2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2

[Jcool0]

Did you read my post? Most NBA players don’t peak at 22 years old so he has plenty of time to develop into a player worthy of the #2 pick.

Or hear me out. He does not improve anymore and ends up a disappointment. Because that is the more likely outcome.

Based on what? I’d say he’s much more likely to improve his production than regress at his age.

When Lonzo Ball was drafted - a lot of the comparisons were to Jason Kidd. If you compare their first three seasons they’re nearly identical. Was Jason Kidd a bust?

Jason Kidd was Rookie of the Year and an All-Star in his first two seasons. Kidd also didn't develop a reliable 3 point shot till he was 31. That is not the norm.

[wonderboy2]

LaMelo's shooting form is literally a chest pass towards the rim. That sh*t is not "fixable" in any way whatsoever.

Lol Shawn Marions was worse and he became decent.

1. No it wasn't
2. No he didn't
3. Why the hell would you even want a point guard with Shawn Marion's jumpshot. That is basically Russell Westbrook with none of the athleticism, which would be a straight up awful player.

True centers without any versatility, guards who can't shoot a lick, it sounds like people here want to clone Wendell Carter and Kris Dunn instead of actually draft anybody who fits the 2020s NBA.

Shawn Marions jumpshot was ugly as hell. But he turn into an ok shooter. I don’t give a damn how your form looks if you work hard on it and it starts to go in who the **** cares. Kevin Martin, Michael Redd, Derrick Fisher all had ugly shooting forms but it worked for them.

[Leslie Forman]

Shawn Marions jumpshot was ugly as hell. But he turn into an ok shooter. I don’t give a damn how your form looks if you work hard on it and it starts to go in who the **** cares. Kevin Martin, Michael Redd, Derrick Fisher all had ugly shooting forms but it worked for them.

It isn't just "ugly," it's literally being launched underneath his freaking chin.

And, you know, it most certainly does not seem to go in much.

Haliburton's funky shot can be talked about like that. Not some kid who shoots 25% from 3 and has literally the lowest release point of anybody in NBA history.

[Senor Chang]

It's sad when some of the projected role players in the lottery are looking better than the so-called franchise players. I'd rather have elite role players on my team than pseudo stars who will get overpaid.

[Jvaughn]

LaMelo's shooting form is literally a chest pass towards the rim. That sh*t is not "fixable" in any way whatsoever.

While I'm not a Ball fan or an advocate for drafting him, I strongly disagree with this statement. Shooting form can absolutely be fixed. Take a look at what a good shooting coach did to Kawhi's form. As a matter of fact take a look at most players the Spurs drafted. Just about all of them ended up being above average shooters.

[drosestruts]

When I look at these prospects. I actually see Ball and Wiseman having the most talent. Atleaet with Wiseman you know you are getting a good rebounder and shot blocker at the very least. I can see Ball averaging 8—10’assist a game in his prime. His vision is outstanding. I’ve been trying to talk myself into Hayes but just can’t see him turning more than just a serviceable pg. PGs that don’t have any burst or good outside shots usually don’t do well. I can see him getting clamped up in the NBA. Haliburton imo opinion is just as good of a passer if not better and a way better shooter. Haliburton is the better defender as well. I just can’t see the bulls taking someone like Hayes or Haliburton with the 4th pick.

What are you basing the "Atleaet with Wiseman you know you are getting a good rebounder and shot blocker at the very least" comment on? His 3 college games?

For Ball, only 6 players average over 8 assists per game this season. It's a bold claim to suggest someone will be joining those ranks.

As someone very much on the Haliburton bandwagon, if he's a good passer, shooter, defender, has good size, etc....... why not take him 4th? Like, those are the things you should be looking for in a draft.

I think Ball will be able to if he reaches his potential he has very good vision. I like Haliburton a lot but the thing is he has trouble making plays for himself. He also has trouble scoring off the bounce and shooting off the bounce. I like him but not at 4. If he was able to create for himself he would be my pick. He also lacks aggression. I want my point guards to be able to get buckets when needed. Look at all of the good Elite point guards. What do they have in common? They can get you buckets when they have to. Look at Lillard, Curry, Paul, Lowry, Walker, Irving. All of them are bucket getters. Brogdon who i hope Haliburton turns into can still shoot it off the bounce and take guys off the dribble when needed.

I agree with your view on what Haliburton's weaknesses are - making plays for himself, scoring and shooting off the bounce.

To me, Ball has those same weaknesses plus some more.

I guess it comes down to for me, the hope that Haliburton can improve upon his 3-4 weaknesses is greater than my hope that Ball can improve upon his 7-8 weaknesses.

[Rose2Boozer]

I was waiting for this to drop.
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[PlayerUp]

If we must take a PG I'd rather stand pat for Hayes over trading up for Ball. The shooting projects to improve/won't have to spend multiple offseasons rebuilding his mechanics, similar defensive upsides(Hayes is already a better team defender), both have elite playmaking potential out of the PnR. Ball's got the edge athletically, and on handles, but not to the degree that I can ignore that shot possibly never panning out or the horrific decision making.

Worth noting here next draft isn't expected to be a PG heavy draft. If we're going to upgrade the PG spot, we should consider this draft where we have 4+ point guards expected to go in the Top 10.

