEED A TE, BUT SURELY NEED ANOTHER WR, EDGE RUSHER, OL, DL, S, CB.

Kelce is on pace for 1,256 receiving yards and 9 TDs. That would be the 6th best receiving season in Bears history.

Re: your ALLCAPS, if we're talking about a top ~8 pick, OL and WR are also valid targets, but in this year's draft, it does not appear to be a good spot for EDGE. You're not going to draft "DL" there given last year's investments (assuming this means a tackle) or a safety. The Bears do not need a corner if Johnson is coming back, so I have no idea why you'd be saying they SURELY should be targeting one.

Is the goal to be better than most folks in Bears receiving history? Because it's slightly better than their QB history. Not a shock since they're tied to one another. There's a reason why the statement is, that's where receivers go to die.

[madvillian]

bowers would be a fine pick if he delivers on what he’s made out to be, but i’m pretty wary of picking any TE that high - not because of positional value, but because talent evaluators don’t really seem to have a good grasp on how to grade TEs. feels like it has a lower round 1 hit rate than even QB

It is absolutely not worth a top 10 pick. The Detroit Lions have proven that a couple times. Having an elite TE is great, just like having an elite RB is great, but the first half the 1st round isn't the place to grab them.

[Almost Retired]

Is the NFL that vertical though? What I see are teams using a lot of WR screens and other short passing plays, and then counting on YAC. The 49'ers certainly play that way. Kittles, CMAC and Deebo are all very hard to bring down. I think a TE that is going to be very hard for a LB to cover, and who you need to gang tackle, and who can outrun a lot of people can be a big factor. Similar to what we see from Kittle in SF.

You see what happened to Kelce once he didn't have receivers who can catch consistently. Kelce looked a whole lot better with Hill causing mayhem. So did Mahomes. Kelce has been inconsistent all of this year. Why? Because he can't beat S/DBs in coverage as with every other TE.

And, perhaps my biggest point, YOU DO NOT NEED A TE, BUT SURELY NEED ANOTHER WR, EDGE RUSHER, OL, DL, S, CB.

I'm not saying that having good WR's is not important, or won't help your TE. But I thought your point was that TE's are not as valuable because they can't get vertical as well as a WR, and I just think that's a bit over-rated, given how plays are called these days. Not to mention that Bowers ran a 4.45, which is very close, if not equal to, a lot of WR's. So he will be a deep threat if you don't cover him with a safety, and even then, he's likely to have a size advantage. that's what's so special about Bowers- he's got the speed and athleticism of a WR in the body of a TE.

And while another WR would also be nice, I'm not so sure Mooney isn't just fine as a WR2. As far as taking one of the other positions, that's true, we could use all those things. But I think our biggest problems are on offense, so I would look to fix that first. And if Braxton is good enough at LT, then you can get a center or guard later in the draft.

But getting a TE that has the chance to be top 3 in the league is something they should consider.

Having Kmet and Bowers is like have a TE and a Hybrid. Bowers can still go vertical. But those opportunities are few and far between. Defenses are just too good. Kmet and Bowers would be solid chain movers. Deadly in the red zone where we are so weak. Chip blocking and release routes would be helpful to whoever our QB is going to be. Quick 8-10 yard pick ups. Move the chains. Dominate time of possession. It might not be spectacular but it can be effective. I'd be happy with Odunze also. He's my 2nd favorite receiver in the draft after MHJ.

[biggestbullsfan]

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[fleet]

^^^Poor choice of words, acting like a victim.

[nitetrain8603]

Score reporting that the Bears are surveying the southern lot of Soldier Field as a potential destination for their next stadium. That's pretty interesting.

[fleet]

Score reporting that the Bears are surveying the southern lot of Soldier Field as a potential destination for their next stadium. That's pretty interesting.

Indeed. New mayor, different attitude? They are striking out in the suburbs.

[Betta Bulleavit]

^^^Poor choice of words, acting like a victim.

Yeah, why bother reading the whole tweet even though the option was clearly there for you to do so??

[mack2354]

You see what happened to Kelce once he didn't have receivers who can catch consistently. Kelce looked a whole lot better with Hill causing mayhem. So did Mahomes. Kelce has been inconsistent all of this year. Why? Because he can't beat S/DBs in coverage as with every other TE.

