Melo 16- If it's meant to be, it's meant to be

[TheStig]

So I walk up to my moms house to get ready for the BBQ and she brings out a picture of me when I was a kid

I'm like 3 I think at the time and I'm wearing nothing but Chicago Bulls gear from head to toe

I'm convinced at this point

Glad to hear your mother raised you right. The question is where did you go wrong and cross over to the dark side?

[BeatDaCavs420]

How great would it be if the knicks dont make the playoffs again OR even better an face us first round an we sweep them lmfaoooo

[WesleyExChiFan]

Trade his rights...dont sign him. We can do that right?

We're negotiating a contract with him to play for the Bulls and it already sounds like they have most of it done:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/485092225655635968[/tweet]

kinda means we've moved off of melo no?

I think they're hedging their bets. Melo is leaving a LOT of money on the table if he leaves NYC.

[Benedict Miller]

This is huge to me. This and the Mirotic report from overseas have been things that stick out for me. Something is up.

K.C. Johnson ‏@KCJHoop 4m
Gar Forman doesn't show cards much, which is why his draft night confidence that Anthony Randolph's $1.825M salary could be moved stands out

What do you think it could mean?

[IndianPlaya17]

So I walk up to my moms house to get ready for the BBQ and she brings out a picture of me when I was a kid

I'm like 3 I think at the time and I'm wearing nothing but Chicago Bulls gear from head to toe

I'm convinced at this point

Glad to hear your mother raised you right. The question is where did you go wrong and cross over to the dark side?

College when he was on his own. His mind got corrupted by "the man"

[Red Larrivee]

I Think it could be a smokescreen. A couple days ago the Bulls had no clue Mirotic would come over. Now we already have a contract worked out for him. Whats the hurry to sign him?

A contract probably isn't worked out, but they see eye-to-eye on the biggest hurdles in a contract.

There's no hurry to sign him, but why wouldn't they? They want him here. You really think they rushed him over so they could trade him to the Knicks? Melo hasn't even made a decision yet. The Bulls don't operate like that.

[organix85]

Capable? Sure. And I've watched plenty of Bosh to know that he isn't some sort of massive upgrade defensively over Jones. But hey, feel free to disregard all the other advanced metrics especially when you consider his age and price.

And you feel free to rely on advanced metrics of a guy who visually got beaten badly by Aldridge which forced Howard to spend more time on him. Also, Jones won't have the advantage of always having Howard or Asik at his side all the time anymore. Believe what you will. Rockets have money to spend and they need a better PF way more than they need a better SF. Rockets score enough to not need a guy who can only score more than a guy who fills a position where they were abused at in the most recent playoff series.

Man, LMA abuses most PF's in this league in the low post. If you think Bosh on that Houston team would stop that you're fooling yourself. And who said Melo was a good fit for them anyway? No way Bosh brings anywhere near the upgrade you make it out to be when you consider age and price. His passive attitude and nonchalant ways of standing around at the 3 point line is exactly what that team doesn't need.

But yeah, give up on a 23 year old who put up a PER if 20 because he got "abused" by an all star PF.

Aldridge is good... but they rode him destroying Jones to go up 2-0 and steal both home games from Houston while he scored 89 points in 2 games. Aldgidge does not score 44.5 points a game on the road against "most PF's in this league in the low post". They basically almost lost the series right there. If Aldridge was scoring like 28 those games, it may not be a huge deal, but that's not the case. They gave up way more than they should have against Aldridge. The assignment didn't work and they had to switch it up to throw more Howard that way. And I don't believe for one second that Bosh would not have done a much better job than Jones. Bosh's advanced metrics would be great if he had Howard and Asik to fall back on.

As for the "for the price" stuff... It is a fact that they are looking to offer up a max. If you have it available, it's sort of a waste to not try to use it. You could probably also argue that "for the price", we shouldn't go after Melo cause we have McDermott. There are a number of guys available right now and their most glaring needs in my opinion are PF and PG. They have money to spend, so spend it. Championship windows are not long for most teams.

The context of the conversation that you butted into was this:

but Houston would be soooooooo much better off with Bosh instead of Melo

I think landing an all-star PF is most important given their strengths and needs so I think Bosh is a way better way to spend that money than Melo. So no one said Melo is a great fit... but you're arguing that Bosh isn't a good way to spend which means you must think there are much better options (of which they are only actively recruiting Melo). If Houston didn't have money to spend, I can see why you wouldn't bother forcing an upgrade at PF. But this is a superstar league and you're just missing how big a deal it really is to upgrade Jones to Bosh.

The 3 point stuff is just nonsense. It's pretty obvious he plays that way because the system in Miami. Bosh was not at all a 3 point shooter in Toronto... very different player all together. His offensive skill have been bastardized to fit the role that Miami wants with Wade and LeBron.

And no one is giving up on Jones. Did I say to dump the guy? He'd be the primary guy coming in off the bench with Asik gone. Do you not understand that? He'd be their Taj Gibson. Once Bosh's effectiveness is no longer greater, you start Jones. You just don't want to be forced to start Jones cause you lack options. He's obviously not 100% ready to be a championship PF. Thankfully, you aren't a GM. Cause I would think all this explanation of that is not even a necessity.

[holv03]

Trade his rights...dont sign him. We can do that right?

