Jimmy Butler Trade - Why and Ideas

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Rondo/Payne/Canaan
Grant/Wade/Thornwell
Butler/Zipser/Valentine
Mirotic/Portis/Kuzma
Lopez/Felicio/Lauvergne

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Rondo/Payne/Canaan
Grant/Wade/Thornwell
Butler/Zipser/Valentine
Mirotic/Portis/Kuzma
Lopez/Felicio/Lauvergne

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Rondo/Payne/Canaan
Grant/Wade/Thornwell
Butler/Zipser/Valentine
Mirotic/Portis/Kuzma
Lopez/Felicio/Lauvergne

If Wade moves to the bench, Valentine or Zipser will be placed in the starting 5.

Grant may be traded, for what? who knows but I don't believe he's apart of the plans.

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Rondo/Payne/Canaan
Grant/Wade/Thornwell
Butler/Zipser/Valentine
Mirotic/Portis/Kuzma
Lopez/Felicio/Lauvergne

If Wade moves to the bench, Valentine or Zipser will be placed in the starting 5.

Grant may be traded, for what? who knows but I don't believe he's apart of the plans.

What makes you think Grant isn't a part of their plans?

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Rondo/Payne/Canaan
Grant/Wade/Thornwell
Butler/Zipser/Valentine
Mirotic/Portis/Kuzma
Lopez/Felicio/Lauvergne

If Wade moves to the bench, Valentine or Zipser will be placed in the starting 5.

Grant may be traded, for what? who knows but I don't believe he's apart of the plans.

What makes you think Grant isn't a part of their plans?

They traded for Cameron Payne, who will be the #2 PG next season. I don't see where he fits. Plus if they draft a guard in the draft(Monte Morris in round 2), he'll move down further on the depth chart.

[rowseyna]

If Wade moves to the bench, Valentine or Zipser will be placed in the starting 5.

Grant may be traded, for what? who knows but I don't believe he's apart of the plans.

What makes you think Grant isn't a part of their plans?

They traded for Cameron Payne, who will be the #2 PG next season. I don't see where he fits. Plus if they draft a guard in the draft(Monte Morris in round 2), he'll move down further on the depth chart.

I don't believe they've decided (much less said) who'll be the backup PG next season (we don't even know who the starter will be, yet). So that's premature. It's not hard to see the many places he could fit. Maybe he'll be the starting PG. Maybe he'll be the backup. Maybe they'll play him at SG. Maybe he'll just be a young, cheap, third-stringer. Just because we don't know doesn't mean he likely won't be around. And then "if" they draft another G is just that... "if." And "if" they do in the second round, I highly doubt that second-round rookie is going to play over Jerian Grant. In fact, probably no rookie at #16 or lower is going to play over Jerian Grant as a rookie. Grant just had a good season, is still young, and still has two years left on his deal at a super cheap total of $4.3M. I highly doubt he's going anywhere.

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What makes you think Grant isn't a part of their plans?

They traded for Cameron Payne, who will be the #2 PG next season. I don't see where he fits. Plus if they draft a guard in the draft(Monte Morris in round 2), he'll move down further on the depth chart.

I don't believe they've decided (much less said) who'll be the backup PG next season (we don't even know who the starter will be, yet). So that's premature. It's not hard to see the many places he could fit. Maybe he'll be the starting PG. Maybe he'll be the backup. Maybe they'll play him at SG. Maybe he'll just be a young, cheap, third-stringer. Just because we don't know doesn't mean he likely won't be around. And then "if" they draft another G is just that... "if." And "if" they do in the second round, I highly doubt that second-round rookie is going to play over Jerian Grant. In fact, probably no rookie at #16 or lower is going to play over Jerian Grant as a rookie. Grant just had a good season, is still young, and still has two years left on his deal at a super cheap total of $4.3M. I highly doubt he's going anywhere.

Grant will pretty much a insurance player if the is indeed on the roster next season. K.C. and Mark Schanowski agree on that.

If any team offers anything for him, I believe he will be gone. They will give Payne every opportunity to be the #2 PG.