[PlayerUp]

Ball is a modern Shaun Livingston. He'll have a long career in the league and, hopefully for him, he finds a really good team he can catch on with to play a solid role and win a ring like Livingston did with Golden State.

Not worth the #2 pick.

Shaun Livingston career was derailed by injury. He never was the same after that injury.

[Chicagoat]

Read on Twitter

Move over LaMelo, you got some competition for the ugliest jump shot

[Chi town]

Ball is a modern Shaun Livingston. He'll have a long career in the league and, hopefully for him, he finds a really good team he can catch on with to play a solid role and win a ring like Livingston did with Golden State.

Not worth the #2 pick.

Shaun Livingston career was derailed by injury. He never was the same after that injury.

Shaun Livingston in this NBA would suck. Can’t shoot a lick and post ups aren’t smart offense anymore.

[Chi town]

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Move over LaMelo, you got some competition for the ugliest jump shot

That’s why I want Hayes over Hali and Melo.

Hali will be a lot like Pels Lonzo. He can’t shoot off the dribble from 3 or midrange. He has an awkward floater, finish and set shot 3. That greatly limits him as a threat and producer.

Hayes can score at all 3 levels. He has the body over Hali too.

[Leslie Forman]

LaMelo's shooting form is literally a chest pass towards the rim. That sh*t is not "fixable" in any way whatsoever.

While I'm not a Ball fan or an advocate for drafting him, I strongly disagree with this statement. Shooting form can absolutely be fixed. Take a look at what a good shooting coach did to Kawhi's form. As a matter of fact take a look at most players the Spurs drafted. Just about all of them ended up being above average shooters.

Kawhi's shot was not even remotely as bad as LaMelo's.

LaMelo's form needs to be thrown in the trash and he basically has to be re-taught from scratch how to shoot. Even Lonzo's wasn't as bad. It's going to take at least several years, and that's assuming it ever even actually happens.

[wolffy]

A good passing pg that offers average or below performance in other areas? Go get Ricky Rubio because thats the upside in todays NBA for that player.

[Chi town]

A good passing pg that offers average or below performance in other areas? Go get Ricky Rubio because thats the upside in todays NBA for that player.

Yep.

[Jvaughn]

LaMelo's shooting form is literally a chest pass towards the rim. That sh*t is not "fixable" in any way whatsoever.

While I'm not a Ball fan or an advocate for drafting him, I strongly disagree with this statement. Shooting form can absolutely be fixed. Take a look at what a good shooting coach did to Kawhi's form. As a matter of fact take a look at most players the Spurs drafted. Just about all of them ended up being above average shooters.

Kawhi's shot was not even remotely as bad as LaMelo's.

LaMelo's form needs to be thrown in the trash and he basically has to be re-taught from scratch how to shoot. Even Lonzo's wasn't as bad. It's going to take at least several years, and that's assuming it ever even actually happens.

I'm not sure if you realize how bad his form was at San Diego State. There's a reason he shot 25% in college from 3. His shot had to be completely changed. If you look at his shot from his freshman year to now, it doesn't even remotely look similar.

Lamelo's form definitely needs to be changed. His release point and his balance are the biggest issues. I really think you're making a bigger deal out of it than it is. I'm not saying it's a guarantee that he becomes a great shooter, but I'd be highly surprised if he wasn't able to become at least passable.

And Lonzo's for is 10X worse than his is. He shot the ball as a right hander from the left side of his head. Gilbert Arenas even had a video out where he broke down how he could never be an offensive threat because his form didn't allow him to shoot unless he was driving left. Lamelo doesn't have that type of issue.

[weneeda2guard]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2020-nba-mock-draft-obi-toppin-goes-to-warriors-at-no-2-ahead-of-lamelo-ball-to-hornets/amp/

Update mock has obi toppin to the warriors 2nd.

Has us taking okongwu. Ball to the hornets. Deni to Cleveland

Hard to see things playout like this

[Leslie Forman]

Lamelo's form definitely needs to be changed. His release point and his balance are the biggest issues. I really think you're making a bigger deal out of it than it is. I'm not saying it's a guarantee that he becomes a great shooter, but I'd be highly surprised if he wasn't able to become at least passable.

Am I in bizarro world or something? Why am I the only one who seems to notice how unfathomably bad this is?

Just look at this. Look. At. This.

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It isn't actually even a shooting form. He is literally passing the ball at the basket.

[PlayerUp]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2020-nba-mock-draft-obi-toppin-goes-to-warriors-at-no-2-ahead-of-lamelo-ball-to-hornets/amp/

Update mock has obi toppin to the warriors 2nd.

Has us taking okongwu. Ball to the hornets. Deni to Cleveland

Hard to see things playout like this

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2020-nba-mock-draft-obi-toppin-goes-to-warriors-at-no-2-ahead-of-lamelo-ball-to-hornets/

Not sure about this mock draft above.

Obi #2 - Not happening
Vassell #18 - Too low
Tillman #19 - Not happening

[Clint Eastwood]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2020-nba-mock-draft-obi-toppin-goes-to-warriors-at-no-2-ahead-of-lamelo-ball-to-hornets/amp/

Update mock has obi toppin to the warriors 2nd.

Has us taking okongwu. Ball to the hornets. Deni to Cleveland

Hard to see things playout like this

Hope it shakes out like this right up until we draft wiseman, or advija....