Bears 2019/20; George McCaskey is on the clock

[Susan]

If they trade Foles, that's cool. If they draft a QB, that's cool too.

But this is the most hilarious outcome if they actually try to win now. I'd be cool if they stripped the team of all of it's decent players and full on tanked.

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

I don't see this move as reason to give up all hope. What else were they supposed to do? They reportedly were very aggressive in pursuing Wilson, and SEA just refused to trade him. As far as we know, the Texans might well be saying the same about Watson. So with those two options gone, what's Option C? Give up a bunch of assets to move up to take another rookie QB? If that was even possible. Pace already was burned once for doing that, he might well think he's not going to do it again.

The next best option was to get a veteran QB that can win you some games the next year or two, and Dalton may have been the best option out there at this point.

They still need to figure out a future QB, but they probably think that with a veteran behind center they at least can be competitive with the D they have, and possibly compete for a playoff spot again. Not a path to the super bowl, but also not a path to a 4-12 season either.

I see what you are saying but for me I would rather tear it down and rebuild than be stuck in mediocrity with Dalton at QB. There's just no hope for a team in this direction. I understand Pace probably isn't in a position to start a rebuild but that comes back to our crappy ownership for creating this situation. This is just typical Bears and it won't ever change until ownership changes.

I don't think anyone in the organization is thinking this is the long term solution. But given the options, it's not an "F". More like a "C".

Oh no, I never said it was their long term solution. But that is part of the problem. We don't ever have a long term solution at QB. And it is an F. I would rather ride with Foles/ drafted QB and spend the money elsewhere. I'm not sure what this means for Foles. Heck I would even bring Trubisky back over Dalton. At least we started to see improvement and he fully knows the playbook. I'm just not interested in watching the Bears with a retread QB on a year deal to try and save his, his coach's, and his GM's jobs. Its an F all the way no matter what other options or how impossible the other options were. They put themselves in this position. And as a fan I'm not satisfied even a bit if you couldn't tell. Not even enough to give them a D.

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

Not sure if he would even have been remotely interested but I would have loved to try Winston out over Dalton. I just hope this isn't their solution at QB and they have something else up their sleeves. Am I stupid to still have any hope for this?

[Dresden]

I see what you are saying but for me I would rather tear it down and rebuild than be stuck in mediocrity with Dalton at QB. There's just no hope for a team in this direction. I understand Pace probably isn't in a position to start a rebuild but that comes back to our crappy ownership for creating this situation. This is just typical Bears and it won't ever change until ownership changes.

I don't think anyone in the organization is thinking this is the long term solution. But given the options, it's not an "F". More like a "C".

Oh no, I never said it was their long term solution. But that is part of the problem. We don't ever have a long term solution at QB. And it is an F. I would rather ride with Foles/ drafted QB and spend the money elsewhere. I'm not sure what this means for Foles. Heck I would even bring Trubisky back over Dalton. At least we started to see improvement and he fully knows the playbook. I'm just not interested in watching the Bears with a retread QB on a year deal to try and save his, his coach's, and his GM's jobs. Its an F all the way no matter what other options or how impossible the other options were. They put themselves in this position. And as a fan I'm not satisfied even a bit if you couldn't tell. Not even enough to give them a D.

They did have a long term solution- Mitch. That's what they were counting on. It didn't work, and that set them back 3-4 years. I would guess they do have some ideas for how to address the position long term, they just aren't going public with them. Maybe they will make a move for a QB in the draft. Maybe they think next year's draft looks better for QB's, or for free agents or trades. Who knows, but I give them enough credit to believe they are planning on how to acquire a real franchise QB. And like I said before, some times it's better just to punt the ball, and wait for your next possession, rather than go for it on 4th and long just because you need a touchdown badly.

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

I don't think anyone in the organization is thinking this is the long term solution. But given the options, it's not an "F". More like a "C".

Oh no, I never said it was their long term solution. But that is part of the problem. We don't ever have a long term solution at QB. And it is an F. I would rather ride with Foles/ drafted QB and spend the money elsewhere. I'm not sure what this means for Foles. Heck I would even bring Trubisky back over Dalton. At least we started to see improvement and he fully knows the playbook. I'm just not interested in watching the Bears with a retread QB on a year deal to try and save his, his coach's, and his GM's jobs. Its an F all the way no matter what other options or how impossible the other options were. They put themselves in this position. And as a fan I'm not satisfied even a bit if you couldn't tell. Not even enough to give them a D.

They did have a long term solution- Mitch. That's what they were counting on. It didn't work, and that set them back 3-4 years. I would guess they do have some ideas for how to address the position long term, they just aren't going public with them. Maybe they will make a move for a QB in the draft. Maybe they think next year's draft looks better for QB's, or for free agents or trades. Who knows, but I give them enough credit to believe they are planning on how to acquire a real franchise QB. And like I said before, some times it's better just to punt the ball, and wait for your next possession, rather than go for it on 4th and long just because you need a touchdown badly.

Give them credit? Oh no. They thought Trubisky was a long term solution but he was not. And I think we found that out earlier than this offseason. We should be punting the ball alright. And cleaning house.

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

I don't think anyone in the organization is thinking this is the long term solution. But given the options, it's not an "F". More like a "C".

