2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 - Merged

[sco]

BTW. can MPJ really really play at SF in today's NBA?? Isnt he more of a skinny strech PF?

he is more C than SF

if they have indeed promised Hutchison and MPJ,

Dunn-Grant-Payne-Arcidiacono*
LaVine-Holiday-Blakeney*
Nwaba*-Valentine-Hutchison
Markkanen-Porter-Zipser
Lopez-Portis-Felicio-Asik

I guess that's the roster if Nwaba stays and the 2-ways remain the same, which is doable, no space for Vonleh, if Nwaba leaves they might retain Kil I guess

If you don't defend and your position is based on who you guard, can we just call MPJ positionless?

[Red Larrivee]

I can see why people don't like MPJ. If you think he's a PF, then he's pretty weak in comparison.

He's a SF that will offer position versatility.

Position versatility depends on your ability to guard.

I'm not sure I'd want a 6'11 player who doesn't move great laterally to defend a quicker and smaller position.

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[JohnnyTapwater]

I can see why people don't like MPJ. If you think he's a PF, then he's pretty weak in comparison.

He's a SF that will offer position versatility.

Position versatility depends on your ability to guard.

I'm not sure I'd want a 6'11 player who doesn't move great laterally to defend a quicker and smaller position.

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I actually think MPJ moves better than Doncic.

So I guess that puts into perspective how I see MPJ vs. how others see him.

[bearadonisdna]

I can see why people don't like MPJ. If you think he's a PF, then he's pretty weak in comparison.

He's a SF that will offer position versatility.

Position versatility depends on your ability to guard.

I'm not sure I'd want a 6'11 player who doesn't move great laterally to defend a quicker and smaller position.

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I actually think MPJ moves better than Doncic.

So I guess that puts into perspective how I see MPJ vs. how others see him.

Its interesting you bring up doncic, he is a guy who may be positionless defensively because he doesnt have the tools to guard 1-3.

That isnt dropping his stock, these dynamic offensive players arent being drafted to make an all defensive team so i dont see how its a deal-breaker.

[keobulls]

I can see why people don't like MPJ. If you think he's a PF, then he's pretty weak in comparison.

He's a SF that will offer position versatility.

Position versatility depends on your ability to guard.

I'm not sure I'd want a 6'11 player who doesn't move great laterally to defend a quicker and smaller position.

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I actually think MPJ moves better than Doncic.

So I guess that puts into perspective how I see MPJ vs. how others see him.

How does MPJ compare to MIrotic? The description of him on here seems to be more and more Niko-like. A probably 4 who can maybe play 5 and possibly play 3 if he can keep up. Good shooter, can maybe get his own, not quick laterally, but may surprise on D and with passing and rebounding.

[JimmyJammer]

I can see why people don't like MPJ. If you think he's a PF, then he's pretty weak in comparison.

He's a SF that will offer position versatility.

Position versatility depends on your ability to guard.

I'm not sure I'd want a 6'11 player who doesn't move great laterally to defend a quicker and smaller position.

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Porter is definitely faster and more athletic than Doncic, so I wonder how that would work with the latter as a SF or SG? As it stands, I wonder if there is actually a position that Doncic can defend in the NBA. So, you would not draft Doncic either because of that?

[JohnnyTapwater]

Position versatility depends on your ability to guard.

I'm not sure I'd want a 6'11 player who doesn't move great laterally to defend a quicker and smaller position.

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I actually think MPJ moves better than Doncic.

So I guess that puts into perspective how I see MPJ vs. how others see him.

Its interesting you bring up doncic, he is a guy who may be positionless defensively because he doesnt have the tools to guard 1-3.

That isnt dropping his stock, these dynamic offensive players arent being drafted to make an all defensive team so i dont see how its a deal-breaker.

Subtly. That was my point.

I think Doncic is a killer, so I'm not going to focus on his deficiencies. So I decided to afford MPJ that same luxury.

Certain players just have it, those 2 have IT.

[GimmeDat]

Who withdrew aside from Jontay?

Fernando, I think he had a chance to go in our range, I thought Wilkes had an off chance to go in the 20's as well, would mention Gafford if we're talking relative to much earlier projections.

It's not a bunch of names, but I did my latest board today and I realized that by 22 the only guys available on my board were Simons, Bates-Diop, M.Robinson, Spellman, Melton, DiVincenzo, Hutchison etc. A pretty underwhelming crop, imo.

Very real possibility all of the guys I like a lot/love at that pick (Okobo, Huerter, Okogie, Brown, Musa, Knox) all being gone.

Knox will surely be gone, and Huerter seems to be rising out of our range. Beyond that, I think we’re almost certain to have one if not several of your guys on the board at 22.

I could be wrong, but when you take stock of some of the prospects in our range you didn’t name (Khyri Thomas, Lonnie Walker, Jacob Evans, Hutch, Landry Shamet, Melvin Frazier), you start to see how unlikely it is that all of your faves will go in the teens. There are just too many guys.

Yeah, depends on who you like I guess. Lonnie Walker would be great at 22, I think he's going higher, I'd be pretty meh with Thomas, Evans, Hutch, Shamet or Frazier at 22.

[Red Larrivee]

I can see why people don't like MPJ. If you think he's a PF, then he's pretty weak in comparison.

He's a SF that will offer position versatility.

Position versatility depends on your ability to guard.

I'm not sure I'd want a 6'11 player who doesn't move great laterally to defend a quicker and smaller position.

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Porter is definitely faster and more athletic than Doncic, so I wonder how that would work with the latter as a SF or SG? As it stands, I wonder if there is actually a position that Doncic can defend in the NBA. So, you would not draft Doncic either because of that?

