Lonzo Ball discussion thread

Jcool0 · Post #161 » by **Jcool0** » Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:04 am

Lets get him that all-star nod.

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Clocian · Post #162 » by **Clocian** » Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:07 am

Jcool0 wrote:Lets get him that all-star nod.

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Speaking of...when does voting actually start?

Jcool0 · Post #163 » by **Jcool0** » Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:08 am

Clocian wrote:
Jcool0 wrote:Lets get him that all-star nod.

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Speaking of...when does voting actually start?

Dec. 25 to Jan. 22.

BullChit · Post #164 » by **BullChit** » Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:32 am

I just heard somebody say this of Lonzo and I shook my head and then agreed like Alonzo Mourning on the bench.

"Lonzo is the anti Westbrook"

waffle · Post #165 » by **waffle** » Tue Dec 21, 2021 6:58 am

Lonzo does things that help a team win. He does them instinctively

t-time · Post #166 » by **t-time** » Tue Dec 21, 2021 9:18 am

AKME masterstroke. Amazing addition to the team.

MalagaBulls · Post #167 » by **MalagaBulls** » Tue Dec 21, 2021 9:29 am

Above all, his work ethic impresses me. His ability to refine his shot mechanics tells me he can put in the work to improve his driving/finishing & midrange game.

TheFinishSniper · Post #168 » by **TheFinishSniper** » Tue Dec 21, 2021 12:58 pm

I never imagined prior offseason to see the day where Lonzo Ball wears Bulls uniform and plays really well. We live in that timeline. Guy is just great fit to this team.

sco · Post #169 » by **sco** » Tue Dec 21, 2021 1:28 pm

MalagaBulls wrote:Above all, his work ethic impresses me. His ability to refine his shot mechanics tells me he can put in the work to improve his driving/finishing & midrange game.

speaking of his finishing, he seemed to be finding some success last night.

Post #170 » by **DuckIII** » Tue Dec 21, 2021 1:51 pm

sco wrote:
MalagaBulls wrote:Above all, his work ethic impresses me. His ability to refine his shot mechanics tells me he can put in the work to improve his driving/finishing & midrange game.

speaking of his finishing, he seemed to be finding some success last night.

He’s been finishing, going iso and popping the mid-range a little more recently. I don’t think these things will ever be his game but I have no doubt he will continue to add in these areas over time. One of the reasons I considered him the “absolutely must have no questions asked” target of last summer was that he’s proven he will bust his ass to expand his game and shore up weaknesses.

He’s humble. Which is kinda funny considering his dad’s personality. And on that note, shout out to Lavar Ball for keeping his pie hole shut and letting Zo’s career just happen.

BullChit · Post #171 » by **BullChit** » Tue Dec 21, 2021 2:07 pm

DuckIII wrote:
sco wrote:
MalagaBulls wrote:Above all, his work ethic impresses me. His ability to refine his shot mechanics tells me he can put in the work to improve his driving/finishing & midrange game.

speaking of his finishing, he seemed to be finding some success last night.

He’s been finishing, going iso and popping the mid-range a little more recently. I don’t think these things will ever be his game but I have no doubt he will continue to add in these areas over time. One of the reasons I considered him the “absolutely must have no questions asked” target of last summer was that he’s proven he will bust his ass to expand his game and shore up weaknesses.

He’s humble. Which is kinda funny considering his dad’s personality. And on that note, shout out to Lavar Ball for keeping his pie hole shut and letting Zo’s career just happen.

LaVar built his boys up physically, mentally and from a media standpoint and then he seems to have wonderfully trailed off and let his boys Ball... I have a lot more respect for the man now days than I used to.... And I watched his WWE appearance live as it happened so I can't believe I have any respect for him after that.

MalagaBulls · Post #172 » by **MalagaBulls** » Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:03 pm

DuckIII wrote:
sco wrote:
MalagaBulls wrote:Above all, his work ethic impresses me. His ability to refine his shot mechanics tells me he can put in the work to improve his driving/finishing & midrange game.

speaking of his finishing, he seemed to be finding some success last night.

He’s been finishing, going iso and popping the mid-range a little more recently. I don’t think these things will ever be his game but I have no doubt he will continue to add in these areas over time. One of the reasons I considered him the “absolutely must have no questions asked” target of last summer was that he’s proven he will bust his ass to expand his game and shore up weaknesses.

He’s humble. Which is kinda funny considering his dad’s personality. And on that note, shout out to Lavar Ball for keeping his pie hole shut and letting Zo’s career just happen.

It will be interesting to compare his midrange & finishing stats a year from now.

MGB8 · Post #173 » by **MGB8** » Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:14 pm

DuckIII wrote:
sco wrote:
MalagaBulls wrote:Above all, his work ethic impresses me. His ability to refine his shot mechanics tells me he can put in the work to improve his driving/finishing & midrange game.

speaking of his finishing, he seemed to be finding some success last night.

