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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#161 » by coldfish » Thu Apr 9, 2020 10:56 pm

Dresden wrote:From the NYT today:

"The report sent to the White House also struck a cautionary note: “Given that countries currently in ‘summer’ climates, such as Australia and Iran, are experiencing rapid virus spread, a decrease in cases with increases in humidity and temperature elsewhere should not be assumed,” it said.

Pandemics do not behave the same way seasonal outbreaks do. For the National Academies’ report, researchers looked at the history of flu pandemics as an example. “There have been 10 influenza pandemics in the past 250-plus years — two started in the Northern Hemisphere winter, three in the spring, two in the summer and three in the fall,” the report said. “All had a peak second wave approximately six months after emergence of the virus in the human population, regardless of when the initial introduction occurred.”


Don't mean to pick on you but the NYT. Whomever wrote that was an idiot. Australia has done fantastically. The average temperature in Iran in January when the virus broke out is below freezing. The words in that quote are so stupid it almost looks like an onion article.

https://en.climate-data.org/asia/russian-federation/north-ossetia-alania/iran-295960/

I wouldn't assume anything but there is a boatload of data right now that points to the virus not doing well during summer conditions. In the US, 9 of the 10 worst states are up north with the only exception being Mardi Gras fed Louisiana.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#162 » by Dez » Thu Apr 9, 2020 11:03 pm

TallDude wrote:
Dez wrote:
Dresden wrote:From the NYT today:

"The report sent to the White House also struck a cautionary note: “Given that countries currently in ‘summer’ climates, such as Australia and Iran, are experiencing rapid virus spread, a decrease in cases with increases in humidity and temperature elsewhere should not be assumed,” it said.

Pandemics do not behave the same way seasonal outbreaks do. For the National Academies’ report, researchers looked at the history of flu pandemics as an example. “There have been 10 influenza pandemics in the past 250-plus years — two started in the Northern Hemisphere winter, three in the spring, two in the summer and three in the fall,” the report said. “All had a peak second wave approximately six months after emergence of the virus in the human population, regardless of when the initial introduction occurred.”


We aren't experiencing rapid virus spread........


Uh.. your are just getting started this virus. Now it is up to Trump and also every invidiual. I trust more invidial than mr. Trump. After trump personally want that Europe take a step back. We don`t need him. Russia is too weak for Europea Military and economy also. Italy have same size of economy as Russia. So not much. Our economic will be strong anyway in Europea. Atleast northern europea. Promlem is Italy, Spain and Greece mostly. It has always been like that. After Trump is gone i like to take step forward. Happy to give Spain Etc. money if they start doing job/s and not just benefit North. There can not be resteraunt every corner???


I'm not American dude.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#163 » by dice » Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:08 am

countries like brazil, china, russia and probably india are obviously under-reporting, and testing is variable everywhere, but based on the reported data, here are the infection rates by major nation (infections per 100K pop.):

453 iceland
328 spain
278 switzerland
237 italy
216 belgium
182 france
147 austria
141 germany
137 portugal
133 ireland
129 USA
128 netherlands
116 norway
115 israel
101 denmark
97 UK
88 sweden
79 iran
55 canada
52 czech rep.
50 turkey
47 finland
31 chile
30 UAE
26 n zealand
24 australia
22 dominican
20 s korea
19 greece
16 peru
15 poland
9 saudi arabia
9 brazil
7 russia
6 china
4 ukraine
4 argentina
4 philippines
4 japan
3 s africa
3 iraq
2 mexico
2 pakistan
0.5 india
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#164 » by dice » Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:23 am

and by US state:

768 NY
534 NJ
366 LA
246 CT
238 MA
204 DC/MI
137 RI
127 PA
119 IL/WA
115 DE
102 MD
98 CO/GA
97 VT
88 IN
76 MS
75 NV
71 FL
69 ID
64 TN
60 UT
58 NH
54 MO
51 AL
50 SC
47 VA/WI
44 OH/SD
43 CA
41 NM
40 ME/WY
39 OK
37 AZ/KS
36 IA
35 AR/NC
33 MT/ND
32 TX
31 AK
30 KY
29 OR
27 HI/NE
23 WV
22 MN
19 PR
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#165 » by dice » Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:24 am

