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Way too early NBA draft thread 2021

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If we manage to get 3rd pick who do you draft?

Evan Mobley
21
14%
Jalen Suggs
89
61%
Terrence Clarke
1
1%
Jonathan Kuminga
9
6%
Ziaire Williams
1
1%
Usman Guruba
2
1%
Jalen Johnson
2
1%
Terrence Clarke
0
No votes
BJ Boston
3
2%
None of the Above
18
12%
 
Total votes: 146

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Re: Way too early NBA draft thread 2021 

Post#1561 » by othawhitemeat » Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:24 am

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TheHrvReport wrote:Neemias Queta looks good at #38

18/12/3/4 per 36

Yeah he doesn’t shoot from the outside but he can be a Mitchell Robinson type player for us. A good backup for Vucevic for years to come


Queta is one of the three potential 2nd Round Picks I really covet for the Bulls, along with Joe Wieskamp and Kessler Edwards out of Pepperdine. At the Combine Queta measured 6-11 1/4 without shoes, had the longest wingspan at 7-4", an the tallest vertical reach at 9-4.5". He has a high motor. He'd be an ideal rim runner defensive and rebounding anchor on the 2nd Team. His free throw shooting improved over his College career, and he shot 70.7% from the line this previous season. H'e's not going to give you much offensively other than put backs, but he can pass the ball a little, especially to spot up shooters. He made a really good impression at the Combine. Chad Ford say he might have played his way into the late 1st Round. Sam Vecenie listed Queta as one of the players who was most helped by his participation at the Combine, a list that also included Joe Wieskampb, Bones Hyland, Jericho Sims, and Quentin Grimes.

Drafting a rim-running rim protecting C in the 2nd is a good use of the pick, IMO.
I like Weiskamp with shooting and surprise athletecism, but I'm still rooting for my man Isaiah Livers, who reminds me of Levert (also from UofM) who was a first round talent who fell due to injury.


I see the injury part but don't think Livers will.be that good at next level. Aaron Henry, Weiscamp - yes but not Livers.
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Re: Way too early NBA draft thread 2021 

Post#1562 » by Leslie Forman » Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:25 am

Never heard of this Goodwin kid, so I looked him up.

He has maybe the oddest profile for a prospect I've ever seen, even for a second rounder. A 6'3", 4-year senior who appears to exist solely to grab rebounds and steals. What an odd one. Sounds kind of like a mini Andre Roberson.
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Post#1563 » by drosestruts » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:28 pm

Screw it- give me Luka Garza. No 2nd round player matches his skill and output at the college level. If we retain Theis the majority of the center minutes should be split between Vuc and Theis and we can bring Garza along slowly. Let him work with NBA level nutritionists and strength & conditioning coaches. Work on that footspeed.

He's got post moves, he shot 44% from three. He's just a skilled player, which is a rare find in the 2nd round.
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Post#1564 » by Almost Retired » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:01 pm

Wieskamp still looks to me to be the player who MIGHT last to #38 who has outstanding athleticism, good length, and above average shooting ability from "3". If PWill is going to playing more of a "4" role then we need wing help. Of course we need PG help too, but that has to be addressed in Free agency or trade. While not perfect Lonzo Ball checks more boxes than any other option for us out there. His age, his experience level, and his length which gives BD more lineup flexibility. BD had success running a 3 guard offense with the Thunder. Perhaps he could do the same with a backcourt of Lonzo, Zach and Coby. Add PWill and Vooch and you have the potential to score a lot of points. Wieskamp can probably help us in Year 1 off the bench. He would essentially replace Valentine who I assume will be gone (I hope).
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Post#1565 » by waffle » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:32 pm

Semi bold prediction - The bulls end up with a 1st round pick this year.
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Post#1566 » by sco » Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:00 pm

waffle wrote:Semi bold prediction - The bulls end up with a 1st round pick this year.

It would be full-on bold if you predict the player will be good (for a change).
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Re: Way too early NBA draft thread 2021 

Post#1567 » by TheHrvReport » Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:42 pm

drosestruts wrote:Screw it- give me Luka Garza. No 2nd round player matches his skill and output at the college level. If we retain Theis the majority of the center minutes should be split between Vuc and Theis and we can bring Garza along slowly. Let him work with NBA level nutritionists and strength & conditioning coaches. Work on that footspeed.

He's got post moves, he shot 44% from three. He's just a skilled player, which is a rare find in the 2nd round.

