PG: Screwed the pooch

[Hangtime84]

Butler is not clutch
Butler has little offensive game other than driving into fouls, if he doesnt get the call its a 50/50 turnover
Butler is a ballstopper that calls for the ball then realizes he has nowhere to go so he does that spin around on his pivot foot thing searching for someone to desperately pass it to
Butler is a worse iso machine than rose was

Even in his good (boxscore) games I didnt like him. Real stars look smooth, they are naturals, every single one of his shots looks like hes forcing 150% of effort and the form is all off and it just looks bad. His game wont evolve well, because it isnt really game. Its extreme but trade him for some good young pieces or firsts and bring in cp3/griffin


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Bruh what...Yes Jimmy is learning how to be superstar in the league.

We have game film from this year discrediting that idea.

As far as going young. Our "GREAT Coach" Thibs is struggling to get the Wolves to play 2 good halves of basketball.

[Bulls03]

On the bright side we're still on pace for 50 wins and seem to be hitting our stride, I guess we'll really see tomorrow. This teams reaction to the loss in tomorrow's game will say a lot about them. I don't expect a win but I hope I'm wrong.

[pduh01]

Oh and one more thing I didn't mention Jimmy needs to play better I thought he was forcing things to much on offense, and takes some bad shots that isn't helping. I did think he did a good job defensively at least, and getting to the foul line so there is that.

[RSP83]

On the bright side, we are pushing Bobby to develop quicker. Worst case, we learn quickly that he's not that good, and we can send him as part of trade package for Cousins.

[push]

Butler is not clutch
Butler has little offensive game other than driving into fouls, if he doesnt get the call its a 50/50 turnover
Butler is a ballstopper that calls for the ball then realizes he has nowhere to go so he does that spin around on his pivot foot thing searching for someone to desperately pass it to
Butler is a worse iso machine than rose was

Even in his good (boxscore) games I didnt like him. Real stars look smooth, they are naturals, every single one of his shots looks like hes forcing 150% of effort and the form is all off and it just looks bad. His game wont evolve well, because it isnt really game. Its extreme but trade him for some good young pieces or firsts and bring in cp3/griffin


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Bruh what...Yes Jimmy is learning how to be superstar in the league.

We have game film from this year discrediting that idea.

As far as going young. Our "GREAT Coach" Thibs is struggling to get the Wolves to play 2 good halves of basketball.

Jimmy is not a superstar, he is an allstar solely because of the numbers he puts up, but watching him play, it doesnt even look like hes even that.

I don't know about the players on the wolves but are they all young? We have some vets, i didnt say go all young. Anyway, theyre them, you cant make assumptions for everything based on one team


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[Bulls03]

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Maybe he should've told them to give him a call every now and then.

[pduh01]

Marc Davis is always known as a one of the worst officials who shouldn't be in the league as the officials. I'm be so happy whenever he is retired which probably be a long period of time.

[kingkirk]

the "only just lose" part happened as the bulls worst rotation player got minutes over arguably the team's most valuable big man. people are raging because hoiberg let matchups bully him into benching a good player and playing a terrible player.

"lopez is a worse matchup" is an understandable argument to make, but like...we saw what happened when portis was in. it was really really bad. it's not an understandable argument to say "this matchup is so terrible that it is not even worth exploring the possibility that our good player would be more productive than our terrible guy"

I'm sorry, but did the Bulls blow a 19 point lead in the 2nd quarter or the 4th quarter?

Playing Portis isn't a solution, neither is Lopez. Sometimes, there isn't a solution. That's why matchups are important. Sometimes team's just **** on you without a reliable counter existing.

Lopez cant handle stretch bigs or guard in PNR. This isn't hard. That leaves Mirotic, which this entire board was **** on during the game thread. So what's the play here?

There's isn't one. Tough break.

[pduh01]

You play Felico, or you try to go small change things, give them lot of different looks you don't stick with one thing long period of time when things are not working for you.

[FriedRise]

Y'all wanna see Blake dance? He's got such nice footwork.

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Foul my ass.

[BeatDaCavs420]

Butler is not clutch
Butler has little offensive game other than driving into fouls, if he doesnt get the call its a 50/50 turnover
Butler is a ballstopper that calls for the ball then realizes he has nowhere to go so he does that spin around on his pivot foot thing searching for someone to desperately pass it to
Butler is a worse iso machine than rose was

Even in his good (boxscore) games I didnt like him. Real stars look smooth, they are naturals, every single one of his shots looks like hes forcing 150% of effort and the form is all off and it just looks bad. His game wont evolve well, because it isnt really game. Its extreme but trade him for some good young pieces or firsts and bring in cp3/griffin


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[RedBulls23]

Y'all wanna see Blake dance? He's got such nice footwork.

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Foul my ass.

Traveled and then flopped.

[Bulls03]

I just brushed my teeth so hard after that loss. So frustrating.

[Hangtime84]

Butler is not clutch
Butler has little offensive game other than driving into fouls, if he doesnt get the call its a 50/50 turnover
Butler is a ballstopper that calls for the ball then realizes he has nowhere to go so he does that spin around on his pivot foot thing searching for someone to desperately pass it to
Butler is a worse iso machine than rose was

Even in his good (boxscore) games I didnt like him. Real stars look smooth, they are naturals, every single one of his shots looks like hes forcing 150% of effort and the form is all off and it just looks bad. His game wont evolve well, because it isnt really game. Its extreme but trade him for some good young pieces or firsts and bring in cp3/griffin


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Bruh what...Yes Jimmy is learning how to be superstar in the league.

