OT Bears 2019/20 season

[dice]

oddsmakers/bettors apparently think that the vikings are a significantly better team than the bears right now

[dice]

I can understand Pace being fired as well but I think he's done more good than bad. He's built a superbowl defense, hired good to great coaches outside of HC, and has found gems in the middle and late rounds of the draft. Outside of the tackles, he's found good Linemen. But his misses have been significant;QB, 1 round picks, and HC. I'd argue you keep him because he's an above average GM and there's already few of those as it is. But like i said, his misses are big and I wouldn't argue against him being to fired too hard.

excluding his first year as coach, pace's teams have a record of 33-40. 2 terrible years, 1 excellent year and 2 mediocre years. that's not more good than bad. and it doesn't look good going forward. partly because he mortgaged the future to get lucky with that one good season that saved his bacon

[TheStig]

I like Nagy. He's coached this team to a 25-16 record with no o line and QB in his 3 years with minimal offensive weapons. This is more on Pace. They'd be so much better with a normal o line. And they'd be a contender with an average starting qb. Can't blame Nagy for failing when he doesn't have much to work with on offense.

you're assuming that nagy deserves significant credit for the defense's performance, which strikes me as far-fetched. he didn't have much to do with trubisky's one good year either given that a lot of that was timely scrambling

fox had mitch and a good defense and was bad....

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

Is that supposed to be some sort of a defense for Nagy?

Look, yes Pace deserves blame. But from what I've been watching this goes beyond player talent. It goes beyond "bad play calling". We are talking players not being prepared, not being disciplined when it comes to penalties, and really poor clock and game management. These are things that happen a lot in bears games. Its an embarrassment. These are the kind of things that good coaches get cleaned up before the lights come on. I like Nagy too, I really wanted success with him. But theres a lot of lack of coaching going on. Don't get me wrong, he's a great cheerleader, one of the top rah rah coaches out there.

Oh and the defense didn't flip a switch until Mack was brought in. He took this D to another level and they just built on that. I give Pace a little bit of credit for having the balls to make that trade. But not enough for him to keep his job lol.

[nitetrain8603]

I've been saying for 3 years that Matt Nagy is a joke, nobody listened, everyone wanted to blame 10. Drafting Mitch was obviously a mistake given how good Mahomes and Watson have been (I wanted Watson at the time of the draft), but I do think Mitch will have a Ryan Tannehill like resurgence for some other team once he has a real coach, still think he'll be a solid starter somewhere.

Nagy has been trying to plug a square peg into a round hole for 3 seasons, get this guy tf out of here. Pace needs to go too, he's missed on 3 #1 picks and traded away 2 more in 6 seasons, and he's never addressed the OL in any capacity besides drafting Daniels and Whitehair.

Finish the season 5-11, clean house, draft BPA or take QB or an LT if you think they have start potential. Hopefully don't suck for another 10 years.

I don't think so. Mitch has horrible accuracy on the deepball, can't read defenses, has a bad feel for the pocket. Bear fans have to realize, there are several problems that are huge.

Nick Foles is supposed to be a guy who can go through his reads and deliver the ball accurately, and yet he can't do that behind this inept offense either. Foles is literally making the exact same throws as Trubiskky, falling off his back foot because he has pressure in his face leading to inaccurate downfield throws. It's a combo of bad playcalling and bad line play. If it weren't for Allen Robinson and Darnell Mooney making some incredible contested 50-50 catches his numbers would like even more putrid than they do.

Trubisky has already had success in the league when used to his strengths, put him in the I formation run a lot of bootlegs he's already shown the ability to be an at least average QB under those conditions with Fox and 1st year Nagy.

Not every successful QB needs to be Tom Brady/Peyton manning, guys like Josh Allen and Cam Newton can have success in the right system with the right personnel around them. He's not going to be dropping 50 yard dimes on receivers outside the numbers but again he doesn't have to because he's a threat with his legs which opens the middle of the field.