And, perhaps my biggest point, YOU DO NOT NEED A TE, BUT SURELY NEED ANOTHER WR, EDGE RUSHER, OL, DL, S, CB.

I'm not saying that having good WR's is not important, or won't help your TE. But I thought your point was that TE's are not as valuable because they can't get vertical as well as a WR, and I just think that's a bit over-rated, given how plays are called these days. Not to mention that Bowers ran a 4.45, which is very close, if not equal to, a lot of WR's. So he will be a deep threat if you don't cover him with a safety, and even then, he's likely to have a size advantage. that's what's so special about Bowers- he's got the speed and athleticism of a WR in the body of a TE.

And while another WR would also be nice, I'm not so sure Mooney isn't just fine as a WR2. As far as taking one of the other positions, that's true, we could use all those things. But I think our biggest problems are on offense, so I would look to fix that first. And if Braxton is good enough at LT, then you can get a center or guard later in the draft.

But getting a TE that has the chance to be top 3 in the league is something they should consider.

Having Kmet and Bowers is like have a TE and a Hybrid. Bowers can still go vertical. But those opportunities are few and far between. Defenses are just too good. Kmet and Bowers would be solid chain movers. Deadly in the red zone where we are so weak. Chip blocking and release routes would be helpful to whoever our QB is going to be. Quick 8-10 yard pick ups. Move the chains. Dominate time of possession. It might not be spectacular but it can be effective. I'd be happy with Odunze also. He's my 2nd favorite receiver in the draft after MHJ.

This^^^. Tom Brady had an elite offense with two studs at TE for NE. You line up two TE's to force the defense into mix matches. If the defense has extra defensive backs in the nickel or dime then you can run the ball more effectively because your TE's will block them with ease. If the defense puts linebackers on the field to stop the run, now you have TE's who can run pass routes and have an advantage over slower defenders.

Obviously Fields isn't Tom Brady though. If you have 3-4 high quality pass catchers on your team then you need to find ways to get all of them enough targets to keep them happy. I'm not sure if DJ Moore is getting an overwhelming amount more targets b/c nobody else is getting separation consistently or if Fields just locks in on his favorite. I'm not hell bent on getting Bowers and I'm against getting MHJ and Bowers either but I do like the idea of having 2 really good TE's more than drafting a LT and having 3 really good Tackle's. You can utilize 2 TE's. Having a high quality backup LT on the bench for injury insurance seems like a luxury. Braxton Jones and D. Wright have been playing way better than what people want to give them credit for.

[fleet]

^^^Poor choice of words, acting like a victim.

Yeah, why bother reading the whole tweet even though the option was clearly there for you to do so??

Summary: "Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil; for thou art with me: thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me. ..."

[Betta Bulleavit]

^^^Poor choice of words, acting like a victim.

Yeah, why bother reading the whole tweet even though the option was clearly there for you to do so??

Summary: "Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil; for thou art with me: thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me. ..."

More like “What God has for me is what God has for me. So I’m not going to worry myself about things that aren’t in my control because there are lots of people that would love to be in the position that I’m in. So what will be will be”.

See, the problem is that some fans can’t handle the idea of our opinions not bothering these million dollar athletes. But he has every right to feel the way that he feels while simply letting his faith guide him. Perhaps HE isn’t the one playing the victim. Just a thought.

[fleet]

Yeah, why bother reading the whole tweet even though the option was clearly there for you to do so??

Summary: "Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil; for thou art with me: thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me. ..."

More like “What God has for me is what God has for me. So I’m not going to worry myself about things that aren’t in my control because there are lots of people that would love to be in the position that I’m in. So what will be will be”.

See, the problem is that some fans can’t handle the idea of our opinions not bothering these million dollar athletes. But he has every right to feel the way that he feels while simply letting his faith guide him. Perhaps HE isn’t the one playing the victim. Just a thought.

Are you sure? He wound up giving us his philosophy on life, and his position in it relative to fans. I think you’re wrong about opinion’s not mattering. There are too many examples of them proving opinions wrong, and then highlighting that they did. Be that as it may, he probably should have said he is concentrating on Detroit and Aidan Hutchinson. I would have bought it.