Let's buy a 2nd rounder..he will be available mid to late 2nd round.
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Post#1568 » by sco » Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:48 pm

TheHrvReport wrote:
drosestruts wrote:Screw it- give me Luka Garza. No 2nd round player matches his skill and output at the college level. If we retain Theis the majority of the center minutes should be split between Vuc and Theis and we can bring Garza along slowly. Let him work with NBA level nutritionists and strength & conditioning coaches. Work on that footspeed.

He's got post moves, he shot 44% from three. He's just a skilled player, which is a rare find in the 2nd round.

Let's buy a 2nd rounder..he will be available mid to late 2nd round.

I go back and forth. We need to find a hidden gem to make a big step forward, but I really don't want a bunch of under-25 year olds tripping over each other out there any more. For better or worse, we're bringing Marko over. Outside of 2-way deals (which are fine), I'd rather fill our needs at other positions.
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Post#1569 » by Am2626 » Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:05 pm

sco wrote:
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drosestruts wrote:Screw it- give me Luka Garza. No 2nd round player matches his skill and output at the college level. If we retain Theis the majority of the center minutes should be split between Vuc and Theis and we can bring Garza along slowly. Let him work with NBA level nutritionists and strength & conditioning coaches. Work on that footspeed.

He's got post moves, he shot 44% from three. He's just a skilled player, which is a rare find in the 2nd round.

Let's buy a 2nd rounder..he will be available mid to late 2nd round.

I go back and forth. We need to find a hidden gem to make a big step forward, but I really don't want a bunch of under-25 year olds tripping over each other out there any more. For better or worse, we're bringing Marko over. Outside of 2-way deals (which are fine), I'd rather fill our needs at other positions.


Sounds like a poor man’s McDermott. Not from a positional standpoint but from how he will translate to the NBA game. It’s one thing if the Bulls had this pick but to give up future assets for him doesn’t make sense. He may not even get drafted so the Bulls would be able to sign him as a FA.
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Post#1570 » by TheHrvReport » Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:26 pm

Am2626 wrote:
sco wrote:
TheHrvReport wrote:Let's buy a 2nd rounder..he will be available mid to late 2nd round.

I go back and forth. We need to find a hidden gem to make a big step forward, but I really don't want a bunch of under-25 year olds tripping over each other out there any more. For better or worse, we're bringing Marko over. Outside of 2-way deals (which are fine), I'd rather fill our needs at other positions.


Sounds like a poor man’s McDermott. Not from a positional standpoint but from how he will translate to the NBA game. It’s one thing if the Bulls had this pick but to give up future assets for him doesn’t make sense. He may not even get drafted so the Bulls would be able to sign him as a FA.

I can see the McDermott impact comparison but Garza dominated in the best conference in college both this year and last. He will definitely be drafted somewhere in the second round, dont think college player of the year has ever gone undrafted or at least not in a really long time. Not saying he will amount to an all-star or anything ludicrous like that but is worth taking a chance on if you can get him between 45-60.
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Post#1571 » by HomoSapien » Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:15 pm

Mentioned him before, but I really like Thor's potential. We're likely going to need to find a way to add depth to the 4 spot if we're losing Lauri, Theis, and possibly Thad. He could give us some bench minutes and perhaps later develop into a solid rotation player or perhaps starter.

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Post#1572 » by pipfan » Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:53 pm

Garza would be a great pick at 38. Bench bigs have value
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Post#1573 » by Jahensle » Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:55 am

pipfan wrote:Garza would be a great pick at 38. Bench bigs have value


Agreed, I like Garza at 38.
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Re: Way too early NBA draft thread 2021 

Post#1574 » by ThisGuyFawkes » Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:06 pm

TheHrvReport wrote:
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sco wrote:I go back and forth. We need to find a hidden gem to make a big step forward, but I really don't want a bunch of under-25 year olds tripping over each other out there any more. For better or worse, we're bringing Marko over. Outside of 2-way deals (which are fine), I'd rather fill our needs at other positions.


Sounds like a poor man’s McDermott. Not from a positional standpoint but from how he will translate to the NBA game. It’s one thing if the Bulls had this pick but to give up future assets for him doesn’t make sense. He may not even get drafted so the Bulls would be able to sign him as a FA.

I can see the McDermott impact comparison but Garza dominated in the best conference in college both this year and last. He will definitely be drafted somewhere in the second round, dont think college player of the year has ever gone undrafted or at least not in a really long time. Not saying he will amount to an all-star or anything ludicrous like that but is worth taking a chance on if you can get him between 45-60.