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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#166 » by chitowndish » Fri Apr 10, 2020 11:51 am

Someone really needs to explain to Trump that the way that you get the economy started is to have testing to know who has had the virus and recovered because those people can go about their business, once you know the rates in the overall population that tells you when and how and where it makes more sense to start opening things up.

Basically he's fighting testing because he's afraid of bad news hurting the economy but it's the main thing that can help the economy is actually knowing where we are in this thing. He's trying to protect the economy by suppressing the main thing that the economy needs is for people to feel comfortable going out. If he tries to go out there too early to declare things safe (like he already started to try to do for easter and is now hinting at end of this month) a lot of people may simply not care or listen to him (I wouldn't) and if we are still early in this process or people ease up in the wrong area that can backfire in catastrophic ways.

It's scary because we have a guy in charge that doesn't care about the truth he tries to weave his own truth but that doesn't work against a pandemic like it would against a political opponent. It's a problem he just isn't equipped to deal with and his answer is going to be to keep feeding money to the problem which isn't going to fix things, he's treating the symptom not the cause and the longer he doesn't treat the cause the worst the symptoms are going to become regardless of how much money he throws at it.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#167 » by Dresden » Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:05 pm

chitowndish wrote:Someone really needs to explain to Trump that the way that you get the economy started is to have testing to know who has had the virus and recovered because those people can go about their business, once you know the rates in the overall population that tells you when and how and where it makes more sense to start opening things up.

Basically he's fighting testing because he's afraid of bad news hurting the economy but it's the main thing that can help the economy is actually knowing where we are in this thing. He's trying to protect the economy by suppressing the main thing that the economy needs is for people to feel comfortable going out. If he tries to go out there too early to declare things safe (like he already started to try to do for easter and is now hinting at end of this month) a lot of people may simply not care or listen to him (I wouldn't) and if we are still early in this process or people ease up in the wrong area that can backfire in catastrophic ways.

It's scary because we have a guy in charge that doesn't care about the truth he tries to weave his own truth but that doesn't work against a pandemic like it would against a political opponent. It's a problem he just isn't equipped to deal with and his answer is going to be to keep feeding money to the problem which isn't going to fix things, he's treating the symptom not the cause and the longer he doesn't treat the cause the worst the symptoms are going to become regardless of how much money he throws at it.


To that point:

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/bill-gates-coronavirus-testing-200344998.html

Microsoft (MSFT) founder and billionaire Bill Gates warns that America needs to get its coronavirus testing sorted quickly — until then, “we’re in big trouble.”

Coronavirus in the U.S. is “still completely mis-prioritized,” Gates told CNBC on Thursday.

“The natural thing would be to do like South Korea did, and create a unified system — that we haven't gotten any interest from the federal level,” Gates said. “The thinking is to create a website that you go in and enter your situation and it would give you a priority number, and then hopefully all the people who control the capacity limit the priority level that they accept, so they're giving these very quick results and to the right people.”

And “until we have that, we're in big trouble,” he stressed, “because as a percentage of 330 million [Americans], we're not going to be able to test many people … [and] we need to know that number because that deeply affects rebounds when opening up. And there is some data that suggests it's not a gigantic number but very, very important to pin that down.”
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#168 » by Dresden » Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:35 pm

One reason we are so short on N95 masks- the technology in them is a lot more advanced than you might think:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/key-material-behind-shortage-n95-203932905.html
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#169 » by MrSparkle » Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:49 pm

Pretty much a scientific mess, which more or less was entirely expected when you have a bunch of climate science deniers, anti-EPA, anti-education, birthers and conspiracy theorists put in major administration roles.