Doncic is better defensively than Porter. Neither has the great lateral quickness like Mikal Bridges, but I've seen Doncic play good team defense and be in the right places. His awareness is respectable, but you're not going to leave him on an island.

Porter doesn't move his feet well to me and he's too upright in stance. He has a similar issue as LaVine in that he gets caught watching the ball a lot and loses his man.

I don't think either player lacks a position to defend. I just think Porter's flaws are so much easier to hide at PF than SF. Someone brought up Mirotic and Mirotic is definitely not a SF. In fact, the lineups with him at SF usually weren't good for his career. He's had better luck at the 4.

I don't expect either of these players to anchor a defense or something. I'm just looking at what fits best in terms of executing team defense.

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[wonderboy2]

This board can be pure comedy gold. Did Someone just post that MPJ is a center. Wow! This board sure do know how to make up things. Porter plays nonthing like a center, never has and probably never will. He’s a combo forward that can play both positions. Those players are good to have.

[bearadonisdna]

Position versatility depends on your ability to guard.

I'm not sure I'd want a 6'11 player who doesn't move great laterally to defend a quicker and smaller position.

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I actually think MPJ moves better than Doncic.

So I guess that puts into perspective how I see MPJ vs. how others see him.

How does MPJ compare to MIrotic? The description of him on here seems to be more and more Niko-like. A probably 4 who can maybe play 5 and possibly play 3 if he can keep up. Good shooter, can maybe get his own, not quick laterally, but may surprise on D and with passing and rebounding.

POrter is a natural Sf. Niko a Pf.
Niko is bulkier. Porter more ball skills. POrter probably quicker end to end.

[Leslie Forman]

Porter is definitely faster and more athletic than Doncic, so I wonder how that would work with the latter as a SF or SG? As it stands, I wonder if there is actually a position that Doncic can defend in the NBA. So, you would not draft Doncic either because of that?

Power forward. If he's really 6'8", 230ish and still growing, there's no reason he can't. We just saw Carmelo Anthony, Jayson Tatum, PJ Tucker, etc. do it for most of the playoffs.

[d boy gentleman]

I'd be willing to take a flyer on Mitchell Robinson @ 22. 7'1" young and athletic, why not?

[bearadonisdna]

This board can be pure comedy gold. Did Someone just post that MPJ is a center. Wow! This board sure do know how to make up things. Porter plays nonthing like a center, never has and probably never will. He’s a combo forward that can play both positions. Those players are good to have.

It just goes to show how dynamic porter is. Ive seen him do tipoffs. HE could probably play center like lebron plays center. Situationally.

[TheSuzerain]

I'd be willing to take a flyer on Mitchell Robinson @ 22. 7'1" young and athletic, why not?

He's not ready to be a professional basketball player.

[wonderboy2]

Position versatility depends on your ability to guard.

I'm not sure I'd want a 6'11 player who doesn't move great laterally to defend a quicker and smaller position.

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Porter is definitely faster and more athletic than Doncic, so I wonder how that would work with the latter as a SF or SG? As it stands, I wonder if there is actually a position that Doncic can defend in the NBA. So, you would not draft Doncic either because of that?

Doncic is better defensively than Porter. Neither has the great lateral quickness like Mikal Bridges, but I've seen Doncic play good team defense and be in the right places. His awareness is respectable, but you're not going to leave him on an island.

Porter doesn't move his feet well to me and he's too upright in stance. He has a similar issue as LaVine in that he gets caught watching the ball a lot and loses his man.

I don't think either player lacks a position to defend. I just think Porter's flaws are so much easier to hide at PF than SF. Someone brought up Mirotic and Mirotic is definitely not a SF. In fact, the lineups with him at SF usually weren't good for his career. He's had better luck at the 4.

I don't expect either of these players to anchor a defense or something. I'm just looking at what fits best in terms of executing team defense.

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I honestly think that Porter has good feet. He gets lazy and loses focus way to much though. Porter has shown the ability to guard the perimeter at times but he does get beat due to his technique. I agree with you on that. I’ve seen a lot of Doncic and his defense is even more of a concern to me. Like I mentioned before Doncic gives up complete blow bys from more atletic players. Even though he has high B.B. IQ he chooses the wrong angles to guard picknrolls causing him to get burned. Who does he guard in the NBA? He doesn’t have the quicks to guard Pgs. When he matched up vs atheletic wings he struggled. I don’t feel comfortable with him guarding the Wings especially in the today’s NBA. I do think Doncic will figure out how to be a decent team defender. But I also feel like Porters length could be a factor on defense with the right coaching if he’s healthy.

[TheSuzerain]

This board can be pure comedy gold. Did Someone just post that MPJ is a center. Wow! This board sure do know how to make up things. Porter plays nonthing like a center, never has and probably never will. He’s a combo forward that can play both positions. Those players are good to have.

It just goes to show how dynamic porter is. Ive seen him do tipoffs. HE could probably play center like lebron plays center. Situationally.

If you're drafting Porter, you have to believe in a Porter/Lauri combination at the 4/5 to close out games.

Personally, I find it intriguing. Not convinced it would work, but it is intriguing.

[wonderboy2]

I’m not going to lie though, a Doncic Markannan pick n roll would be absolutely devastating to opponents.

[WindyCityBorn]

I think, after all these withdrawals, people need to re-assess their expectations of the 22nd pick and who might be there.

My expectations have always been non-existent for #22.

[TheSuzerain]

I’m not going to lie though, a Doncic Markannan pick n roll would be absolutely devastating to opponents.

Young/Markkannen as well.