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The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall.

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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#161 » by Betta Bulleavit » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:34 am

Perhaps I overreacted a bit to this pick. I don’t mind him as a player at all. I just felt like we reached. Given the info that’s come out, maybe it wasn’t such a reach after all.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#162 » by Doofer » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:35 am

One player who continues to make a big jump is Patrick Williams out of Florida State, who has been the “big winner of the pre-Draft process” according to ESPN, and John Hollinger even points out a rumor that the Pistons have a “promise” in place for the versatile forward. That would mean the Hawks would have to pass on him, though, and right now both The Ringer and SI.com have him going to Atlanta at No. 6. Even though teams are relying on film and untraditional evaluations, it’s clear players have boosted their stock with good showings. Williams appears in the lottery in all but one of our mocks (Gary Parrish of CBS), but most often to the Spurs at No. 11 (four times).

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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#163 » by dougthonus » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:36 am

Betta Bulleavit wrote:Perhaps I overreacted a bit to this pick. I don’t mind him as a player at all. I just felt like we reached. Given the info that’s come out, maybe it wasn’t such a reach after all.


I think you can't worry about whether you reach or whether you could get him later. There weren't good trade down opportunities even if felt we could get him at #7. No one wanted to trade up 2 picks and give up something note worthy. So we take the guy we think is best. I don't think its Williams, but AKME did, and I'll wait and see.

As a parallel, if you took Jimmy Butler at #4 in his draft, people would have flipped tables and said you were nuts, but years later you wouldn't be complaining about the lack of trading down. The key is being right, and while I don't like this pick, if we're right in the long run the fact that I don't like it today will be irrelevant, and so I will hope that is the case.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#164 » by fleet » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:37 am

Betta Bulleavit wrote:Perhaps I overreacted a bit to this pick. I don’t mind him as a player at all. I just felt like we reached. Given the info that’s come out, maybe it wasn’t such a reach after all.

A reach in terms of being a mid round selection a week ago. But not in terms of stock price. He would have been gone immediately if we passed on him.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#165 » by dougthonus » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:38 am

TheSuzerain wrote:I think when you are picking as high as we were, you should be taking the player with the highest likelihood of becoming an all-star.

In that regard, I do think we failed. I think Okongwu clearly bests him there. Probably Hayes/Poku too.

He's still a solid pick, but feels more like a guy that you're happy drafting in the 6 - 10 range.


I think if you took Williams it is for that exact reason you stated. You think he's the high upside guy.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#167 » by MrSparkle » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:39 am

I didn't buy the rumor, but I guess the last few years these 24hr-window leaks have been spot-on. So here we are!

He's a risk, but he's a Draymond/Crowder type, no? His wing-span and weight are currently under specs to play C, but I have been complaining about the Bulls' lack of an athletic tweener forward for 10 years right now. It is actually incredible that this type of player has been off the Bull's radar for the entire decade.

While "old-school PF is dead", the hybrid forward is the most important position in basketball, period. These teams that could switch their forwards between PF and SF or C and not skip a beat, they're the ones winning chips and contending. He's gonna be able to guard Lebron, Tatum, Durant, Jimmy, Kawhi, George, Luka -- and he does have a base of handling, shooting and pass skills.

Honestly, Deni/Hayes/Hali all these intriguing guys, as we got closer to the draft, I started getting nervous we were gonna come away with a 6th man. Williams fits the NBA-playoff profile; he's got Iguodala wing-span and athleticism with a heavier weight-class. Also correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like Williams can palm the ball ala MJ/Kawhi. If he's got that going, then I'm double sold.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#168 » by fleet » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:39 am

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TankForAyton wrote:When is the last time a non-starting raw player like this panned out? Just confused.


I think it might have been Zach Lavine. IIRC he didn't start either.


Devin Booker I believe.

Not as a starter, but one Scottie Pippen says hello. With a Dennis Rodman honerable mention.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#169 » by Wingy » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:40 am

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D_GoLow wrote:Peeps need to chill.

Williams will get to play and contribute immediately.


At 19? As a bench warmer in college? Naw, don’t talk yourself into it, he’s a nobody with no experience. First year, here he’ll just sit on the bench behind Otto Porter and provide nothing.


Damn.

There goes our shot at the 2020-2021 NBA title. :roll:
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#170 » by fleet » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:40 am

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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#171 » by erlim » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:41 am

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I think it might have been Zach Lavine. IIRC he didn't start either.


Devin Booker I believe.