Again I'm not defending the pick, it was a mistake I'm just going to laugh at all the clowns who couldn't wait to get rid of him see him having a semi-successful post-bears career and wondering "why didn't he play like that for us!!!" It'd be the most typical Bears result possible.

As a non-Bears fan, I don't see Trubisky being anything more than a journeyman QB. The weaknesses he has are glaring ones. That doesn't mean that Foles is good, it just means Trubisky will never be the answer.

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

I don't think so. Mitch has horrible accuracy on the deepball, can't read defenses, has a bad feel for the pocket. Bear fans have to realize, there are several problems that are huge.

Nick Foles is supposed to be a guy who can go through his reads and deliver the ball accurately, and yet he can't do that behind this inept offense either. Foles is literally making the exact same throws as Trubiskky, falling off his back foot because he has pressure in his face leading to inaccurate downfield throws. It's a combo of bad playcalling and bad line play. If it weren't for Allen Robinson and Darnell Mooney making some incredible contested 50-50 catches his numbers would like even more putrid than they do.

Trubisky has already had success in the league when used to his strengths, put him in the I formation run a lot of bootlegs he's already shown the ability to be an at least average QB under those conditions with Fox and 1st year Nagy.

Not every successful QB needs to be Tom Brady/Peyton manning, guys like Josh Allen and Cam Newton can have success in the right system with the right personnel around them. He's not going to be dropping 50 yard dimes on receivers outside the numbers but again he doesn't have to because he's a threat with his legs which opens the middle of the field.

Again I'm not defending the pick, it was a mistake I'm just going to laugh at all the clowns who couldn't wait to get rid of him see him having a semi-successful post-bears career and wondering "why didn't he play like that for us!!!" It'd be the most typical Bears result possible.

As a non-Bears fan, I don't see Trubisky being anything more than a journeyman QB. The weaknesses he has are glaring ones. That doesn't mean that Foles is good, it just means Trubisky will never be the answer.

Cowboys? OMG

Well just hope he isn't your next qb lol.

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

oddsmakers/bettors apparently think that the vikings are a significantly better team than the bears right now

Well they are trending up and we are falling off a cliff.

[nitetrain8603]

Nick Foles is supposed to be a guy who can go through his reads and deliver the ball accurately, and yet he can't do that behind this inept offense either. Foles is literally making the exact same throws as Trubiskky, falling off his back foot because he has pressure in his face leading to inaccurate downfield throws. It's a combo of bad playcalling and bad line play. If it weren't for Allen Robinson and Darnell Mooney making some incredible contested 50-50 catches his numbers would like even more putrid than they do.

Trubisky has already had success in the league when used to his strengths, put him in the I formation run a lot of bootlegs he's already shown the ability to be an at least average QB under those conditions with Fox and 1st year Nagy.

Not every successful QB needs to be Tom Brady/Peyton manning, guys like Josh Allen and Cam Newton can have success in the right system with the right personnel around them. He's not going to be dropping 50 yard dimes on receivers outside the numbers but again he doesn't have to because he's a threat with his legs which opens the middle of the field.

Again I'm not defending the pick, it was a mistake I'm just going to laugh at all the clowns who couldn't wait to get rid of him see him having a semi-successful post-bears career and wondering "why didn't he play like that for us!!!" It'd be the most typical Bears result possible.

As a non-Bears fan, I don't see Trubisky being anything more than a journeyman QB. The weaknesses he has are glaring ones. That doesn't mean that Foles is good, it just means Trubisky will never be the answer.

Cowboys? OMG

Well just hope he isn't your next qb lol.

Not a Cowboys fan anymore after Jerry stated what he stated about players kneeling a few years back. I'm a Rams fan. Just been lazy in changing the avatar.

[thedarkstark]

As a non-Bears fan, I don't see Trubisky being anything more than a journeyman QB. The weaknesses he has are glaring ones. That doesn't mean that Foles is good, it just means Trubisky will never be the answer.

