PG: 1-2-3 Cancun

[Jcool0]

Read on Twitter

[drosestruts]

15 assists and 17 turnovers will pretty much doom anybody.

Wondering how plugged in Haslem still is with the Heat organization. On the pre-game show when discussing Giddey he said as a team you either have to take away his scoring or take away his playmaking. Giddey scored 25 points but only had 4 assists, looks like the Heat went with taking away his playmaking.

[NZB2323]

Still reeling from trading away Jimmy Butler all those years ago. The last player who had the 'it' factor.

I’ll never forget where I was when Butler got traded. It was a Buffalo Wild Wings in Utah.

[waffle]

our only real path to respectability NEXT YEAR is trades. Not a great FA class

We have a lot of bodies, many of which won't bring much back.

We can't just cut these guys. They are under contract

SO WHO MIGHT BRING SOMETHING useful back? Coby. It's pretty much Coby.

And I think Giddey would flourish with a big who could put the ball in the basket from say...about 2'.

Or we could just consider next year another throw away effort, which is sort of what I expect

[waffle]

I would like us to sign tre
I would like us to find a classic 3D wing...doesn't need to score tons
We NEED A BIG. A BIG BODY. Someone who can defend the lane and put the ball in the basket when Giddey drops it into his hands

[MrSparkle]

our only real path to respectability NEXT YEAR is trades. Not a great FA class

We have a lot of bodies, many of which won't bring much back.

We can't just cut these guys. They are under contract

SO WHO MIGHT BRING SOMETHING useful back? Coby. It's pretty much Coby.

And I think Giddey would flourish with a big who could put the ball in the basket from say...about 2'.

Or we could just consider next year another throw away effort, which is sort of what I expect

I’m willing to bet my Toni Kukoc cards that we’ll lose the 9/10 play-in next year, again. I’m not seeing us downgrade the roster, and I’m not seeing us jump any of the 8 ahead (only Philly possibly jumps up).

It’d be nice if we made a FA/cap plan. But we’ll see. Sucks ending on such a crappy note. National TV forgetaBulls.

[MrSparkle]

Read on Twitter

Sure. I don’t think cherry picking the home game makes a difference.

Bulls have a 3-8 playoff record in the last 9 seasons. 3 wins — ties them with Charlotte and Sacramento.

Although Detroit still has 0. I expect them to give NY a hard time next week. And I can see them going further next year.

But yeah, after next season, certainly looking like we’ll be bottom 3 in the entire league. The elusive Hornets-Kings-Bulls club. The Big Ballers.

[kodo]

But Luka and Kyrie are both ELITE offensive players.

Coby doesn’t have the handle, playmaking acumen, or ability to get to the rim/draw fouls like either of them.

That has nothing to do with defense though? The Finals Dallas team was also a good defensive team. They were top 5 in defense in the playoffs, they weren't winning by just outscoring people they were the 7th best offense in the playoffs, worse than the Wolves. Dallas created a top 5 defense with the worst point of attack defender I've ever seen in the Finals, Luka, because they had centers.

If PG defense was critical in the playoffs, Luka Kyrie Brunson Haliburton Jamal Murray would never have gotten past the 1st round and we know that's not the case. Miami went to the Finals with Goran Dragic, and we've seen his D on our team. Miami is obviously doing something different than Chicago to defend, and Bam vs Vucevic is obviously the difference.

[Indomitable]

You said Giddey is a franchise player and implied Coby and Matas are too, if not outright stated it.

Do me a favor and show me

Giddey had a historic game, never done before in history after putting up damn near a triple double since all-star. He did indeed look like a franchise player, he’s 22. I made the statement after such game.

Now, Where oh where did I state Matas and Coby were franchise players. You a real weirdo.

Coby has been here 5 yrs and just got to 20ppg in a season. He is obviously not a franchise player.

Matas is a 20 yr old kid that has shown flashes of greatness. Even if he isn’t a franchise guy, he is unlikely to be traded in the forseeable future.

Again, you a real weirdo. Don’t mistake my optimism for delusion.

You said Coby is literally unstoppable and one of the best players in the league right now. One of the best players in the league who is literally unstoppable is surely a franchise player.

As for the bolded, I think that's exactly what I'm doing, but how are you gonna fault me for taking you at your word?

All you do is insult me despite me never insulting you. I'm a real weirdo for talking to you on a public message board lol. Last week I was a miserable sarcastic aszhole for daring to suggest that just handing over money to Coby and Giddey for whooping on injured tanking teams for a month and a half might not be the best idea.

We don't have any franchise players. It would be great if we did, but we don't. I like these guys, they're very good players, but none of them are worth max or near max contracts.

We're a long way from being relevant. If Coby and Giddey are the core, then you have no core. Don't compound that by giving them the bag and crippling the franchise for the next 5 years because they had a great month and a half.

A lot people fall for this.

Remember during the first rebuild the young guys would look a lot better the last 20 games.

Most veteran teams mail in the games after they realize their limited window.

The Bulls would end up with about the same record if they ran this team back.

Matas is the guy with the most room for growth.

This hope that Pat will get it and Coby will be more then Lou Williams is a joke.

[MalagaBulls]

Read on Twitter

Barely peeked at a 30 second snippet that was pure . We are doomed until this clueless clown is shown the door.

[Jcool0]

Read on Twitter

[MalagaBulls]

Read on Twitter

[NecessaryEvil]

So many people ready to just move on from Coby. I find it laughable. Sure, explore his trade value, no doubt. Last nights bad game doesn’t change that he’s still on one of the best deals in the league for another year.

You all need to grab a hold of yourselves and remember just how challenging it’s been for the Bulls franchise to find truly talented players that can make a difference. Coby is not supposed to be the #1 guy. He can have his outbursts, and average 20 a game… but the standard he is being held to by some right now is that of a max player basically. There has to be perspective.