Not as a starter, but one Scottie Pippen says hello. With a Dennis Rodman honerable mention.


So yes, 33 or 34 years ago.
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Post#172 » by kodo » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:41 am

Feels similar to last year, Deandre Hunter was drafted as a multi-positional athletic defender with a 3 point shot. He went #4 in a much better draft.

Jury's out on whether Hunter at #4 was a good move.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#173 » by fleet » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:44 am

MrSparkle wrote:I didn't buy the rumor, but I guess the last few years these 24hr-window leaks have been spot-on. So here we are!

He's a risk, but he's a Draymond/Zion type, no? His wing-span and weight are currently under specs to play C, but I have been complaining about the Bulls' lack of an athletic tweener forward for 10 years right now. It is actually incredible that this type of player has been off the Bull's radar for the entire decade.

While "old-school PF is dead", the hybrid forward is the most important position in basketball, period. These teams that could switch their forwards between PF and SF or C and not skip a beat, they're the ones winning chips and contending. He's gonna be able to guard Lebron, Tatum, Durant, Jimmy, Kawhi, George, Luka -- and he does have a base of handling, shooting and pass skills.

Honestly, Deni/Hayes/Hali all these intriguing guys, as we got closer to the draft, I started getting nervous we were gonna come away with a 6th man. Williams has a chance to become an anchor. Also correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like Williams can palm the ball ala MJ/Kawhi. If he's got that going, then I'm double sold.

Positionless basketball is whats up. He’ll guard big wings and switch to help in the paint. I think the defense will really be turbocharged with him and WCJ pairings. And someone specifically mentioned that he has huge hands. Jerry Krause would love this.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#174 » by KissedByaRose1 » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:46 am

He's guna work his ass off and develop on Offense. I imagine he will develop a lot like Jaylen Brown did and at the end of it we'll have an all star. I have a lot of faith in AK and I hope Billy Donovan develops him correctly.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#175 » by Costa78 » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:46 am

kodo wrote:Feels similar to last year, Deandre Hunter was drafted as a multi-positional athletic defender with a 3 point shot. He went #4 in a much better draft.

Jury's out on whether Hunter at #4 was a good move.


Good comp with Deandre Hunter. Patrick will likely take a few years as he just turned 19. Hope it pans out.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#176 » by Brothaman33 » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:46 am

I'll wait and give him time. Watching video though...

He is a child.

Like, eyes wide open, looks like his brain is moving 100 miles an hour. He has soooooooooo much to work on.

Also, he is a good athlete, don't get me wrong. But I do not see ELITE athleticism. Laterally, I don't see elite. Good, maybe great leaper. Good speed, not great. If your gonna draft a high upside athlete, he had better be a elite at it. I don't think he is. He turned 19 in August. We'll have to wait 3 years before we actually see what we have.

I'll wait...
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Post#177 » by Magilla_Gorilla » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:46 am

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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#178 » by kulaz3000 » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:47 am

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That's cold man!! But funny.

That said, he won't be wearing number 4. That number is retired for Sloan.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#179 » by fleet » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:47 am

Costa78 wrote:
kodo wrote:Feels similar to last year, Deandre Hunter was drafted as a multi-positional athletic defender with a 3 point shot. He went #4 in a much better draft.

Jury's out on whether Hunter at #4 was a good move.


Good comp with Deandre Hunter. Patrick will likely take a few years as he just turned 19. Hope it pans out.

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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#180 » by jStuNNa » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:49 am

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jStuNNa wrote:Love the pick. Deni was my guy and I feel like a bunch of teams are going to regret passing on him, including the Bulls possibly.

But Williams feels like a great pick. If you're critiquing him only by YouTube highlights, watch full FSU games instead and you'll quickly realize he's a special talent.

You had the opportunity to watch a lot of FSU games? If so, what’s your analysis on him?


If you watch full games, you'll notice that he covers a lot of ground quickly. He's deceptively fast and explosive. It appears he's moving slowly one second, then all of a sudden he explodes to make a play and you're just like, 'wow, where did that come from?"

He rim protects AND gets out in passing lanes, even beyond the three point line... and he does so very effectively.

Offensively he has nice touch from the midrange and three point line. Honestly, he looks pretty smooth with the ball in his hands. He's definitely not raw offensively, but he if wants to take the next step, he'll need to continue developing his shot creation.

Overall, when you watch him during a lot of games, he stands out as the most naturally gifted player on the court... and that's on a FSU team that was really good.

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