When Jay Cutler is arguably the 2nd best QB in your franchises history "the answer" takes on a whole different meaning. Like it'd be great to find a Patrick Mahomes or even a Dak Prescott, but Bears fans should be jumping for joy if they find a guy who can start for them more than 3 seasons.

Trubisky despite his glaring flaws is probably a top 5 all-time Bears QB lmao.

[patryk7754]

I can understand Pace being fired as well but I think he's done more good than bad. He's built a superbowl defense, hired good to great coaches outside of HC, and has found gems in the middle and late rounds of the draft. Outside of the tackles, he's found good Linemen. But his misses have been significant;QB, 1 round picks, and HC. I'd argue you keep him because he's an above average GM and there's already few of those as it is. But like i said, his misses are big and I wouldn't argue against him being to fired too hard.

excluding his first year as coach, pace's teams have a record of 33-40. 2 terrible years, 1 excellent year and 2 mediocre years. that's not more good than bad. and it doesn't look good going forward. partly because he mortgaged the future to get lucky with that one good season that saved his bacon

You're not wrong but I think he deserves a small pass for the first couple of seasons when he took over the Emery mess. If Pace is fired the next GM will have to sign two lineman and an average QB and the bears will be division winner contenders for the next five years. There is a NFL network video breaking down the success of GMs (going into this season) and if I remember correctly PAce was at least top three in drafting pro bowlers.

I think the best way to sum up Pace is like this: The things he's good at, he's one of the best and the things he's bad at he's one of the worst.

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

I can understand Pace being fired as well but I think he's done more good than bad. He's built a superbowl defense, hired good to great coaches outside of HC, and has found gems in the middle and late rounds of the draft. Outside of the tackles, he's found good Linemen. But his misses have been significant;QB, 1 round picks, and HC. I'd argue you keep him because he's an above average GM and there's already few of those as it is. But like i said, his misses are big and I wouldn't argue against him being to fired too hard.

excluding his first year as coach, pace's teams have a record of 33-40. 2 terrible years, 1 excellent year and 2 mediocre years. that's not more good than bad. and it doesn't look good going forward. partly because he mortgaged the future to get lucky with that one good season that saved his bacon

You're not wrong but I think he deserves a small pass for the first couple of seasons when he took over the Emery mess. If Pace is fired the next GM will have to sign two lineman and an average QB and the bears will be division winner contenders for the next five years. There is a NFL network video breaking down the success of GMs (going into this season) and if I remember correctly PAce was at least top three in drafting pro bowlers.

I think the best way to sum up Pace is like this: The things he's good at, he's one of the best and the things he's bad at he's one of the worst.

He's good in the later rounds but stinks in the first round. Roquan basically fell in his lap. Kind of reminds me of Angelo.

[patryk7754]

Thoughts on replacements for Pace?

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

Thoughts on replacements for Pace?

Ravens and Chiefs seem to always do well through the draft.
Joe Hortiz currently with Ravens
Mike Borgonzi currently with Chiefs

Louis Riddick currently with ESPN

I kinda like Riddick myself.

[DJhitek]

I’d fire everybody, Pace, Nagy, Pagan(who hasn’t been bad IMO).

This front office needs a reset that coincides with the franchise moving on from Trubisky.

[dougthonus]

When Jay Cutler is arguably the 2nd best QB in your franchises history "the answer" takes on a whole different meaning. Like it'd be great to find a Patrick Mahomes or even a Dak Prescott, but Bears fans should be jumping for joy if they find a guy who can start for them more than 3 seasons.

Trubisky despite his glaring flaws is probably a top 5 all-time Bears QB lmao.

Who is the QB for the Bears that was better than Jay Cutler?

[Chicago-Bull-E]

I don’t see how anyone can have Nagy higher on the chopping block than Pace.

