How much time does AK have?

[Jcool0]

30. Chicago Bulls

The Kings aspire to 46 or 47 wins. The Bulls seemingly aspire to 36 or 37. They very nearly occupied their own tier on this list and were an obvious choice for No. 30. To understand why, let's briefly go through some of the bullet points we covered up top to show all of the ways this organization is failing:

Does the GM have a track record? No. The Bulls haven't won a playoff series under Arturas Karnisovas.

Does the GM have a plan? It certainly doesn't seem like it. Karnisovas argued in a recent press conference that teams can win championships with nine or 10 very good players rather than two or three superstars. Aside from being mostly untrue historically, it is worth pointing out here that the Bulls do not have nine or 10 very good players, nor are they especially close to reaching that number.

Does the front tend to make good trades? Well, they managed to trade Alex Caruso to Oklahoma City without getting a single first-round pick back, they basically kickstarted the Orlando rebuild with the Nikola Vucevic trade, and they recently gave away their best player in LaVine to regain control of a first-round pick that was already top-8 protected and therefore eminently keepable if they had been willing to tank for it properly. So I'm gonna go ahead and say no.

Does the front office tend to sign good contracts? Patrick Williams is averaging 9.1 points per game on a $90 million deal right now, so this isn't looking great either.

Is ownership willing to spend enough to win? Despite operating in the NBA's third-biggest market, the Bulls have paid the luxury tax only twice. Only six teams have spent less in total tax dollars, according to Spotrac.

Nico Harrison at least built a Finals team last season. Matt Ishbia deserves credit for his willingness to spend. The Kings have pathways to at least being reasonably competitive. But there's just no argument whatsoever in favor of how the Bulls operate beyond consistently maximizing revenue and minimizing costs.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-front-office-rankings-celtics-okc-at-the-top-mavericks-sink-after-luka-trade-but-theyre-not-no-30/

[WesPeace]

He should be fired last year after doing nothing! And he should be fired asap after idiotic Zach trade and not trading Vucevic!

Again, we traded Zach for two bad contracts (+Jones expiring) JUST to get our pick back!
To a team which he isnt a fit at all, and most important that pick which we should get back anyway without trade, if we had choose the path and tanked before as we werent going anywhere anyway!

Idiots in charge, morons! This trade will piss me off until summer at least

[Stratmaster]

Billy D all in on that rebuild. Loved the challenge of it in his pre game.

Clearly, we’re making a shift,” Donovan said. “I want to be part of building something. But what direction are we going and how are we going to build it and what we are going to do? I don’t think anybody inside the organization has those answers right now just because I don’t know if anything is totally complete at this point.”

I wanted to bring this up as well. The interview to me sounded completely contrary to the notion that he didnt want to coach a rebuilding team. It sounded the opposite. He basically shut it down.

I just think for him, the spot is so cozy, who would want to walk away from it. Top 3 market in the US. He obviously isn't held to a high standard of championships. He is like a son to the owner. Fully endorsed by his boss in AK.

In my opinion Billy is not going to walk away from the Bulls.

The only way that happens is if (1) There is a college job that he would love so much he cant turn it down or (2) He and the Bulls have a falling out or (3) He leaves for health reasons.

But I can't see Billy leaving the Bulls on his own to go to another NBA team. Its college or Bolls front office.

4. Somebody who wants him gone gets some dirt on him and blackmails him.

Give me a little time.

[lostonbase]

I don't know why I still follow this team. I have rooted for them since moving to Chicago in 87. The Dynasty was fantastic but other than the Thibs years, this team has been a disaster. They don't seem to care about winning Championships and are just happy with getting in the play ins. I feel like a battered spouse, I know I should leave but I just can't make it out the door. AKME need to be fired, they really don't do anything well.

[cocktailswith_2short]

I don't know why I still follow this team. I have rooted for them since moving to Chicago in 87. The Dynasty was fantastic but other than the Thibs years, this team has been a disaster. They don't seem to care about winning Championships and are just happy with getting in the play ins. I feel like a battered spouse, I know I should leave but I just can't make it out the door. AKME need to be fired, they really don't do anything well.

