Rerisen wrote:No, that's what I said you need to follow closely. The idea being debated against there in the context of 'hands off' was that there is an isolationism solution. We just let them all kill each other, let more of the ME go down the drain and somehow we'll be better off.
Yes, and what I'm getting it is that your solution is more US military involvement, which I disagree with.
Certainly. But the Iraq War is done and we bear some responsibility for the aftermath now.
Only some, huh?
Our withdrawal certainly did make it easier for ISIS to take territory there because the Iraqi army was so weak. And if we fully disengage now, they will start growing again. I see no reasonable argument or evidence how that would be a good outcome for us, or for the middle east.
And how long would it have taken to install an effective government? Based on what evidence? And what resources would that have taken?
If you can reasonably answer those three questions, you'll be the first person on planet earth to have done so and you should run for president.
If washing our hands was the best solution I would be for it. You should ask why the whole world is upset and you'll see there is more to it than internal US bickering.
If you remember most of Europe was against our involvement in the Iraq War.
And they were absolutely right.
And despite it turned into the mess they foresaw, they then led the charge to oust Gaddafi
And that has led to a failed state, allowing ISIS to grow.
and are now leading the charge to try and solve Syria, with the president of France claiming they will 'lead' the counter offensive. Why are they doing that? Because when millions of people are on your doorstep due to the crisis, and three times as many more still displaced that could arrive, turning a blind eye doesn't work.
Good for them. They can do whatever they want.
I'm talking about what the US should do and why. Thus far, repeating the platitute of "turning a blind eye doesn't work" literally does nothing for me.
Like I said before, you are almost word-for-word saying the same exact things that led us to the Iraq War, led us to bombing Libya, and led us to arming Assad's enemies, i.e., ISIS. In other words, the policies enacted by the US for the past 10 years have been driven by people with your mindset, and those policies have been unmitigated disasters.
I can't stress how disastrous they have been, so it really needs to be highlighted. Thousands of innocent lives killed, trillions of dollars wasted, countless rights stripped from US citizens, and what do we have to show for it?
It is not in our interest to see a peaceful Europe overwhelmed and stirred into political conflict by mass migration. Not even in the most selfish economic sense.
Again, doing nothing for me.
We need to stop pretending there is an easy solution.
I'm not saying there's an easy solution. What I am saying is that repeating the failed policies of the past
is not the solution, yet it is constantly hailed as the only solution.
