Vuc Trade Thread

[Guru]

I like Vuc. I like Zach. I don't REALLY want to take another teams trash for them but that seems to be the only path forward.

Picks, ANY PICKS need to be included. Expiring contracts. I can't see us getting any FRP's? But who knows. Desperate teams will do desperate things and convince themselves that they make sense

The other way forward is to not trade them.

[Dez]

I like Vuc. I like Zach. I don't REALLY want to take another teams trash for them but that seems to be the only path forward.

Picks, ANY PICKS need to be included. Expiring contracts. I can't see us getting any FRP's? But who knows. Desperate teams will do desperate things and convince themselves that they make sense

The other way forward is to not trade them.

Sure, if you want to be stuck in NBA hell.

[dougthonus]

I like Vuc. I like Zach. I don't REALLY want to take another teams trash for them but that seems to be the only path forward.

Picks, ANY PICKS need to be included. Expiring contracts. I can't see us getting any FRP's? But who knows. Desperate teams will do desperate things and convince themselves that they make sense

The other way forward is to not trade them.

There is no limit to how many times we can miss the playoffs and still not acquire any high upside prospects under AKME.

[Guru]

I like Vuc. I like Zach. I don't REALLY want to take another teams trash for them but that seems to be the only path forward.

Picks, ANY PICKS need to be included. Expiring contracts. I can't see us getting any FRP's? But who knows. Desperate teams will do desperate things and convince themselves that they make sense

The other way forward is to not trade them.

Sure, if you want to be stuck in NBA hell.

There is an argument that they (especially Lavine) allow us to jumpstart a reset more quickly on the roster than off.

[dougthonus]

There is an argument that they (especially Lavine) allow us to jumpstart a reset more quickly on the roster than off.

What is that argument?

They may increase short term win totals (though even that is dicey), but they will not increase future assets which is required in a rebuild. In fact, the minutes they play will detract from our ability to play and develop other prospects.

[Muzbar]

I like Vuc. I like Zach. I don't REALLY want to take another teams trash for them but that seems to be the only path forward.

Picks, ANY PICKS need to be included. Expiring contracts. I can't see us getting any FRP's? But who knows. Desperate teams will do desperate things and convince themselves that they make sense

The other way forward is to not trade them.

That's what they've done the last 3 years, that team certainly hasn't moved forward...

[HomoSapien]

The quote about the definition of insanity being about doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results seems pertinent here...

[Guru]

The quote about the definition of insanity being about doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results seems pertinent here...

It does....that's a made up quote

[HomoSapien]

The quote about the definition of insanity being about doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results seems pertinent here...

It does....that's a made up quote

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[Guru]

There is an argument that they (especially Lavine) allow us to jumpstart a reset more quickly on the roster than off.

What is that argument?

They may increase short term win totals (though even that is dicey), but they will not increase future assets which is required in a rebuild. In fact, the minutes they play will detract from our ability to play and develop other prospects.

If they hit on a lottery pick this year they would be adding them to a veteran team vs a team of youth. That's undeniable.

It would be much better to add Flagg to this current roster than a roster of nincompoops.

Now I am actually on board with your argument that it's better to trade at the very least Vuc because he won't be here long enough for the rebuild anyway and his absence likely assures our lottery pick.

Both arguments exist. And there is a continuum across their poles.

[Dez]

There is an argument that they (especially Lavine) allow us to jumpstart a reset more quickly on the roster than off.

What is that argument?

They may increase short term win totals (though even that is dicey), but they will not increase future assets which is required in a rebuild. In fact, the minutes they play will detract from our ability to play and develop other prospects.

If they hit on a lottery pick this year they would be adding them to a veteran team vs a team of youth. That's undeniable.

It would be much better to add Flagg to this current roster than a roster of nincompoops.

Now I am actually on board with your argument that it's better to trade at the very least Vuc because he won't be here long enough for the rebuild anyway and his absence likely assures our lottery pick.

Both arguments exist. And there is a continuum across their poles.

Your "argument" does not exist, it just leaves us in the hole we're in.

Trade Vuc and LaVine plus White and start fresh.

Trade Ayo if someone offers an overpay.

[Muzbar]

The quote about the definition of insanity being about doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results seems pertinent here...

It does....that's a made up quote

??

Doesn't fit his narrative, therefore made up.

Aren't all quotes 'made up'?