This Hydroxychloroquine/Zinc fake-news debacle is just another headache to deal with. It's one thing for doctors in desperate situations (like NY or Italy) to try the cocktail as a last-resort measure for patients with very dangerous COVID symptoms (and who also don't have heart issues which make the drug potentially lethal), but to pedal it into the "fanbase" with super small-sample field studies (36 people for christ's sake, not randomized, and a lop-sided control group, in that French "study") by what appear to be mostly "maverick" quack doctors (look up these guys, the "LA Doctor", Zelensky, Raoult). Their credentials are extremely suspicious while they contradict the statements by almost every prominent infectious disease expert.

The problem is that you have a bunch of fools believing this as truth, so they applaud Trump's decision to invest big on this drug concoction and re-open businesses country-wide next May. It's madness. The data suggests that the drug can help as much as aspirin can help the common cold, albeit with more dangerous side effects (and more dangerous symptoms).

FWIW, every "smart"/High-IQ tech/medical expert seems to keep emphasizing the importance of testing and quarantining.

Which honestly, makes sense. Quarantine and prevention has solved EVERY viral epidemic in the history of mankind, not pills. Vaccines can greatly prevent future outbreaks, but they are not and perhaps will never be 100% proof against a virus, since by nature they mutate and adapt. And we know the earliest a vaccine would be "ready" would be at least 1 year from now. So "pills" shouldn't even be on the table for official policy, especially not without the proper evaluation.

To not have 50 states on-board with a simple 2-4 week lockdown, and not have an "economic freeze" strategy to quickly get in and out of this, is just beyond comprehension. It's like Trump took BoyGarPax's tank-and-compete playbook.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#170 » by moorhosj » Fri Apr 10, 2020 6:16 pm

Dresden wrote:
moorhosj wrote:
Dresden wrote:Has anyone heard when the hell we're supposed to get more test kits? from what I understand, staying at home doesn't really get us anywhere other than it relieves pressure on the hospitals, unless we also test at the same time, to know who has it or not, so that they can remain quarantined while the rest go back to work. But it doesn't seem like we're getting anywhere on the testing front, and it's been well over a month since we've known that testing is a key part of this effort.


Right on time https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/08/829955099/federal-support-for-coronavirus-testing-sites-end-as-peak-nears:
Some local officials are disappointed the federal government will end funding for coronavirus testing sites this Friday. In a few places those sites will close as a result. This as criticism continues that not enough testing is available.


Unbelievably stupid move. We should be doing everything we can to promote more testing.


Looks like they reversed the decision on Thursday, thankfully. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-trump-administration-has-reversed-its-decision-to-cut-federal-resources-for-coronavirus-testing-sites/ar-BB12oVCA
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#171 » by transplant » Fri Apr 10, 2020 6:36 pm

On a more lighthearted note, I just got my sports fix by watching an elite athlete work out from the comfort of my back deck while drinking beer and smoking a good cigar. I'm fortunate enough to have one of the best under-18 girls hockey players in the world, Abbey Murphy, as my next door neighbor. This is from a couple years ago:


She was in gym shoes and shooting off her concrete driveway, but it was very entertaining. She's a great kid and amazingly talented (has a Patrick-Kane type game). There's a good chance that she'll be moved up to the US National Team for the 2022 Winter Olympics.

She's one of the many HS seniors in the US who is going to be denied a proper prom and graduation because of this f'in virus. I feel for her and all of the rest of these kids.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#172 » by Dresden » Fri Apr 10, 2020 8:09 pm

transplant wrote:On a more lighthearted note, I just got my sports fix by watching an elite athlete work out from the comfort of my back deck while drinking beer and smoking a good cigar. I'm fortunate enough to have one of the best under-18 girls hockey players in the world, Abbey Murphy, as my next door neighbor. This is from a couple years ago:


She was in gym shoes and shooting off her concrete driveway, but it was very entertaining. She's a great kid and amazingly talented (has a Patrick-Kane type game). There's a good chance that she'll be moved up to the US National Team for the 2022 Winter Olympics.