[rowseyna]

They traded for Cameron Payne, who will be the #2 PG next season. I don't see where he fits. Plus if they draft a guard in the draft(Monte Morris in round 2), he'll move down further on the depth chart.

I don't believe they've decided (much less said) who'll be the backup PG next season (we don't even know who the starter will be, yet). So that's premature. It's not hard to see the many places he could fit. Maybe he'll be the starting PG. Maybe he'll be the backup. Maybe they'll play him at SG. Maybe he'll just be a young, cheap, third-stringer. Just because we don't know doesn't mean he likely won't be around. And then "if" they draft another G is just that... "if." And "if" they do in the second round, I highly doubt that second-round rookie is going to play over Jerian Grant. In fact, probably no rookie at #16 or lower is going to play over Jerian Grant as a rookie. Grant just had a good season, is still young, and still has two years left on his deal at a super cheap total of $4.3M. I highly doubt he's going anywhere.

Grant will pretty much a insurance player if the is indeed on the roster next season. K.C. and Mark Schanowski agree on that.

If any team offers anything for him, I believe he will be gone. They will give Payne every opportunity to be the #2 PG.

No disrespect, but it kind of just sounds like you're making stuff up or just passing off your opinion as fact. Perhaps you have a link to something with K.C. saying Grant won't be more than an insurance player next year? I haven't heard anything of the sort. Is whatever K.C. and Mark said the reason you think Payne will definitely be given opportunities before/over Grant? And again, even if Payne is the backup PG, that'd doesn't preclude Grant from being the starter or playing at SG.

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This is the right thing to say at this point, regardless of what your actual position is.

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I don't believe they've decided (much less said) who'll be the backup PG next season (we don't even know who the starter will be, yet). So that's premature. It's not hard to see the many places he could fit. Maybe he'll be the starting PG. Maybe he'll be the backup. Maybe they'll play him at SG. Maybe he'll just be a young, cheap, third-stringer. Just because we don't know doesn't mean he likely won't be around. And then "if" they draft another G is just that... "if." And "if" they do in the second round, I highly doubt that second-round rookie is going to play over Jerian Grant. In fact, probably no rookie at #16 or lower is going to play over Jerian Grant as a rookie. Grant just had a good season, is still young, and still has two years left on his deal at a super cheap total of $4.3M. I highly doubt he's going anywhere.

Grant will pretty much a insurance player if the is indeed on the roster next season. K.C. and Mark Schanowski agree on that.

If any team offers anything for him, I believe he will be gone. They will give Payne every opportunity to be the #2 PG.

No disrespect, but it kind of just sounds like you're making stuff up or just passing off your opinion as fact. Perhaps you have a link to something with K.C. saying Grant won't be more than an insurance player next year? I haven't heard anything of the sort. Is whatever K.C. and Mark said the reason you think Payne will definitely be given opportunities before/over Grant? And again, even if Payne is the backup PG, that'd doesn't preclude Grant from being the starter or playing at SG.

From K.C. http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-jerian-grant-young-bulls-evaluation-20170516-story.html

Don’t be surprised to hear his name in trade rumors as he currently projects to be the third point guard behind Rajon Rondo and Cameron Payne. His team-friendly contract could keep him around as low-cost insurance.

From Mark: http://www.csnchicago.com/chicago-bulls/nba-buzz-dont-expect-roster-overhaul-bulls-summer

With the expected return of Rondo next season, look for Payne to be the back-up at point guard, with Jerian Grant a possible trade candidate. Grant fell completely out of the rotation at the end of the playoff series against Boston, and it's unlikely the Bulls would want to bring him back as the third string point guard, with little hope of consistent playing time.

[rowseyna]

Grant will pretty much a insurance player if the is indeed on the roster next season. K.C. and Mark Schanowski agree on that.

If any team offers anything for him, I believe he will be gone. They will give Payne every opportunity to be the #2 PG.