Again, I’m open to moving Coby for the right deal but some also seem to forget he’s been a total model of loyalty and has been a great teammate and has stepped up as a leader who doesn’t bring negativity or controversy to the team. He’s still just 25 years old. I for one, understand players like him don’t grow on trees. Let the disappointment mellow down and then let’s come back to speaking on Coby’s future

One win and they think we’re contenders

One loss, trade everyone

This board is toxic. I’ve been here 10 yrs and have seen it all lol

Coby White is awesome.

[DuckIII]

Is someone going to start the thread for AK’s annual “listen to me say things that will terrify informed basketball fans” presentation?

[DuckIII]

15 assists and 17 turnovers will pretty much doom anybody.

Wondering how plugged in Haslem still is with the Heat organization. On the pre-game show when discussing Giddey he said as a team you either have to take away his scoring or take away his playmaking. Giddey scored 25 points but only had 4 assists, looks like the Heat went with taking away his playmaking.

I’d have to watch it again, and won’t, but the Bulls shot an abysmal 35% from the floor. No assists for bricks.

Maybe they took away his playmaking, maybe they didn’t. I don’t really know. But there’s probably more to it than raw assist numbers.

[CROBulls]

So many people ready to just move on from Coby. I find it laughable. Sure, explore his trade value, no doubt. Last nights bad game doesn’t change that he’s still on one of the best deals in the league for another year.

You all need to grab a hold of yourselves and remember just how challenging it’s been for the Bulls franchise to find truly talented players that can make a difference. Coby is not supposed to be the #1 guy. He can have his outbursts, and average 20 a game… but the standard he is being held to by some right now is that of a max player basically. There has to be perspective.

Again, I’m open to moving Coby for the right deal but some also seem to forget he’s been a total model of loyalty and has been a great teammate and has stepped up as a leader who doesn’t bring negativity or controversy to the team. He’s still just 25 years old. I for one, understand players like him don’t grow on trees. Let the disappointment mellow down and then let’s come back to speaking on Coby’s future

One win and they think we’re contenders

One loss, trade everyone

This board is toxic. I’ve been here 10 yrs and have seen it all lol

Coby White is awesome.

Again. We know who this players are, specially those who are with a team for 5 years now. I have no doubt who Coby White is and who Patrick Williams is. Laughable is your post. Nobody is overreacting. We are just here telling your what I knew is gonna happen 3 months ago.

So for god sake just please tank, just one year and get a player damn worth building around. So you dont need fake hoping that Coby White dude is your dude. Delusions on this board are sometimes ridicilous.


EDIT: And only reason you fighting this idea is because you dont wanna spend a year watching team sucking and losing. So in reality all of you are selfish and put yourself in front of what's best for franchise longterm. I am willing to do that for my franchise. Willing to do NecessaryEvil and live by your username.

[WesPeace]

But Luka and Kyrie are both ELITE offensive players.

Coby doesn’t have the handle, playmaking acumen, or ability to get to the rim/draw fouls like either of them.

That has nothing to do with defense though? The Finals Dallas team was also a good defensive team. They were top 5 in defense in the playoffs, they weren't winning by just outscoring people they were the 7th best offense in the playoffs, worse than the Wolves. Dallas created a top 5 defense with the worst point of attack defender I've ever seen in the Finals, Luka, because they had centers.

If PG defense was critical in the playoffs, Luka Kyrie Brunson Haliburton Jamal Murray would never have gotten past the 1st round and we know that's not the case. Miami went to the Finals with Goran Dragic, and we've seen his D on our team. Miami is obviously doing something different than Chicago to defend, and Bam vs Vucevic is obviously the difference.

Elite offensive players balance out the bad defense, lower tier players mostly cant..

Dragic was good defender earlier in his career, you cant compare it to Chicago's year at all.

[DASMACKDOWN]

So I have a bone to pick with most fans today who go back and forth complaining about everything.

We went thru 4 straight years of a "clearly tanked" team featuring Lauri, Wendell, Coby, Patrick.

But what did we do? Complain relentlessly about the direction of the team and were mad that we sucked year after year. It basically forced Pax to call it quits.

Now AKME comes in, makes quick win now moves. We then complain about it, and now people are going full circle asking him to burn it all the way down and be back to the 20 or less win teams.

Make up your mind people!

Its either you stomach an actual rebuild and not complain - no matter how long it takes.

OR go with the build internally, grabbing good free agents, and picking really well in the draft.

People want to tank one season, grab a franchise changing player, and go to contention in the next year. You in Lala land.

[FriedRise]

If AK believes that we can win with only very good players (and no stars/superstars that you typically need to tank for to get on your roster), then we need more players who can defend, attack, and shoot at a high level. OKC has so many of this type of players up and down their roster and that's why they're the best team in the league.

Pat theoretically should've been that, but doesn't look like he's ever gonna put it together. Lonzo is that, but he's never available. Giddey and Coby can attack and shoot, but they're bad defenders. Vooch doesn't do any of it all that well or consistently. Ayo can attack and defend, but he's a shaky shooter. The rest on the roster are one dimensional role players - guys who can only defend (Terry, Philips, Collins, Smith), shoot (Huerter, Carter), OR score (THT) but not all of it.

We have maybe 1 player who might eventually fit that description, but he's still a rookie and probably a couple years away from being anything.

[CROBulls]

“I think the important thing to fans is, while they want you to win championships, they want to know that when they get down to the last month of the season you still have a shot. You’re still playing meaningful games. If you can do that consistently you’ll make your fans happy.”- Reinsdorf.

Goddamn, I hate the guy. But he was so right.