[waffle]

The quote about the definition of insanity being about doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results seems pertinent here...

It does....that's a made up quote

??

Tis

Oft attribed to Einstein. He didn't say it

[waffle]

I mean, if our options are to trade Vuc or Z for another's trash, I can't say I am interested. Hey, they only have so many years left on those contracts afterall...

Are we likely to get any FRP? Truthfully? I doubt it.
Are we likely to get any useful youth back on good contracts? No

So what is the BEST we can hope for? Expirings. Lesser picks

Does that really move us forward? Other than the hope of keeping our upcoming pick?

AK has f'd the pooch a bit here. Rock and hard place and all that

[ChiTownHero1992]

Trading both at least forces a direction, right now and moving forward with them we will perpetually be in mediocrity. i guarantee it, sure keep them, add a lotto pick and what does it do? Take us from 36 wins to 40 wins and a first round exit....then next year they're a year older and go maybe 41 wins and first round exit....then what, we make the decision to retain Zach again on a giant unwarranted contract to "hope to build around him a 3rd time and hope it works out again...." worst decision we could make is keeping them.

[Onibuh]

I like Vuc. I like Zach. I don't REALLY want to take another teams trash for them but that seems to be the only path forward.

Picks, ANY PICKS need to be included. Expiring contracts. I can't see us getting any FRP's? But who knows. Desperate teams will do desperate things and convince themselves that they make sense

The other way forward is to not trade them.

Sure, if you want to be stuck in NBA hell.

they went with DeRozan who wasn't really that much of a fit. This year is different than that time.
Just go with this route, they won't committ to a full rebuild and I'm not sure they should. Trade Vuc, get a big back and just see how you can sell out games while getting better.
Trade PWill if you want.

I like this idea more than a full rebuild that won't amount to much.

I'd keep Lavine, I'd keep Ayo.

[robert76]

It does....that's a made up quote

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Tis

Oft attribed to Einstein. He didn't say it

But somebody did say it, so it is technically a quote.

[WesPeace]

We dont need to go full tank.. few trades and we go into small retool and would still be in worst 10 teams imho, to keep the pick.
Trading away Vooch, PWill, White, Craig, Carter, Terry, THT, Duarte.. for expirings and 2 rounders is good enough,if possible. Just shake the roster out already, it aint working..

But its not just roster issue with Bulls,its also below average coach and poor management.

[dougthonus]

If they hit on a lottery pick this year they would be adding them to a veteran team vs a team of youth. That's undeniable.

It would be much better to add Flagg to this current roster than a roster of nincompoops.

Now I am actually on board with your argument that it's better to trade at the very least Vuc because he won't be here long enough for the rebuild anyway and his absence likely assures our lottery pick.

Both arguments exist. And there is a continuum across their poles.

How do Vuc and Zach specifically, other than adding short term wins, help Flagg develop?

You can easily replace them with veteran mentor type players. Do you think Vuc and Zach are specifically elite at taking a guy under their wing and helping them reach their potential? I don't know that I would think that of either guy.

I'm not sure either guy is the "coach on the floor" type. Lonzo Ball would probably teach him more about basketball than these guys.

[ChiTownHero1992]

If they hit on a lottery pick this year they would be adding them to a veteran team vs a team of youth. That's undeniable.

It would be much better to add Flagg to this current roster than a roster of nincompoops.

Now I am actually on board with your argument that it's better to trade at the very least Vuc because he won't be here long enough for the rebuild anyway and his absence likely assures our lottery pick.

Both arguments exist. And there is a continuum across their poles.

How do Vuc and Zach specifically, other than adding short term wins, help Flagg develop?

You can easily replace them with veteran mentor type players. Do you think Vuc and Zach are specifically elite at taking a guy under their wing and helping them reach their potential? I don't know that I would think that of either guy.

I'm not sure either guy is the "coach on the floor" type. Lonzo Ball would probably teach him more about basketball than these guys.

100% in agreement with you....Zach has been "the leader and mentor of this team" for 7 years. Is Coby, Ayo, Williams, or anyone even close to the "potential" everyone clamored about when drafted? No....has Vuc helped that the last 3 years? Nope....if anything the only one that helped the young guys was DeRozan and he's gone! I also agree that Lonzo could be that guy and I'm not even a Lonzo fan!

The argument to keep Vuc / Zach as a mentor is insane in my opinion.