We have game film from this year discrediting that idea.

As far as going young. Our "GREAT Coach" Thibs is struggling to get the Wolves to play 2 good halves of basketball.

Jimmy is not a superstar, he is an allstar solely because of the numbers he puts up, but watching him play, it doesnt even look like hes even that.

I don't know about the players on the wolves but are they all young? We have some vets, i didnt say go all young. Anyway, theyre them, you cant make assumptions for everything based on one team


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You other teams around the league who have young guys aren't winning many games either.

Lakers 7-6
Suns 4-10
Magic 6-7
Utah 7-7
Pistons 6-8
Bucks 5-7

Who have a mix group of vets and young guys. One of those teams are over .500. it's only by 1 game Maybe the Bucks but that depends on improvements of Parker and their rookie Maker not being a bust.

The bulls have 8 guys 3 years or less in the league:
Grant
Valentine
McDermott
Portis
Felicio
Niko
Hunter
Zipser

Some how this team is 8-5

This board has a melt down anytime one of them gets extended minutes. Young players are going to do what young players do be inconsistent. We will be a 4 or 5 seed unless one of these young players breaks out and becomes more consistent

[RedBulls23]

You other teams around the league who have young guys aren't winning many games either.

Lakers 7-6
Suns 4-10
Magic 6-7
Utah 7-7
Pistons 6-8
Bucks 5-7

Who have a mix group of vets and young guys. One of those teams are over .500. it's only by 1 game Maybe the Bucks but that depends on improvements of Parker and their rookie Maker not being a bust.

The bulls have 8 guys 3 years or less in the league:
Grant
Valentine
McDermott
Portis
Felicio
Niko
Hunter
Zipser

Some how this team is 8-5

This board has a melt down anytime one of them gets extended minutes. Young players are going to do what young players do be inconsistent. We will be a 4 or 5 seed unless one of these young players breaks out and becomes more consistent

I think it's safe to say that this team misses Doug right now off the bench. In general, getting Doug and MCW back should help the bench overall.

[Hangtime84]

You play Felico, or you try to go small change things, give them lot of different looks you don't stick with one thing long period of time when things are not working for you.

It's neither option our young bigs are gonna screw up and do stupid stuff. For them it's a marathon they need to improve over the season we need them ready for the playoffs.

Niko, Portis, AND Felico

[Bulls03]

You other teams around the league who have young guys aren't winning many games either.

Lakers 7-6
Suns 4-10
Magic 6-7
Utah 7-7
Pistons 6-8
Bucks 5-7

Who have a mix group of vets and young guys. One of those teams are over .500. it's only by 1 game Maybe the Bucks but that depends on improvements of Parker and their rookie Maker not being a bust.

The bulls have 8 guys 3 years or less in the league:
Grant
Valentine
McDermott
Portis
Felicio
Niko
Hunter
Zipser

Some how this team is 8-5

This board has a melt down anytime one of them gets extended minutes. Young players are going to do what young players do be inconsistent. We will be a 4 or 5 seed unless one of these young players breaks out and becomes more consistent

I think it's safe to say that this team misses Doug right now off the bench. In general, getting Doug and MCW back should help the bench overall.

Lucky for us I think they both come back after the trip. Then we can really get going.

[Mk0]

Portis is awful. We saw his future tonight with Mo Speights. Mo tonight is was as good as Bobby could hope to be.

I like Mo as a "Channing Frye" stretch 4 off the bench. I don't really want to deal with the 6+ years it took for him to become that. OG Bobby Portis needs to be part of a deal at the deadline.

[nomorezorro]

Playing Portis isn't a solution, neither is Lopez. Sometimes, there isn't a solution. That's why matchups are important. Sometimes team's just **** on you without a reliable counter existing.

the thing is, only one of these non-solutions was actually tried, and it was a disaster

a few things:

-matchups work two ways. if lopez cleans up on the offensive glass against speights, maybe mo doesn't play the entire fourth quarter.
-there are two sides of the ball, and portis was bad on the other one, too. it's hard to justify leaving in a non-factor offensively, particularly when your main offensive weapon is struggling!
-you can't just say "ah we're in a bad situation and there's no way to counter this" for 14 straight minutes. the matchup was demonstrably not working out in the bulls' favor for an extended period of time and hoiberg didn't try anything different.

I acknowledge it's 100% possible that bringing in lopez - or niko, or going small - would have also gone poorly and the bulls would have ended up losing anyway. but you cannot convince me that playing bobby was the best option no matter what, because they didn't try anything else

[pduh01]

You play Felico, or you try to go small change things, give them lot of different looks you don't stick with one thing long period of time when things are not working for you.

It's neither option our young bigs are gonna screw up and do stupid stuff. For them it's a marathon they need to improve over the season we need them ready for the playoffs.

Niko, Portis, AND Felico

Niko & Portis will do stupid stuff especially Niko Felico he just have a hard time catching the damn ball nowadays.

But other then that I agree with you.