We're negotiating a contract with him to play for the Bulls and it already sounds like they have most of it done:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/485092225655635968[/tweet]

kinda means we've moved off of melo no?

It doesn't mean that we have moved on from Melo. The Bulls are still in the race until Melo decides this weekend.

[Neusch23]

Has anyone figured out what our exact 4 year offer would be? I keep seeing Nick Friedell tweeting that it would be 4 year 70 million. There are yearly raises! Just seems like every total they list for the bulls is lower in total value than I think it should be......

[MeloBull]

Trade his rights...dont sign him. We can do that right?

We're negotiating a contract with him to play for the Bulls and it already sounds like they have most of it done:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/485092225655635968[/tweet]

kinda means we've moved off of melo no?

No. The bulls won't move on from melo until he announces he is going elsewhere.

I'm still convinced he is going back to NY but this delay gives me a smal ray of hope.

[MisterRoy]

Has anyone figured out what our exact 4 year offer would be? I keep seeing Nick Friedell tweeting that it would be 4 year 70 million. There are yearly raises! Just seems like every total they list for the bulls is lower in total value than I think it should be......

That's if we signed him outright. Fridell isn't creative enough to put together a S&T deal that pays him more. He's such the Debbie Downer of Chicago reporting.

[DaeDae]

Whatever you want to think about "The Decision" by LeBron, at-least he did not involve his wife and kids. This Carmelo thing is not only about basketball but LaLa and his kids feelings etc...

This made me LOL. How dare Carmelo consider his wife and child's feelings.

C'mon...you know what I mean. It is very, very tough to win championships in the NBA even with all the talent in the world. Off-course, his wife and kids are important. Is LeBron neglecting his wife and kids?

But, if you overplay that aspect if you goal is winning an NBA championship, then it shows it is not all about basketball. I understand if he had to move and play in the Turkish league for 15 years.

And, don't mistake me. It's his choice and there is nothing wrong in making sure his wife and kids's choices are more important than his basketball career. But, there is also a reason only maniacally focussed guys like MJ, Kobe have won a lot of championships compared to Barkley, Shaq etc..

Their franchises never put them in a position where they had to move to win.

[MoneyMitch]

So I walk up to my moms house to get ready for the BBQ and she brings out a picture of me when I was a kid

I'm like 3 I think at the time and I'm wearing nothing but Chicago Bulls gear from head to toe

I'm convinced at this point

Glad to hear your mother raised you right. The question is where did you go wrong and cross over to the dark side?

I was a Bulls fan at first, my dad changed all the locks on the house and told me come back when I got my sh*t together

Been a Knicks fan since that point

Irony in everything is my son is a Patriots fan I'm thinking about doing it to him lol but he's only 7

[Red Larrivee]

Has anyone figured out what our exact 4 year offer would be? I keep seeing Nick Friedell tweeting that it would be 4 year 70 million. There are yearly raises! Just seems like every total they list for the bulls is lower in total value than I think it should be......

There's too many different scenarios. Basically Chicago can offer Melo anywhere from $16 million right up to his first-year max. It just depends on a number of things and contracts going in and out.

These scenarios were easier to lay out in Melo Threads 1-5.

[IndianPlaya17]

Has anyone figured out what our exact 4 year offer would be? I keep seeing Nick Friedell tweeting that it would be 4 year 70 million. There are yearly raises! Just seems like every total they list for the bulls is lower in total value than I think it should be......

That's if we signed him outright. Fridell isn't creative enough to put together a S&T deal that pays him more. He's such the Debbie Downer of Chicago reporting.

None of these reporters know anything. They're just throwing out numbers and not including other alternatives. They all assuming signing outright.

[Chitownbulls]

I Think it could be a smokescreen. A couple days ago the Bulls had no clue Mirotic would come over. Now we already have a contract worked out for him. Whats the hurry to sign him?

A contract probably isn't worked out, but they see eye-to-eye on the biggest hurdles in a contract.

There's no hurry to sign him, but why wouldn't they? They want him here. You really think they rushed him over so they could trade him to the Knicks? Melo hasn't even made a decision yet. The Bulls don't operate like that.

We havent even got a answer from Melo yet.....once we do then we can sign him imo. i just think GarPax an Thibs are up to something. Im hoping lol All Melo has to say is I want the Bulls an hopefully we can make a trade.

[MoneyMitch]

So I walk up to my moms house to get ready for the BBQ and she brings out a picture of me when I was a kid

I'm like 3 I think at the time and I'm wearing nothing but Chicago Bulls gear from head to toe

I'm convinced at this point

Glad to hear your mother raised you right. The question is where did you go wrong and cross over to the dark side?

College when he was on his own. His mind got corrupted by "the man"

[MisterRoy]

It cracks me up the garbage they spew when they have no information.

[Red Larrivee]

We havent even got a answer from Melo yet.....once we do then we can sign him imo. i just think GarPax an Thibs are up to something. Im hoping lol All Melo has to say is I want the Bulls an hopefully we can make a trade.

If Gasol isn't coming, then trading Mirotic doesn't make much sense. Personally, I'd rather have Mirotic over Gasol in any scenario. I don't think them talking to Mirotic means anything more than the obvious.

[MeloMan85]

If the tweet comes across saying :Melo to the Bulls, people here are going to go freaking NUTS...