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2025 Draft prospects - thread 2

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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#1541 » by kodo » Fri May 30, 2025 2:46 pm

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nomorezorro wrote:i actually like powell as a late first developmental dice-roll. would be exciting to have a ++ athleticism guy in the fold if you can pick up a pick in the 20s somehow

don't really love a trade down from 12 though, unless you're only moving back a few spots or are somehow picking up a meaningful future asset in the process. think there's a pretty significant difference between the guys in the mix at 12 and the players likely to be available in the late teens


Here's one trade, I'd be tempted to do:

Bulls trade: 12, 45

BKN trades: 19, 26, 36

Not sure if they would do that, but this would open up an opportunity for us to basically walk away with three first-round talents in a deep draft.


This draft is deep, but it’s not that deep. Don’t get me wrong, there’s still possibly some star potential available at 19. Will Riley maybe? Someone like Coward doesn’t go as high as the hype?

But when I look at this draft it starts to fall a pretty hard tier somewhere between 12 and 19. That line might be different for everyone, but it’s there. For me it’s around 13-14 and I start having to squint a little.

I would really like to add a later first, perhaps to add an extra big for example. I’d also be interested in a run at Saraf later in the first, especially if we draft someone like CMB at 12. But I would not trade back to do it. It would have to be other assets or just hold tight.

Seems relevant to the conversation, here are the all-star odds by pick I graphed a few months ago.
Basically starting at 12, all-star odds are roughly the same throughout the 1st round. Picks have a higher tier value starting at 11. Different drafts have different depth of course, but most scouts consider this a pretty normal draft other than Cooper.
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But even if it maths out, I agree with you I'd rather keep the 12. Maybe it's just an emotional thing but I want the higher #. Although it certainly didn't work out for us in McDermott's case.
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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#1542 » by Jcool0 » Fri May 30, 2025 3:35 pm

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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#1543 » by Indomitable » Fri May 30, 2025 3:49 pm

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nomorezorro wrote:a bad attitude didn't make cam reddish shoot sub-40% with no 3pt shot as an nba player

He's quite literally known for lacking a killer instinct and work ethic. Attitude for sure.

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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#1544 » by Indomitable » Fri May 30, 2025 3:55 pm

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Have you watched full games?


Nope. That's a waste of time. We don't get paid to watch full games to scout these kids. We have other things to do. Did you watch full games of any other notable prospects?

Raw stats, game logs, and advanced metrics don't lie.


That is a crappy way to scout. Stats has its uses and can tell a story. Still it should not be the only tool you use.


I think your role should be taking into account and watching how some plays matter.

I do not believe stats should seen as a God tier tool. It has its place.
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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#1545 » by MrSparkle » Fri May 30, 2025 3:59 pm

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Rocco Zikarsky looks better than all of them to me.


The combination of the Hungry Jacks logo, the shooting flames after dunks, the name Rocco Zikarsky, Rocco's cartoon-like appearance, and the Australian commentating makes for some amazing entertainment. Makes me want to up-end and move to Australia to watch NBL games live.

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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#1546 » by League Circles » Fri May 30, 2025 4:16 pm

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Rocco Zikarsky looks better than all of them to me.


The combination of the Hungry Jacks logo, the shooting flames after dunks, the name Rocco Zikarsky, Rocco's cartoon-like appearance, and the Australian commentating makes for some amazing entertainment. Makes me want to up-end and move to Australia to watch NBL games live.



I'd take him and 12. He's my #6 prospect in the entire draft I think. Truly game changing ability. I know he didn't excel last year but he's 18 with an amazing body and plays hard and has great instincts. You can tell teams must have wildly changed how they approach the rim against him based on the big decrease in his block rate from year 1 to 2.
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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#1547 » by rosenthall » Fri May 30, 2025 4:52 pm

MrSparkle wrote:
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Rocco Zikarsky looks better than all of them to me.