[Betta Bulleavit]

Summary: "Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil; for thou art with me: thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me. ..."

More like “What God has for me is what God has for me. So I’m not going to worry myself about things that aren’t in my control because there are lots of people that would love to be in the position that I’m in. So what will be will be”.

See, the problem is that some fans can’t handle the idea of our opinions not bothering these million dollar athletes. But he has every right to feel the way that he feels while simply letting his faith guide him. Perhaps HE isn’t the one playing the victim. Just a thought.

Are you sure? He wound up giving us his philosophy on life, and his position in it relative to fans. I think you’re wrong about opinion’s not mattering. There are too many examples of them proving opinions wrong, and then highlighting that they did. Be that as it may, he probably should have said he is concentrating on Detroit and Aidan Hutchinson. I would have bought it.

That’s hogwash, Fleet. He was asked a question regarding his future with the Bears and elaborated on how he intends to approach that topic. He wasn’t asked about the Detroit game and if he was (at some other point in the questioning) I’m sure he addressed that as well.

[fleet]

More like “What God has for me is what God has for me. So I’m not going to worry myself about things that aren’t in my control because there are lots of people that would love to be in the position that I’m in. So what will be will be”.

See, the problem is that some fans can’t handle the idea of our opinions not bothering these million dollar athletes. But he has every right to feel the way that he feels while simply letting his faith guide him. Perhaps HE isn’t the one playing the victim. Just a thought.

Are you sure? He wound up giving us his philosophy on life, and his position in it relative to fans. I think you’re wrong about opinion’s not mattering. There are too many examples of them proving opinions wrong, and then highlighting that they did. Be that as it may, he probably should have said he is concentrating on Detroit and Aidan Hutchinson. I would have bought it.

That’s hogwash, Fleet. He was asked a question regarding his future with the Bears and elaborated on how he intends to approach that topic. He wasn’t asked about the Detroit game and if he was (at some other point in the questioning) I’m sure he addressed that as well.

I gave my opinion. Hogwash or not. He talked like a victim, and I honestly can’t think of another big time quarterback answering a similar question like a victim of circumstances the way he did. “Life isn’t fair”? He definitely feels bothered. That’s fine, he’s human. He’s allowed. Poor choice of words for him fwiw..

[Betta Bulleavit]

Are you sure? He wound up giving us his philosophy on life, and his position in it relative to fans. I think you’re wrong about opinion’s not mattering. There are too many examples of them proving opinions wrong, and then highlighting that they did. Be that as it may, he probably should have said he is concentrating on Detroit and Aidan Hutchinson. I would have bought it.

That’s hogwash, Fleet. He was asked a question regarding his future with the Bears and elaborated on how he intends to approach that topic. He wasn’t asked about the Detroit game and if he was (at some other point in the questioning) I’m sure he addressed that as well.

I gave my opinion. Hogwash or not. He talked like a victim, and I honestly can’t think of another big time quarterback answering a similar question like a victim of circumstances the way he did. “Life isn’t fair”? He definitely feels bothered. That’s fine, he’s human. He’s allowed. Poor choice of words for him fwiw..

Opinions are opinions and we are all entitled to them. But what makes your opinion “hogwash” is because you intentionally twisted his words into something that would fit your own personal narrative on him and I just can’t get behind that. Hate him as a player all you want. But there’s no need to attack his character or make assertions of him playing victim when hardly anyone that reads that comment would read it that way. You’re just one of the few.

[fleet]

That’s hogwash, Fleet. He was asked a question regarding his future with the Bears and elaborated on how he intends to approach that topic. He wasn’t asked about the Detroit game and if he was (at some other point in the questioning) I’m sure he addressed that as well.

I gave my opinion. Hogwash or not. He talked like a victim, and I honestly can’t think of another big time quarterback answering a similar question like a victim of circumstances the way he did. “Life isn’t fair”? He definitely feels bothered. That’s fine, he’s human. He’s allowed. Poor choice of words for him fwiw..

Opinions are opinions and we are all entitled to them. But what makes your opinion “hogwash” is because you intentionally twisted his words into something that would fit your own personal narrative on him and I just can’t get behind that. Hate him as a player all you want. But there’s no need to attack his character or make assertions of him playing victim when hardly anyone that reads that comment would read it that way. You’re just one of the few.