No disrespect, but it kind of just sounds like you're making stuff up or just passing off your opinion as fact. Perhaps you have a link to something with K.C. saying Grant won't be more than an insurance player next year? I haven't heard anything of the sort. Is whatever K.C. and Mark said the reason you think Payne will definitely be given opportunities before/over Grant? And again, even if Payne is the backup PG, that'd doesn't preclude Grant from being the starter or playing at SG.

From K.C. http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-jerian-grant-young-bulls-evaluation-20170516-story.html

Don’t be surprised to hear his name in trade rumors as he currently projects to be the third point guard behind Rajon Rondo and Cameron Payne. His team-friendly contract could keep him around as low-cost insurance.

From Mark: http://www.csnchicago.com/chicago-bulls/nba-buzz-dont-expect-roster-overhaul-bulls-summer

With the expected return of Rondo next season, look for Payne to be the back-up at point guard, with Jerian Grant a possible trade candidate. Grant fell completely out of the rotation at the end of the playoff series against Boston, and it's unlikely the Bulls would want to bring him back as the third string point guard, with little hope of consistent playing time.

Fair enough. You're not just making this stuff up. I hadn't read those before. There are some interesting tidbits in there that backup my proposal of starting him at SG, though...

He shot the ball well from 3-point range when he started... He becomes a confident 3-point shooter when given consistent minutes... His team-friendly contract could keep him around...

I think starting him at SG (along with Rondo, Jimmy, Niko, and RoLo) makes for a very nice starting lineup where Grant can just focus on playing defense and shooting threes. I also think having Wade come off the bench with Cameron Payne makes sense for Wade, Payne, and that whole second unit.

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No disrespect, but it kind of just sounds like you're making stuff up or just passing off your opinion as fact. Perhaps you have a link to something with K.C. saying Grant won't be more than an insurance player next year? I haven't heard anything of the sort. Is whatever K.C. and Mark said the reason you think Payne will definitely be given opportunities before/over Grant? And again, even if Payne is the backup PG, that'd doesn't preclude Grant from being the starter or playing at SG.

From K.C. http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-jerian-grant-young-bulls-evaluation-20170516-story.html

Don’t be surprised to hear his name in trade rumors as he currently projects to be the third point guard behind Rajon Rondo and Cameron Payne. His team-friendly contract could keep him around as low-cost insurance.

From Mark: http://www.csnchicago.com/chicago-bulls/nba-buzz-dont-expect-roster-overhaul-bulls-summer

With the expected return of Rondo next season, look for Payne to be the back-up at point guard, with Jerian Grant a possible trade candidate. Grant fell completely out of the rotation at the end of the playoff series against Boston, and it's unlikely the Bulls would want to bring him back as the third string point guard, with little hope of consistent playing time.

Fair enough. You're not just making this stuff up. I hadn't read those before. There are some interesting tidbits in there that backup my proposal of starting him at SG, though...

He shot the ball well from 3-point range when he started... He becomes a confident 3-point shooter when given consistent minutes... His team-friendly contract could keep him around...

I think starting him at SG (along with Rondo, Jimmy, Niko, and RoLo) makes for a very nice starting lineup where Grant can just focus on playing defense and shooting threes. I also think having Wade come off the bench with Cameron Payne makes sense for Wade, Payne, and that whole second unit.

While I share your belief that Grant is a decent asset, and certainly deserves playing time over Payne, I also agree that the tea leaves do not bode well for Jerian. He started for a while last spring, and then, without any real explanation or reason, was demoted. Then he performed poorly in the playoffs. Just seems like the Bulls have decided that he is not a long term Bulls player.

Moreover, your lineup has Grant starting and Valentine playing third string. I would say that the likelihood of both of those two things happening is close to zero.

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No disrespect, but it kind of just sounds like you're making stuff up or just passing off your opinion as fact. Perhaps you have a link to something with K.C. saying Grant won't be more than an insurance player next year? I haven't heard anything of the sort. Is whatever K.C. and Mark said the reason you think Payne will definitely be given opportunities before/over Grant? And again, even if Payne is the backup PG, that'd doesn't preclude Grant from being the starter or playing at SG.

