Bulls Summer League

HINrichPolice · Post #161 » by **HINrichPolice** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 9:04 pm

Have to remind ourselves that Patrick Williams is STILL one of the youngest players on the floor.

Andi Obst · Post #162 » by **Andi Obst** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 9:06 pm

Not a lot of positives to take away from that one. Will interesting to see how Pat looks in game 2.

patagonia · Post #163 » by **patagonia** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 9:09 pm

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2016/7/19/12222310/cristiano-felicio-chicago-bulls-brazil-las-vegas-summer-league

Stratmaster · Post #164 » by **Stratmaster** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 9:10 pm

HomoSapien wrote:It would behoove us to find a competent backup behind Williams. A lot still has to happen for him to really be ready to contribute on a good team.

My (highly unpopular) opinion is PWill needs to be the 6th man splitting time between the 3 and 4.

But that will require a roster addition.

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Axl Rose · Post #165 » by **Axl Rose** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 9:14 pm

We suck. Seasons over. Blow it up!

Post #166 » by **kulaz3000** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 9:17 pm

Might I remind people that Patrick had 14 points, 9 rebounds and 3 assist at the half. Yeah, he wasn't that great in the second half, but he has never had to carry a bunch of scrubs on his shoulders either.

Honestly, I've said it a million times over the years, it's Summer League and it really doesn't matter. It's one of the worst indicators of how a player will play in the regular season. Hell, Patrick could score 50 points and it wouldn't get me excited. Just as it wouldn't scare me if he scored 2 points.

The only real tangible thing I've discovered is that Ayo needs a haircut.

Post #167 » by **DuckIII** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 9:34 pm

Sounds like Williams had a tough second half. I’m only 5 minutes into that half, but quick early impressions:

1. I’m glad he’s there, but Williams is completely beyond summer league talent. It continues to be clear to me that if he gets his head right, Williams is going to be a major star in a few years. What an incredible talent.

2. Simonovic looked very nice. Much more mobile than I expected and good offensive feel. Belongs.

3. Ayo. Belongs.

The three most important guys look good.

Post #168 » by **kulaz3000** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 9:36 pm

Watch on YouTube

Post #169 » by **dougthonus** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 9:36 pm

HINrichPolice wrote:Have to remind ourselves that Patrick Williams is STILL one of the youngest players on the floor.

We also should remind ourselves that there's a very good chance that Patrick Williams will ultimately not be more than a role player.

Post #170 » by **DuckIII** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 9:36 pm

Dominater wrote:Patrick is a Beta's beta. Awful draft selection. I can definitely see why this F.O. isn't going with the build by draft strategy.

This FO is absolutely in love with PW, and rightly so.

Minalt · Post #171 » by **Minalt** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 9:37 pm

I have zero concerns about PWill's "bad shooting half." The point was he got shots up and was active. Active being the KEY. This dude has a nice shot and one bad half in summer league means nothing.

Simonovic is a big add for us. X-Factor is a meme for Euro players, but he would be that.

Post #172 » by **dougthonus** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 9:39 pm

DuckIII wrote:
Dominater wrote:Patrick is a Beta's beta. Awful draft selection. I can definitely see why this F.O. isn't going with the build by draft strategy.

This FO is absolutely in love with PW, and rightly so.

I wouldn't say I'm on the polar opposite end of the spectrum in regards to Pat, but I'm not sure why you think the FO is in love with him more so than any FO is in love with their 1st round draft pick that had a pedestrian 1st season.

I will say it will likely be hard to get a good read on Pat this year. He's not likely going to have lots of chances to do much on offense other than be a role player unless he really, really exerts his will in a way that is the polar opposite of last year. Between LaVine, Vuc, DeRozan, Ball, and Coby, you've got five guys on the team that are likely going to put up a heck of a lot of shots.

Post #173 » by **DuckIII** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 9:40 pm

dougthonus wrote:
HINrichPolice wrote:Have to remind ourselves that Patrick Williams is STILL one of the youngest players on the floor.

We also should remind ourselves that there's a very good chance that Patrick Williams will ultimately not be more than a role player.

There’s about a 0.001% chance that happens. Do you still think he looks shorter and fatter?

Post #174 » by **DuckIII** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 9:43 pm

dougthonus wrote:
DuckIII wrote:
Dominater wrote:Patrick is a Beta's beta. Awful draft selection. I can definitely see why this F.O. isn't going with the build by draft strategy.

This FO is absolutely in love with PW, and rightly so.

I wouldn't say I'm on the polar opposite end of the spectrum in regards to Pat, but I'm not sure why you think the FO is in love with him more so than any FO is in love with their 1st round draft pick that had a pedestrian 1st season.

Starting him every game if his career, giving him the toughest defensive matchup every game, raving about him all the time, taking him to playoff games, having him basically play point guard in summer league and structure their entire summer squad around putting him in new spots to spread his diversity.