If derricks knee never exploded bulls fans wouldn't be stuck in this deep malaise .

[coldfish]

I thought about making a thread on it but I'll put it here.

You know what, AK isn't wrong that a team of "good" players can win a title. I would point to the Cavs who don't have a tier 1 superstar. That said, look at their players. They got a lot of high lottery picks and elite guys. The definition of "good" in this context is really freaking good.

Basically, the only way to build this up is to have a group of lottery picks, hit on most of them and be shrewd in trades and with money to fill it out. Lastly, pay a lot of tax.

The Bulls are sooooooooooooo far away from the "9 or 10 good guys" thing that its laughable. Right now I would argue that they have zero players of a level of a Cavs type medley.

[Jcool0]

I thought about making a thread on it but I'll put it here.

You know what, AK isn't wrong that a team of "good" players can win a title. I would point to the Cavs who don't have a tier 1 superstar. That said, look at their players. They got a lot of high lottery picks and elite guys. The definition of "good" in this context is really freaking good.

Basically, the only way to build this up is to have a group of lottery picks, hit on most of them and be shrewd in trades and with money to fill it out. Lastly, pay a lot of tax.

The Bulls are sooooooooooooo far away from the "9 or 10 good guys" thing that its laughable. Right now I would argue that they have zero players of a level of a Cavs type medley.

Evan Mobley is 23.. Just made the All star team was a 1st team All Defensive player last year and most metrics have him as a top 15 player in the NBA. That might not make him tier 1, but its pretty close. On top of that you have 6x All Star Donovan Michelle averaging 24 PPG at age 28 and 2x All Star Darius Garland averaging 21 PPG at age 25. You also have Jarrett Allen a 1x All Star averaging 13/10 on 70% shooting. I would say they have built a team with better then just "good" players. They have multiple young all stars. Which is how every team wins.

[coldfish]

I thought about making a thread on it but I'll put it here.

You know what, AK isn't wrong that a team of "good" players can win a title. I would point to the Cavs who don't have a tier 1 superstar. That said, look at their players. They got a lot of high lottery picks and elite guys. The definition of "good" in this context is really freaking good.

Basically, the only way to build this up is to have a group of lottery picks, hit on most of them and be shrewd in trades and with money to fill it out. Lastly, pay a lot of tax.

The Bulls are sooooooooooooo far away from the "9 or 10 good guys" thing that its laughable. Right now I would argue that they have zero players of a level of a Cavs type medley.

Evan Mobley is 23.. Just made the All star team was a 1st team All Defensive player last year and most metrics have him as a top 15 player in the NBA. That might not make him tier 1, but its pretty close. On top of that you have 6x All Star Donovan Michelle averaging 24 PPG at age 28 and 2x All Star Darius Garland averaging 21 PPG at age 25. You also have Jarrett Allen a 1x All Star averaging 13/10 on 70% shooting. I would say they have built a team with better then just "good" players. They have multiple young all stars. Which is how every team wins.

None of them are Michael Jordan / Lebron James level superstars. I don't disagree with you at all. I'm just pointing out that if you don't have a Jokic, the level of "good" player that you need is EXACTLY what you say. These are really, really good players and you need a group of them. Chicago has zero of them and I don't think anyone on the roster even has the potential to become one of these guys.

[Jcool0]

I thought about making a thread on it but I'll put it here.

You know what, AK isn't wrong that a team of "good" players can win a title. I would point to the Cavs who don't have a tier 1 superstar. That said, look at their players. They got a lot of high lottery picks and elite guys. The definition of "good" in this context is really freaking good.

Basically, the only way to build this up is to have a group of lottery picks, hit on most of them and be shrewd in trades and with money to fill it out. Lastly, pay a lot of tax.

The Bulls are sooooooooooooo far away from the "9 or 10 good guys" thing that its laughable. Right now I would argue that they have zero players of a level of a Cavs type medley.