Garza is an interesting option, but you can't say that the B10 was the best conference in the country after seeing the tournament results. Almost all of the B10 teams were exposed and players like Garza were a big reason why.
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Post#1575 » by MrSparkle » Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:13 pm

Barca just signed him to 4y, so he'd be a draft and stash, but what's the low-down on Rokas Jokubaitis? 20yo lefty with some craft, runs a nice PnR, and good ability to make contested jumpers and lay-ups. Reminds me of Sarunas and Dragic.
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Post#1576 » by BahamaBull » Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:27 pm

I like Garza with our 2nd round pick too.
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Post#1577 » by Chi town » Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:56 pm

I can see AK moving up from 38 to 1st round w cash.

Ayo or someone similar makes sense. Switchy athletic guard/wing. Maybe Bones?

I’d love a Thad trade for a pick swap and cash and somehow get Kispert. Also like Weismamp at 38
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Post#1578 » by MrSparkle » Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:57 pm

gobullschi wrote:
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Chicagoat wrote:Really wish the Bulls can get a first round pick in this years draft. Or at least another second rounder. Bulls need more young talent.

I get it, and I'd be happy to improve our draft position, but we need to infuse this team with more vets to instill winning habits. We have Marko, this years' second, Pat, Coby and Troy.


Last season the Bulls average players age was 26.9, which ranked 10th oldest in the league. They aren't THAT young.

Also, when you look at the teams with the higher age averages, a lot of the teams that they have a lot of veterans that are chasing a ring. Which pushes up their average ages. An indication that the Bulls actually need to add MORE young talent.


Well, it was a tale of 2 teams. Pre-deadline, we were easily one of the youngest teams in the league, especially considering Otto and Felicio were corpses. Post-deadline, we (correctly) moved towards a nice prime collection of players.

Examples of players driving up age averages:
Lakers - Marc Gasol, Jared Dudley, Wesley Matthews
Miami - Udonis Haslem, Trevor Ariza

I'm all for exploring opportunities to purchase a second round pick. It wouldn't hurt to take a couple swings.


Yeah, but nevermind the average driving up. Those teams played old. Lakers' started 3 guys over 34yo, along with their #1 option. Heat had 3 key rotation players over 34yo; their #1 option was 31. 28-33 is the sweet spot; when your top-7 rotation has a surplus of 33+ guys, it starts to suffer. 27-33yo win games (besides superstars). Youngins and elders can contribute if put in the right position, but it becomes trickier.

But I agree that we need some 2nd round picks. Mainly cause I trust AKME can scout and develop them well.

Will the Bulls re-sign Temple? What kind of contract does he command at 36?


No idea tbh. $5m seemed like a stretch, but he proved to be a very worthwhile vet mentor here. Ideally he deserves another $5m, but this time it'll cut into cap moves, so it'll be tricky. Unlike GarPax, I hope AKME work a logical/professional scenario instead of an emotional commitment to a past-prime player whose time expired (cough, Dunleavy and Kirk).
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Post#1579 » by pym » Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:08 pm

If we stay at 38, Santi Aldama is an interesting possibility. He seems to have a lot of skill, but no track record against high level competition since the Euro U18s in 2019. Here's Vecenie's take from The Athletic:

36. Santi Aldama
F | Loyola (Md.) | Birthdate: Jan. 10, 2001 (Age: 20) | 6-11 | 220 LBS | Hometown: Las Palmas, Spain

Background Comes from a significant hoops family in Spain. His father, Santiago Aldama, played professionally in Spain and represented Spain at the 1992Olympics. His uncle also played professional hoops in Spain. Unsurprisingly, grew up playing the game and developed very early. Took a bit of a weird, different pathway than the typical elite Spanish prospect. Played at the Canterbury Basketball Academy near home in Las Palmas and decided to continue there instead of playing at a major youth academy like Real or Barca. In 2018, he played at the Adidas Next Generation Tournament for Barcelona. Continued to develop and was chosen for Spain’s youth national team in 2017 at the U16 European Championships and the U18 European Championships in 2019. It’s at that U18 event where Aldama truly broke out. He won MVP, averaging 18 points and eight
rebounds while leading Spain to a gold medal. That summer, he decided to go the college route in the United States and chose to attend Loyola (Md.). Yeah, it was as surprising to me as it is to you. Regardless, watching Aldama play at the Patriot League level was one of the funniest joys of college basketball in the last two years. The level to which he was better than his teammates and everyone else in the league was staggering. Missed the first part of his freshman year due to a knee surgery. Carried Loyola to the Patriot League title game as a sophomore basically on his own despite being on a short-handed, injury-riddled, COVID-struck team. Decided to declare for the draft following his sophomore season. Was unclear what he was doing up until the final deadline day, when he chose to go professional.