He’s been finishing, going iso and popping the mid-range a little more recently. I don’t think these things will ever be his game but I have no doubt he will continue to add in these areas over time. One of the reasons I considered him the “absolutely must have no questions asked” target of last summer was that he’s proven he will bust his ass to expand his game and shore up weaknesses.

He’s humble. Which is kinda funny considering his dad’s personality. And on that note, shout out to Lavar Ball for keeping his pie hole shut and letting Zo’s career just happen.

This may also be a side-benefit of the DeRozan addition. From what I can see, players learn as much, if not more, from other players than they do from coaches - at least the players that really work on improving their games.

Post #174 » by **Senor Chang** » Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:25 pm

MGB8 wrote:
DuckIII wrote:
sco wrote:speaking of his finishing, he seemed to be finding some success last night.

He’s been finishing, going iso and popping the mid-range a little more recently. I don’t think these things will ever be his game but I have no doubt he will continue to add in these areas over time. One of the reasons I considered him the “absolutely must have no questions asked” target of last summer was that he’s proven he will bust his ass to expand his game and shore up weaknesses.

He’s humble. Which is kinda funny considering his dad’s personality. And on that note, shout out to Lavar Ball for keeping his pie hole shut and letting Zo’s career just happen.

This may also be a side-benefit of the DeRozan addition. From what I can see, players learn as much, if not more, from other players than they do from coaches - at least the players that really work on improving their games.

You kinda also notice it with Zach as well. He tries to imitate Lonzo's risky passes from time to time.

Post #175 » by **Senor Chang** » Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:35 pm

Lonzo doesn't have the quickest first step so improving his midrange will unlock the rest of his half-court game. With a solid mid-range jumper he will have more drives to the basket for easy layups. He will have more opportunity to rack up assists because he isn't just standing at the 3-point line. He will evolve from a 3 n D point guard to a true half-court point guard.

TheSuzerain · Post #176 » by **TheSuzerain** » Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:36 pm

Senor Chang wrote:Lonzo doesn't have the quickest first step so improving his midrange will unlock the rest of his half-court game. With a solid mid-range jumper he will have more drives to the basket for easy layups. He will have more opportunity to rack up assists because he isn't just standing at the 3-point line. He will evolve from a 3 n D point guard to a true half-court point guard.

No. Don't make him inefficient.

TheSuzerain · Post #177 » by **TheSuzerain** » Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:38 pm

Senor Chang wrote:Lonzo doesn't have the quickest first step so improving his midrange will unlock the rest of his half-court game. With a solid mid-range jumper he will have more drives to the basket for easy layups. He will have more opportunity to rack up assists because he isn't just standing at the 3-point line. He will evolve from a 3 n D point guard to a true half-court point guard.

No. Don't make him inefficient.

madvillian · Post #178 » by **madvillian** » Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:57 pm

Senor Chang wrote:Lonzo doesn't have the quickest first step so improving his midrange will unlock the rest of his half-court game. With a solid mid-range jumper he will have more drives to the basket for easy layups. He will have more opportunity to rack up assists because he isn't just standing at the 3-point line. He will evolve from a 3 n D point guard to a true half-court point guard.

Eh, I don't really want him to try and turn into a mid range guy. I think he might consider adding a floater but that's really the only development I'd want from him. Maybe a little turnaround game but that is really hard to add, it took an incredibly talented scorer like Zach a few years to add it. He just needs to keep working on his handle that's what will open things up more for him in the halfcourt. He has a functional handle but it's not where he has it on a string like the elite ball handlers.

Post #179 » by **CBS7** » Tue Dec 21, 2021 6:07 pm

Lonzo (and Caruso to a lesser extent) is a case study in why boxscore watching doesn't tell anywhere near the entire story. He's only putting up 13/5/5 and a 14 PER, but his actual impact goes well beyond that.

sco · Post #180 » by **sco** » Tue Dec 21, 2021 6:08 pm

madvillian wrote:
Senor Chang wrote:Lonzo doesn't have the quickest first step so improving his midrange will unlock the rest of his half-court game. With a solid mid-range jumper he will have more drives to the basket for easy layups. He will have more opportunity to rack up assists because he isn't just standing at the 3-point line. He will evolve from a 3 n D point guard to a true half-court point guard.

Eh, I don't really want him to try and turn into a mid range guy. I think he might consider adding a floater but that's really the only development I'd want from him. Maybe a little turnaround game but that is really hard to add, it took an incredibly talented scorer like Zach a few years to add it. He just needs to keep working on his handle that's what will open things up more for him in the halfcourt. He has a functional handle but it's not where he has it on a string like the elite ball handlers.

Yeah, just having him add the ability to make uncontested layups would be enough for me.