She's one of the many HS seniors in the US who is going to be denied a proper prom and graduation because of this f'in virus. I feel for her and all of the rest of these kids.


Are you the next door neighbor that she saw roller blading that inspired her to take up hockey???
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#173 » by transplant » Fri Apr 10, 2020 8:14 pm

Dresden wrote:
transplant wrote:On a more lighthearted note, I just got my sports fix by watching an elite athlete work out from the comfort of my back deck while drinking beer and smoking a good cigar. I'm fortunate enough to have one of the best under-18 girls hockey players in the world, Abbey Murphy, as my next door neighbor. This is from a couple years ago:


She was in gym shoes and shooting off her concrete driveway, but it was very entertaining. She's a great kid and amazingly talented (has a Patrick-Kane type game). There's a good chance that she'll be moved up to the US National Team for the 2022 Winter Olympics.

She's one of the many HS seniors in the US who is going to be denied a proper prom and graduation because of this f'in virus. I feel for her and all of the rest of these kids.


Are you the next door neighbor that she saw roller blading that inspired her to take up hockey???

I'm 66...no, I wasn't her inspiration. It was the kid across the street...also a great kid.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#176 » by ImSlower » Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:19 pm

Another close friend lost a loved one today out in New York. This one was especially rough for me, as he was one of those joyful souls whom everyone always has a great story about, beloved by all that knew him. I met his mother one time, at a Manhattan dive. My friend is a heavy metal guitar player type, lot of tats and skull rings and all that. He brings in this incredibly sweet, old-fashioned-dressed Italian matron into a joint with 15 day drunks of all types and creeds. She was a riot, broken English peppered with Italian to my friend, while she sipped the only Aperol Spritzer I bet that bartender ever had to make. For ages we regulars joked about how we always wanted her back in that bar for an afternoon. She fought hard the past two weeks, but simply couldn't overcome the secondary issues that COVID fights alongside.

My apologies that I've little to offer for positivity, just a bit sad today. I know several realGMers have suffered tragedy, and perhaps they, like me, have a nice little place here to read about basketball for a little while. The Bulls moving fast in the news has been a very, very welcome bit of fun reading and speculating for all of us. I'm glad we're seeing some disenfranchised former posters returning, once this is all over, perhaps we'll be one of the more hyped up news stories of the next (?) season!
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#177 » by Dresden » Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:24 pm

ImSlower wrote:Another close friend lost a loved one today out in New York. This one was especially rough for me, as he was one of those joyful souls whom everyone always has a great story about, beloved by all that knew him. I met his mother one time, at a Manhattan dive. My friend is a heavy metal guitar player type, lot of tats and skull rings and all that. He brings in this incredibly sweet, old-fashioned-dressed Italian matron into a joint with 15 day drunks of all types and creeds. She was a riot, broken English peppered with Italian to my friend, while she sipped the only Aperol Spritzer I bet that bartender ever had to make. For ages we regulars joked about how we always wanted her back in that bar for an afternoon. She fought hard the past two weeks, but simply couldn't overcome the secondary issues that COVID fights alongside.

My apologies that I've little to offer for positivity, just a bit sad today. I know several realGMers have suffered tragedy, and perhaps they, like me, have a nice little place here to read about basketball for a little while. The Bulls moving fast in the news has been a very, very welcome bit of fun reading and speculating for all of us. I'm glad we're seeing some disenfranchised former posters returning, once this is all over, perhaps we'll be one of the more hyped up news stories of the next (?) season!


Sorry to hear about the death of this lady. People like her are what make us remember what a privilege it is to be alive each day.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#178 » by Lunartic » Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:07 am

MrSparkle wrote:Prettyconspiracy theorists put in major administration roles.