YEAR TEAM LEAGUE Age GP PPG RPG APG TOPG BPG SPG FG% 3P% FT%
2019-20 LOYOLA (MD) NCAA (PATRIOT) 19 10 15.2 7.6 2.1 2.3 1.7 0.9 45.9 21.7 51.5
2020-21 LOYOLA (MD) NCAA (PATRIOT) 20 17 21.2 10.1 2.3 3.2 1.7 1.0 51.3 36.8 68.6

Strengths
Great size for a combo big man at 6-foot-11 with a 7-foot-1 wingspan. Very fluid athleticism. Moves really well with body control. Constantly knows exactly where he is on the court and how to position his body optimally to make it happen. Has the feel and touch of a player who grew up playing the game with great coaching. His feel is outstanding. He moves without the ball exceptionally well. Cuts off the ball into open areas. Relocates into open shots. Everything is just really sharp. Always finds the soft spot in the defense. Knows exactly when his defender makes a mistake and pounces. Also has great hands. Has the ballhandling tools to be able to take advantage of it too. Can handle and control the ball at a high level for someone who is 6-foot-11. Grabs and goes on the break. Runs dribble handoffs at a really high level because defenders need to be honest with his ability to keep it and drive. Can run dribble handoffs as both a ballhandler and a big. Good in screen and short rolls and pick-and-pops. Can straight-line drive to the rim. Loyola ran its whole offense through him. His footwork is pristine. He’s an absolutely terrific passer for a big whose assist numbers drastically underrate his skill due to quality of teammates. Constantly makes quick, high-level decisions to hit open players for open shots that they aren’t able to take advantage of. The tape is so much better than the numbers. The kind of multi-skilled big that teams are looking for. He’s a legitimate versatile shooter. Hit 37 percent from 3. Made his catch-and-shoot attempts (nearly all of which were from 3) at a 39 percent clip. Also made pull-ups at a 37.5 percent clip when he took them. Made them out of all situations. Took dribble handoffs and flattened out behind his teammate to shoot. Made post turnarounds. Made six 3-pointers directly off movement and off-ball screening actions. Hit pick-and-pop 3s going backward. Hit spot 3s with good shot prep. Does take him an extra split second to get it off but has a very clean release. Has legit range beyond the college 3-point and NBA lines. On top of that, terrific finisher at the rim because of his touch. Made 65.9 percent of his shots at
the rim in non-post-up settings, per Synergy. Has the same kind of high-level defensive instincts that you’d expect for someone with this feel. Knows how to angle his body. Makes the right rotations. Constantly uses his length well by keeping his hands high. Gets a ton of deflections and blocks shots. Not going to be elite on that end but has shown enough to where he has a chance to not be a liability in time.

Weaknesses
A couple major concerns. First, has to get stronger. Comes in at around 220 pounds right now, which is just too skinny to play the role he’ll be asked to play at the next level. Won’t be able to hold his position at all against some of the biggest centers in the league. Probably needs another 15 or so pounds to be at his most effective level. Does seem to have the frame to be able to handle that kind of strength and weight. Second, not an amazing athlete. Really fluid but doesn’t have a ton of explosiveness. Needs to really get into the weight room and work through his agility. Has some vertical pop but not quite enough to be a terrific rim protector despite blocking nearly two blocks per game in the Pat League. Gets by based on footwork and skill. Guys still finish over the top of him at the center position. Will need to be a terrific positional defender – something he has potential to be but isn’t elite enough yet. Would be a below-average defender right now in the NBA. Will need to keep tightening up his handle. Was turnover-prone at Loyola, but that was largely because he was asked to do a comical amount for the team due to his skill level. Will be much better as he’s able to downshift a bit in terms of role but can get just a touch loose where he gets stripped. On top of that, worth noting that the Pat League competition level was not all that great. He was comically better than everyone in the
league. Needs to keep proving that his game translates to the next level.

Summary
I’ll be honest, I had to keep reminding myself about the quality of competition factor while watching Aldama. He was so utterly dominant against Patriot League players who just couldn’t match his combination of size and skill. It was like plopping a professional down into a midmajor league. NBA players will be able to match him to a much greater degree, meaning there is some degree of uncertainty with Aldama’s translation to the next level. For that reason, I have him as an early second-rounder who would be a priority guy for me. I would prefer to stash him if I could at a EuroLeague team (and he’ll absolutely have those offers this summer), but if it came down to it, I would give him a guaranteed deal. He’s that gifted as a playmaking five who fits the modern style of play due to his perimeter skill and decision-making comfort. He processes the game at such a high level that it’s easy to see how, with some further strength training, he’s going to be a useful NBA player. We’ll see if he goes through with the draft.
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Post#1580 » by Bulldog23 » Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:04 pm

I really like three players in this draft outside the top five: Moody, Barnes, and Garuba.

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