The combination of the Hungry Jacks logo, the shooting flames after dunks, the name Rocco Zikarsky, Rocco's cartoon-like appearance, and the Australian commentating makes for some amazing entertainment. Makes me want to up-end and move to Australia to watch NBL games live.



Is there a definitive reason for why he's fallen off the cliff on mock drafts? I haven't actually heard one, but he's nowhere to be found in the top half of the first round. Even if he had a down year -- I don't see why that would be enough to make him drop like he did. He seems to have all of the tools necessary to be a Lively/Kessler type player right away.
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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#1549 » by ThisGuyFawkes » Fri May 30, 2025 5:34 pm

MrSparkle wrote:
The combination of the Hungry Jacks logo, the shooting flames after dunks, the name Rocco Zikarsky, Rocco's cartoon-like appearance, and the Australian commentating makes for some amazing entertainment. Makes me want to up-end and move to Australia to watch NBL games live.


I've suddenly realized that I've always been a huge supporter of the Hungry Jacks.
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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#1550 » by Chi town » Fri May 30, 2025 5:48 pm

Givony confirming a lot of things what I saw on tape and giving me hope.

Noa rising inside top 10.
KJ is that 8-14 range.
Beringer late lottery to mid round.

My guys are still KJ Noa Coward. I’d trade back with Magic at 16 to draft Beringer. I like Saraf with a late 1st if we go big early.
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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#1551 » by Chi town » Fri May 30, 2025 5:51 pm

Rocco is my guy in the 2nd. I’d even take him late 1st if we got another pick.

His flashes are electric around the rim and his Aussie connection with Giddey would help him a lot IMO.
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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#1552 » by Chi town » Fri May 30, 2025 5:57 pm

boozapalooza wrote:https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/draft/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly90LmNvLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAIGqQcCpzt9yhepX1hhkpvGhamjJy5stXtWXcxUILcohGGRUr7CRh-5dDqMWgljLrWHifR6ddGEJht2rXwyNk0mAywi6SxgUrzUjHUmzG1J9BEV862PQXZwEX_4qpuq9CPdrdYAIRnNs5aEUM1cksHA1o-9Fq2p22vsXb5mW52Qj&view=default&board=0&filter=round%3Aall

KOC has officially mocked Drake Powell to the Bulls at 12, ahead of Maluach (14) and Demin (19)!!!

Could this be the Chandler Hutchison Promise 2.0???


KOC playing shock jock click bait.

KJ won’t be going 17 my guy.
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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#1553 » by Almost Retired » Fri May 30, 2025 6:07 pm

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Rocco Zikarsky looks better than all of them to me.



Zikarky wasn't on my radar, but if he's there at #45 he would be worth the pick for sure.
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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#1554 » by Guru » Fri May 30, 2025 6:12 pm

What does Egor Demin give you that Danny Wolfe doesnt?
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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#1555 » by Guru » Fri May 30, 2025 6:19 pm

This is my big board

F-Cooper Flagg-Duke

G-Dylan Harper-Rutgers

G-VJ Edgecombe-Baylor

W-Ace Bailey-Rutgers

C-Derik Queen-Maryland

G-Tre Johnson-Texas
G-Jeremiah Fears-Oklahoma

PG-Kasparas Jakuciois-Illinois

F-Rasheer Fleming-St Joseph's
F-Collin Murray-Boyles-S Carolina

F-Carter Bryant-Arizona
F-Noa Essengue-Germany

C-Maxime Raynaud-Stanford
C-Danny Wolf-Michigan

F-Asa Newell-Georgia
C-Khaman Maluach-Duke

F-Noah Penda-France

W-Kon Kneuppel-Duke

C-Thomas Sorber-Georgetown
W-Nique Clifford-Colorado St

C-Joan Beringer-Slovenia
F-Cedric Coward-Washington St
F-Liam McNeeley-Uconn
F-Hugo Gonzalez-Spain
G-Nolan Traore-France
W-Will Riley-Illinois
F-Drake Powell-UNC

G-Jase Richardson-Michigan St
G-Egor Demin-BYU
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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#1556 » by JohnnyKILLroy » Fri May 30, 2025 6:33 pm

Yanic Konan Neiderhauser would be awesome with our second round pick.
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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#1557 » by othawhitemeat » Fri May 30, 2025 6:36 pm

League Circles wrote:
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League Circles wrote:Rocco Zikarsky looks better than all of them to me.