From K.C. http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-jerian-grant-young-bulls-evaluation-20170516-story.html

Don’t be surprised to hear his name in trade rumors as he currently projects to be the third point guard behind Rajon Rondo and Cameron Payne. His team-friendly contract could keep him around as low-cost insurance.

From Mark: http://www.csnchicago.com/chicago-bulls/nba-buzz-dont-expect-roster-overhaul-bulls-summer

With the expected return of Rondo next season, look for Payne to be the back-up at point guard, with Jerian Grant a possible trade candidate. Grant fell completely out of the rotation at the end of the playoff series against Boston, and it's unlikely the Bulls would want to bring him back as the third string point guard, with little hope of consistent playing time.

Fair enough. You're not just making this stuff up. I hadn't read those before. There are some interesting tidbits in there that backup my proposal of starting him at SG, though...

He shot the ball well from 3-point range when he started... He becomes a confident 3-point shooter when given consistent minutes... His team-friendly contract could keep him around...

I think starting him at SG (along with Rondo, Jimmy, Niko, and RoLo) makes for a very nice starting lineup where Grant can just focus on playing defense and shooting threes. I also think having Wade come off the bench with Cameron Payne makes sense for Wade, Payne, and that whole second unit.

In this scenario, is Grant starting over Wade? That strikes me as a virtually impossible option.

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This is the right thing to say at this point, regardless of what your actual position is.

Agreed. Except it's a 99% certainty that this is the actual position of the Spineless Duo.

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This is the right thing to say at this point, regardless of what your actual position is.

Agreed. Except it's a 99% certainty that this is the actual position of the Spineless Duo.

Yup.

And even if they keep Butler, their spinelessness will prevent them from aggressively building a team around him. Instead, it appears we will continue on the path to mediocrity, with just enough to be contenders for the playoffs, while simultaneously trying to develop young players into future back end rotation pieces. Can't wait to add Luke Kennard and a C who falls to them at 38 into the already-too-large mix of young players that need development minutes.

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What does everybody think about a trade for Melo? RoLo, Niko, and Grant? Would we need to include #16? Could there be some way of doing it without including RoLo?

Rondo/Payne/Canaan
Butler/Wade/Thornwell
Zipser/Valentine/Morrow
Melo/Portis/Kuzma
Felicio/Lauvergne

[jmajew]

What does everybody think about a trade for Melo? RoLo, Niko, and Grant? Would we need to include #16? Could there be some way of doing it without including RoLo?

Rondo/Payne/Canaan
Butler/Wade/Thornwell
Zipser/Valentine/Morrow
Melo/Portis/Kuzma
Felicio/Lauvergne

P-Jax has ruined any trade value Melo has. If Melo is traded it will be for peanuts. Sending them #16 would be too much at this point. Also I wouldn't trade RoLo for him at this point.

[sco]

What does everybody think about a trade for Melo? RoLo, Niko, and Grant? Would we need to include #16? Could there be some way of doing it without including RoLo?

Rondo/Payne/Canaan
Butler/Wade/Thornwell
Zipser/Valentine/Morrow
Melo/Portis/Kuzma
Felicio/Lauvergne

The Knicks are my 2nd fav team, and I've thought about Melo here. I think the answer is quickly becoming: "Wait for NY to want him gone so much that they'll pay us to take him" (via including young talent as part of package). I think it will take til the deadline.

Also, Niko can't be included during off-season, can he?

[BR0D1E86]

What does everybody think about a trade for Melo? RoLo, Niko, and Grant? Would we need to include #16? Could there be some way of doing it without including RoLo?

Rondo/Payne/Canaan
Butler/Wade/Thornwell
Zipser/Valentine/Morrow
Melo/Portis/Kuzma
Felicio/Lauvergne

The answer to any question that involves trading for Melo, with any qualifier that follows it, is that I don't like it.

[3noD]

What would the Celtics need to add to the 2018 Nets pick for Jimmy? Just curious as to who'd you guys want back.

Brown, Rozier and Smart.


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