I’m good with that.

[MAQ]

Are you sure? He wound up giving us his philosophy on life, and his position in it relative to fans. I think you’re wrong about opinion’s not mattering. There are too many examples of them proving opinions wrong, and then highlighting that they did. Be that as it may, he probably should have said he is concentrating on Detroit and Aidan Hutchinson. I would have bought it.

That’s hogwash, Fleet. He was asked a question regarding his future with the Bears and elaborated on how he intends to approach that topic. He wasn’t asked about the Detroit game and if he was (at some other point in the questioning) I’m sure he addressed that as well.

I gave my opinion. Hogwash or not. He talked like a victim, and I honestly can’t think of another big time quarterback answering a similar question like a victim of circumstances the way he did. “Life isn’t fair”? He definitely feels bothered. That’s fine, he’s human. He’s allowed. Poor choice of words for him fwiw..

Dude...he was LITERALLY asked if he thought how his career has played out with the Bears to this point has been "fair". That was the word used in the question.

This is a wild take.

[fleet]

That’s hogwash, Fleet. He was asked a question regarding his future with the Bears and elaborated on how he intends to approach that topic. He wasn’t asked about the Detroit game and if he was (at some other point in the questioning) I’m sure he addressed that as well.

I gave my opinion. Hogwash or not. He talked like a victim, and I honestly can’t think of another big time quarterback answering a similar question like a victim of circumstances the way he did. “Life isn’t fair”? He definitely feels bothered. That’s fine, he’s human. He’s allowed. Poor choice of words for him fwiw..

Dude...he was LITERALLY asked if he thought how his career has played out with the Bears to this point has been "fair". That was the word used in the question.

This is a wild take.

The easy answer is, ‘Of course it’s fair.’ Thats how you saddle up with broad shoulders. That being said, I have actually heard the audio tape now. It sounded less defensive in audio than it did in print with the Cronin tweet. The answer should still be ‘Of course it’s fair’. Whether or not it’s fair. He’s had some moments when he says stuff that hits the ear oddly. Like the fans don’t put in any work thing. Or the coaching thing. That’s all.

[JockItch43]

Are you sure? He wound up giving us his philosophy on life, and his position in it relative to fans. I think you’re wrong about opinion’s not mattering. There are too many examples of them proving opinions wrong, and then highlighting that they did. Be that as it may, he probably should have said he is concentrating on Detroit and Aidan Hutchinson. I would have bought it.

That’s hogwash, Fleet. He was asked a question regarding his future with the Bears and elaborated on how he intends to approach that topic. He wasn’t asked about the Detroit game and if he was (at some other point in the questioning) I’m sure he addressed that as well.

I gave my opinion. Hogwash or not. He talked like a victim, and I honestly can’t think of another big time quarterback answering a similar question like a victim of circumstances the way he did. “Life isn’t fair”? He definitely feels bothered. That’s fine, he’s human. He’s allowed. Poor choice of words for him fwiw..

If that’s your take after actually listening to the interview I don’t know what to say. Hi response is exactly why I think the kid has natural leadership skills despite his on the field issues.

[MAQ]

I gave my opinion. Hogwash or not. He talked like a victim, and I honestly can’t think of another big time quarterback answering a similar question like a victim of circumstances the way he did. “Life isn’t fair”? He definitely feels bothered. That’s fine, he’s human. He’s allowed. Poor choice of words for him fwiw..

Dude...he was LITERALLY asked if he thought how his career has played out with the Bears to this point has been "fair". That was the word used in the question.

This is a wild take.

The easy answer is, ‘Of course it’s fair.’ Thats how you saddle up with broad shoulders. That being said, I have actually heard the audio tape now. It sounded less defensive in audio than it did in print with the Cronin tweet. The answer should still be ‘Of course it’s fair’. Whether or not it’s fair. He’s had some moments when he says stuff that hits the ear oddly. Like the fans don’t put in any work thing. Or the coaching thing. That’s all.

Just speaking for me, if someone mentions anything about something being fair, my easy answer or response is life isn't fair. Because life isn't fair.

To say his answer should have been this reeks of some type of control you wish to have. You're just off base here.