The combination of the Hungry Jacks logo, the shooting flames after dunks, the name Rocco Zikarsky, Rocco's cartoon-like appearance, and the Australian commentating makes for some amazing entertainment. Makes me want to up-end and move to Australia to watch NBL games live.



I'd take him and 12. He's my #6 prospect in the entire draft I think. Truly game changing ability. I know he didn't excel last year but he's 18 with an amazing body and plays hard and has great instincts. You can tell teams must have wildly changed how they approach the rim against him based on the big decrease in his block rate from year 1 to 2.


If truly 7'4, he has some serious fluidity to his game - main thing for someone that size is health. Maybe, maxed out, he can be a Rudy Gobert type? I don't see him going at #12, but definitely could see the Nets getting him with one of their 4 1st rounders. Would love to trade down a tad to get him though if someone like KJ or Noa does not slide. Like him a lot better than some of the bigs we are mentioned with at number 12.
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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#1558 » by DuckIII » Fri May 30, 2025 7:11 pm

boozapalooza wrote:https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/draft/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly90LmNvLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAIGqQcCpzt9yhepX1hhkpvGhamjJy5stXtWXcxUILcohGGRUr7CRh-5dDqMWgljLrWHifR6ddGEJht2rXwyNk0mAywi6SxgUrzUjHUmzG1J9BEV862PQXZwEX_4qpuq9CPdrdYAIRnNs5aEUM1cksHA1o-9Fq2p22vsXb5mW52Qj&view=default&board=0&filter=round%3Aall

KOC has officially mocked Drake Powell to the Bulls at 12, ahead of Maluach (14) and Demin (19)!!!

Could this be the Chandler Hutchison Promise 2.0???


There are lots of reasons I find this mock hard to take seriously.
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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#1559 » by boozapalooza » Fri May 30, 2025 7:20 pm

DuckIII wrote:
boozapalooza wrote:https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/draft/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly90LmNvLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAIGqQcCpzt9yhepX1hhkpvGhamjJy5stXtWXcxUILcohGGRUr7CRh-5dDqMWgljLrWHifR6ddGEJht2rXwyNk0mAywi6SxgUrzUjHUmzG1J9BEV862PQXZwEX_4qpuq9CPdrdYAIRnNs5aEUM1cksHA1o-9Fq2p22vsXb5mW52Qj&view=default&board=0&filter=round%3Aall

KOC has officially mocked Drake Powell to the Bulls at 12, ahead of Maluach (14) and Demin (19)!!!

Could this be the Chandler Hutchison Promise 2.0???


There are lots of reasons I find this mock hard to take seriously.


He claims its based on intel / rumblings hes heard around the league. Who knows. If we pass on Maluach, Demin, and KJ, that will be a tough pill to swallow
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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#1560 » by 2weekswithpay » Fri May 30, 2025 7:25 pm

rosenthall wrote:
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League Circles wrote:Rocco Zikarsky looks better than all of them to me.


The combination of the Hungry Jacks logo, the shooting flames after dunks, the name Rocco Zikarsky, Rocco's cartoon-like appearance, and the Australian commentating makes for some amazing entertainment. Makes me want to up-end and move to Australia to watch NBL games live.



Is there a definitive reason for why he's fallen off the cliff on mock drafts? I haven't actually heard one, but he's nowhere to be found in the top half of the first round. Even if he had a down year -- I don't see why that would be enough to make him drop like he did. He seems to have all of the tools necessary to be a Lively/Kessler type player right away.


He barely played and wasn't productive when he did.

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