Evan Mobley is 23.. Just made the All star team was a 1st team All Defensive player last year and most metrics have him as a top 15 player in the NBA. That might not make him tier 1, but its pretty close. On top of that you have 6x All Star Donovan Michelle averaging 24 PPG at age 28 and 2x All Star Darius Garland averaging 21 PPG at age 25. You also have Jarrett Allen a 1x All Star averaging 13/10 on 70% shooting. I would say they have built a team with better then just "good" players. They have multiple young all stars. Which is how every team wins.

None of them are Michael Jordan / Lebron James level superstars. I don't disagree with you at all. I'm just pointing out that if you don't have a Jokic, the level of "good" player that you need is EXACTLY what you say. These are really, really good players and you need a group of them. Chicago has zero of them and I don't think anyone on the roster even has the potential to become one of these guys.

There is only one of those guys currently playing and he hasn't won a title in 5 years and before that 2016. Boston is the favorite to repeat and they do not have a top 5 players on there team.

[Red8911]

There’s examples of success and failures no matter what model teams have whether it’s with a superstar or multiple all stars.

Look at some teams who are currently failing this season around the league. Minnesota who has Edwards, Philly- PG,Embiid, Maxey, Phoenix- KD/Booker/Beal, New Orleans-Zion, and even the Spurs with Wemby. We can even add the Warriors who were pretty bad all season, let’s see if they continue playing well with Jimmy.

Are these teams doing something wrong? I know injuries and bad luck have a huge affect but still should have been a lot higher in the standings.

[Jcool0]

There’s examples of success and failures no matter what model teams have whether it’s with a superstar or multiple all stars.

Look at some teams who are currently failing this season around the league. Minnesota who has Edwards, Philly- PG,Embiid, Maxey, Phoenix- KD/Booker/Beal, New Orleans-Zion, and even the Spurs with Wemby. We can even add the Warriors who were pretty bad all season, let’s see if they continue playing well with Jimmy.

Are these teams doing something wrong? I know injuries and bad luck have a huge affect but still should have been a lot higher in the standings.

FWIW Father Time is undefeated.

[Mr. Tibbs]

Say what you want about the Bears, but at least they know how to give us offseason vibes. Things were obviously headed downhill with Garpax, but holy hell AKME has pummeled my fandom into pure apathy and indifference.

[cocktailswith_2short]

Ak I feel can redeem himself . Say we get lucky move up a little in the draft and hit on our pick we're in good shape prep for one more year of tanking and stand pat don't make any moves to disturb the tank . It's billy that's the problem .

[PJSteven22]

Ak I feel can redeem himself . Say we get lucky move up a little in the draft and hit on our pick we're in good shape prep for one more year of tanking and stand pat don't make any moves to disturb the tank . It's billy that's the problem .

He keeps Billy employed so he’s as much of the problem as Billy.

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[Chi town]

AK could’ve easily turned this whole thing around with premium talent if he simply got of his own way.

1. He should have traded Vuc and Coby at the deadline. He MUST trade Vuc Coby and Zo at the draft. Zo and Coby will both get a 1st. Vuc a 2nd.

2. This draft if outside top 6 trade up with POR pick or 1st from trades and get VJ or Tre to replace Coby.

3. Suck next year and be bottom 4. Draft AJ DP or Ament all top shelf franchise cornerstones. This player would be our highest ceiling prospect.

Buz, Giddey, VJ or Tre, 26 Cornerstone. Clear cap in 26 to add an all star vet to go with the kids.

AK won’t do this. He will go for the play in next year and trade our 26 pick and the POR pick for a Vuc type talent to go with Giddey and Coby.

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[Bulldog23]

I think AK sold a plan of Luka in 2026. When this plan fails hopefully this clown is fired. The only person to believe this plan is this ownership.

[Chi town]

Think we will continue to see Coby score well and Bulls will make the play in, lose, and AK will think we have our core.

He will draft his Vuc replacement in Malauch, keep Coby, and only trade Vuc for a 2nd.

Bulls will be a play in team at the deadline next season and he will trade Ayo Huerter and Collins/Smith with the POR pick and our pick for a star to complete his rebuild.

What can we get for that package?

Giddey Coby Zo Pat Buz Smith Malauch.

What star is gettable that would make us a legit playoff team?