This Hydroxychloroquine/Zinc fake-news debacle is just another headache to deal with. It's one thing for doctors in desperate situations (like NY or Italy) to try the cocktail as a last-resort measure for patients with very dangerous COVID symptoms (and who also don't have heart issues which make the drug potentially lethal), but to pedal it into the "fanbase" with super small-sample field studies (36 people for christ's sake, not randomized, and a lop-sided control group, in that French "study") by what appear to be mostly "maverick" quack doctors (look up these guys, the "LA Doctor", Zelensky, Raoult). Their credentials are extremely suspicious while they contradict the statements by almost every prominent infectious disease expert.
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What are you talking about?

Hydrochloriquine is already being used all over the world including South Korea (doctors there have credited it with their low death rate) The USA is using it in NY as well.

You're spreading false information.

Hydrochloriquine is obviously not going to cure everyone but there is great efficacy in using it combined with an antibiotic.

I understand you believing that Trump might be shilling it in order to restore hope in curbing Covid deaths but why would the French President and China and South Korea, India, Japan and multiple other countries be using it to great effect?
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Post#179 » by Susan » Sun Apr 12, 2020 2:29 am

ImSlower wrote:Another close friend lost a loved one today out in New York. This one was especially rough for me, as he was one of those joyful souls whom everyone always has a great story about, beloved by all that knew him. I met his mother one time, at a Manhattan dive. My friend is a heavy metal guitar player type, lot of tats and skull rings and all that. He brings in this incredibly sweet, old-fashioned-dressed Italian matron into a joint with 15 day drunks of all types and creeds. She was a riot, broken English peppered with Italian to my friend, while she sipped the only Aperol Spritzer I bet that bartender ever had to make. For ages we regulars joked about how we always wanted her back in that bar for an afternoon. She fought hard the past two weeks, but simply couldn't overcome the secondary issues that COVID fights alongside.

My apologies that I've little to offer for positivity, just a bit sad today. I know several realGMers have suffered tragedy, and perhaps they, like me, have a nice little place here to read about basketball for a little while. The Bulls moving fast in the news has been a very, very welcome bit of fun reading and speculating for all of us. I'm glad we're seeing some disenfranchised former posters returning, once this is all over, perhaps we'll be one of the more hyped up news stories of the next (?) season!


I'm so sorry for your loss my man. I'm happy you're around and chatting with us and that for a moment we have something else to think about besides this giant mess.
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Post#180 » by musiqsoulchild » Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:22 am

Lunartic wrote:
MrSparkle wrote:Prettyconspiracy theorists put in major administration roles.

This Hydroxychloroquine/Zinc fake-news debacle is just another headache to deal with. It's one thing for doctors in desperate situations (like NY or Italy) to try the cocktail as a last-resort measure for patients with very dangerous COVID symptoms (and who also don't have heart issues which make the drug potentially lethal), but to pedal it into the "fanbase" with super small-sample field studies (36 people for christ's sake, not randomized, and a lop-sided control group, in that French "study") by what appear to be mostly "maverick" quack doctors (look up these guys, the "LA Doctor", Zelensky, Raoult). Their credentials are extremely suspicious while they contradict the statements by almost every prominent infectious disease expert.
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What are you talking about?

Hydrochloriquine is already being used all over the world including South Korea (doctors there have credited it with their low death rate) The USA is using it in NY as well.

You're spreading false information.

Hydrochloriquine is obviously not going to cure everyone but there is great efficacy in using it combined with an antibiotic.

I understand you believing that Trump might be shilling it in order to restore hope in curbing Covid deaths but why would the French President and China and South Korea, India, Japan and multiple other countries be using it to great effect?



The great effect part is massively exaggerated.

I have ACTUALLY used Quinine before. Twice. Once when I had Malaria in India as a 13 year old. Near death experience for 20 days.

And second, when I traveled to Africa at age 27.

Neither of those experiences with Quinine were fun. Maybe it did prevent me from getting Malaria, but I would be very weary of just pushing a drug as a Hail Mary and then touting it as the main offense.

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