They love him. It’s really weird to suggest otherwise with zero alternative evidence available.

Post #175 » by **dougthonus** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 9:45 pm

DuckIII wrote:
dougthonus wrote:We also should remind ourselves that there's a very good chance that Patrick Williams will ultimately not be more than a role player.

There’s about a 0.001% chance that happens.

The odds of Pat Williams being only a role player are 1 in 10000? :rofl:

Okay. Were Lauri's odds also only .001% after his rookie year? Just wondering how many of these once in 10000 events will go against us.

Do you still think he looks shorter and fatter?

I don't think either of those things are true and didn't before as I said at the time, no reason to trust camera angles on some bad training footage.

mtron32 · Post #176 » by **mtron32** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 9:46 pm

dougthonus wrote:
HINrichPolice wrote:Have to remind ourselves that Patrick Williams is STILL one of the youngest players on the floor.

We also should remind ourselves that there's a very good chance that Patrick Williams will ultimately not be more than a role player.

If he's a productive role play, I have no problem with that, we should bring him along at his own pace regardless. It's when weird expectations get put on a player that they just may not be that guy, which is fine. Bulls fans have this savior complex where they want every player to be the superstar that brings them back to prominence yesterday.

Post #177 » by **kulaz3000** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 9:48 pm

I’m going to have to disagree with the people saying that he looks bigger. He came into the NBA with a solid build and he looks about the same, perhaps a little more toned. He just looks bigger in the summer league setting against players who just aren’t as built as him.

Portiseyes · Post #178 » by **Portiseyes** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 9:48 pm

I've said it in other threads but I think PWill's conditioning has been an ongoing issue. Too many games where he starts off nicely but then things go downhill and he's totally invisible in the 2nd half. While I'm not taking too much away from a summer league game, this first half / second half split shows me that this is still an ongoing issue. My dude needs to do some heavy cardio work like he's training for a marathon... he's got a v12 body and a 2 gallon gas tank. That and working on his dribble more important than these summer league games by a wide margin.

Stratmaster · Post #179 » by **Stratmaster** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 9:54 pm

kulaz3000 wrote:Might I remind people that Patrick had 14 points, 9 rebounds and 3 assist at the half. Yeah, he wasn't that great in the second half, but he has never had to carry a bunch of scrubs on his shoulders either.

Honestly, I've said it a million times over the years, it's Summer League and it really doesn't matter. It's one of the worst indicators of how a player will play in the regular season. Hell, Patrick could score 50 points and it wouldn't get me excited. Just as it wouldn't scare me if he scored 2 points.

The only real tangible thing I've discovered is that Ayo needs a haircut.

I agree the game means nothing.

But carrying a bunch of scrubs on his shoulders? He was playing against a bunch of scrubs. Imagine how Zach Lavine has felt for 2 seasons.

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MrSparkle · Post #180 » by **MrSparkle** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 9:54 pm

Pat looked good to me. Not so much as a playmaker- I'm not clinging to that fantasy. It's not his bag. Maybe some day much later in his career. Glad he's working on it. Meanwhile, he's gonna be a 5th option, Swiss-army knife on this team, and I have a hard time thinking he's going to suck at that. You do look at his FSU-doppel Scottie Barnes... I see a more natural baller. Pat is very mechanical and raw - honestly I don't expect him to become some kind of Kawhi point-forward. He's got some particular things he can potentially become elite at (shooting in iso, defending, rebounding, drawing fouls). This talk about making him a secondary playmaker SF (let alone first), they're off-base. I think he'll be good this year at PF.

Dotson and Ayo kinda reminded me of the Blakeney, Dunn, Jerian variety. Ayo looked rusty but he's obviously going to be a utilitarian defensive guard; I think he'll come around. Dotson just hasn't done it for me this game nor last year. Quick and strong little dude, but he's got zero vision. Not sure I care to keep him but the roster is thin so it's not gonna be hard to get a Bulls reserve spot.

Marko looked as expected. That drop coverage is gonna be an easy bucket on him every time. I expect him to be a DNP/spot-minute guy. But his offense isn't bad. He's obviously gonna have to shoot 3Ps and rebound, which he can do, and he's good at taking the ball up. Small niche role.

Baxter looks like a jump freak. I like that.

Otherwise, seemed like a summer roster with a bunch of 2nd rd and undrafted pickups. I.E. very little talent.

Trey Murphy looked really good. Will keep an eye on that fella.

Summer league is all a crap-shoot. Bo Outlaw, Valentine the champion, Felicio's monster debut, Derrick Rose getting outclassed by Michael Beasley. It's all a fruitless game to draw any conclusions whatsoever. Most the time the main guys have some specific development goal they're focused on, while basically going through some motions as 10 other very aggressive young guys desperately try to show off and get a job.