This offense was really bad last year. Pace had the offseason to build a new offense, and his decision was to grab a bunch of mediocre tight ends and a QB that got lost his job in Jacksonville.

[fleet]

Quinn signing blows up in Pace’s face


https://chicago.suntimes.com/platform/amp/bears/2020/11/11/21559199/bears-70-million-man-robert-quinn-salary-contract-stats-has-sack-khalil-mack-ryan-pace-leonard-floyd

[dougthonus]

Is that supposed to be some sort of a defense for Nagy?

Look, yes Pace deserves blame. But from what I've been watching this goes beyond player talent. It goes beyond "bad play calling". We are talking players not being prepared, not being disciplined when it comes to penalties, and really poor clock and game management. These are things that happen a lot in bears games. Its an embarrassment. These are the kind of things that good coaches get cleaned up before the lights come on. I like Nagy too, I really wanted success with him. But theres a lot of lack of coaching going on. Don't get me wrong, he's a great cheerleader, one of the top rah rah coaches out there.

Oh and the defense didn't flip a switch until Mack was brought in. He took this D to another level and they just built on that. I give Pace a little bit of credit for having the balls to make that trade. But not enough for him to keep his job lol.

I'm a sort of defender of Nagy. I don't know that he's good or bad, but I think the results under him have been good relative to the talent, I'm not sure he's the cause of that good result, but since the result is better than anticipated, I have a hard time finding too much blame for him.

The penalty thing is interesting though, the Bears are 31st in penalties against per game and 30th in yards against per game. Granted, not all of that is necessarily a coaching issue. Penalties are often makeups for when a player gets beat, but the Bears definitely have a lot of preparation/discipline oriented penalties (false starts, delay of games etc).

Either way, that's a really nasty thing to go against you when you are a defensive team with no offense.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

When Jay Cutler is arguably the 2nd best QB in your franchises history "the answer" takes on a whole different meaning. Like it'd be great to find a Patrick Mahomes or even a Dak Prescott, but Bears fans should be jumping for joy if they find a guy who can start for them more than 3 seasons.

Trubisky despite his glaring flaws is probably a top 5 all-time Bears QB lmao.

Who is the QB for the Bears that was better than Jay Cutler?

Rex Homie Rex.

[transplant]

Is that supposed to be some sort of a defense for Nagy?

Look, yes Pace deserves blame. But from what I've been watching this goes beyond player talent. It goes beyond "bad play calling". We are talking players not being prepared, not being disciplined when it comes to penalties, and really poor clock and game management. These are things that happen a lot in bears games. Its an embarrassment. These are the kind of things that good coaches get cleaned up before the lights come on. I like Nagy too, I really wanted success with him. But theres a lot of lack of coaching going on. Don't get me wrong, he's a great cheerleader, one of the top rah rah coaches out there.

Oh and the defense didn't flip a switch until Mack was brought in. He took this D to another level and they just built on that. I give Pace a little bit of credit for having the balls to make that trade. But not enough for him to keep his job lol.

I'm a sort of defender of Nagy. I don't know that he's good or bad, but I think the results under him have been good relative to the talent, I'm not sure he's the cause of that good result, but since the result is better than anticipated, I have a hard time finding too much blame for him.

The penalty thing is interesting though, the Bears are 31st in penalties against per game and 30th in yards against per game. Granted, not all of that is necessarily a coaching issue. Penalties are often makeups for when a player gets beat, but the Bears definitely have a lot of preparation/discipline oriented penalties (false starts, delay of games etc).

Either way, that's a really nasty thing to go against you when you are a defensive team with no offense.

I'm also a Nagy defender. As for the penalties, most of them are on defense and Nagy freely admits that he doesn't spend much time with that side of the ball. As for the offensive penalties, you're dealing with an offensive line that wasn't good to begin with and last week featured a 4th string center (who had never played the position in his life) and several other inexperienced players and/or players playing out of position. I've been watching pro football for over 50 years and I've never seen such a patchwork O-line.