Oh no, I never said it was their long term solution. But that is part of the problem. We don't ever have a long term solution at QB. And it is an F. I would rather ride with Foles/ drafted QB and spend the money elsewhere. I'm not sure what this means for Foles. Heck I would even bring Trubisky back over Dalton. At least we started to see improvement and he fully knows the playbook. I'm just not interested in watching the Bears with a retread QB on a year deal to try and save his, his coach's, and his GM's jobs. Its an F all the way no matter what other options or how impossible the other options were. They put themselves in this position. And as a fan I'm not satisfied even a bit if you couldn't tell. Not even enough to give them a D.

They did have a long term solution- Mitch. That's what they were counting on. It didn't work, and that set them back 3-4 years. I would guess they do have some ideas for how to address the position long term, they just aren't going public with them. Maybe they will make a move for a QB in the draft. Maybe they think next year's draft looks better for QB's, or for free agents or trades. Who knows, but I give them enough credit to believe they are planning on how to acquire a real franchise QB. And like I said before, some times it's better just to punt the ball, and wait for your next possession, rather than go for it on 4th and long just because you need a touchdown badly.

And I do appreciate your positivity, I really do.

But I want to let you in on a little secret. The Bears are a laughingstock when it comes to quarterbacks and this just adds to it. We could have signed Dalton last offseason but instead traded a 4th round pick for Foles. And now we sign him? Our front office is the joke of the league.

[Chi town]

Don’t know if anything could be more depressing and embarrassing than Andy Dalton at 10M... after the season he had in Dallas... when Winston goes for 12M and Fitz goes for 10M.

Only way Pace can save himself and the franchise if if Texans or Seahawks change their mind or they draft a QB and he balls out. I think chances are less than 10% of those happen.

No. Bueno.

[Susan]

Here's where I'm at:

Good:
This all blows up - the team sucks and the entire thing falls apart - Nagy was a bad hire, everybody is fired and we get a new GM, Coach and QB with a top 10 pick next year

This kinda works - Nagy is a good coach, it's a steady 8-8 year and we're still just a QB away, those guys stay and Russ finally does get traded. Young pieces develop on offense and the DC is a thing.

We suck but we've got a QB - they traded up for a QB who gives us something but we suck. Everybody is fired or not fired, idgaf cause we've got a QB.

Bad:
This all blows up - they traded our future first for a QB bust and the entire thing is a mess of epic proportions.

[dice]

Man this is truly depressing.

as long as it was worth the temporary sugar high of imagining trading as many of our desirable assets as possible to get russell wilson

[dice]

glen-non
dal-ton

bookends of the ryan pace era

[dice]

career attempts-weighted QBR:

51.8 dalton
51.4 trubisky
50.0 foles (plus a super bowl run)

PFF's pre-free agency predictions:

dalton - 2 years, 10 mil from broncos (6 mil fully guaranteed, additional 2 mil partly guaranteed)
trubisky - 2 years, 15 mil from bears (8.5 mil fully guaranteed)

actual - dalton for 1 year, 10-13 mil, guarantees unknown

[Dresden]

Oh no, I never said it was their long term solution. But that is part of the problem. We don't ever have a long term solution at QB. And it is an F. I would rather ride with Foles/ drafted QB and spend the money elsewhere. I'm not sure what this means for Foles. Heck I would even bring Trubisky back over Dalton. At least we started to see improvement and he fully knows the playbook. I'm just not interested in watching the Bears with a retread QB on a year deal to try and save his, his coach's, and his GM's jobs. Its an F all the way no matter what other options or how impossible the other options were. They put themselves in this position. And as a fan I'm not satisfied even a bit if you couldn't tell. Not even enough to give them a D.

They did have a long term solution- Mitch. That's what they were counting on. It didn't work, and that set them back 3-4 years. I would guess they do have some ideas for how to address the position long term, they just aren't going public with them. Maybe they will make a move for a QB in the draft. Maybe they think next year's draft looks better for QB's, or for free agents or trades. Who knows, but I give them enough credit to believe they are planning on how to acquire a real franchise QB. And like I said before, some times it's better just to punt the ball, and wait for your next possession, rather than go for it on 4th and long just because you need a touchdown badly.

And I do appreciate your positivity, I really do.

But I want to let you in on a little secret. The Bears are a laughingstock when it comes to quarterbacks and this just adds to it. We could have signed Dalton last offseason but instead traded a 4th round pick for Foles. And now we sign him? Our front office is the joke of the league.

I'm not being positive, I"m being realistic. There weren't many options to get a great qb this year, unless you could pry away Russ or Watson. And it's even questionable if giving up what we had to give up to get one them would be worth it. I do not think the Bears are in a good position at all. Their O line is junk, their receivers are iffy, and they have no QB. And the defense fell apart the last 5-6 games as well last year. But they decided to give Pace/Nagy another chance, so this is what they came up with. It probably signals that they are not on one year deals, because this move obviously is more a waiting move, until they can pull off something big.

[Dresden]

career attempts-weighted QBR:

51.8 dalton
51.4 trubisky
50.0 foles (plus a super bowl run)

career attempts-weighted QBR also factoring in INT's thrown in late game situations as a percentage of overtime TD's scored when trailing by more than 20 points with deference to field conditions, atmospheric pressure, and games out of first place in their division (unless two teams from their division will qualify for playoffs, in which case it reverts to only the first two markers):

1,485: Dalton
562: Trubisky
-2288: Foles

[patryk7754]

Although I'm down since we wont be getting russ or watson, I think im higher on the Dalton signing than most people. He played pretty well last year and probably would have led that team to a division win if the defense wasn't arguably the worst of all time. I think if the run game is as good as it in the second half of the season and we add one more weapon to the offense then I think he has close to a probowl alternate type of season. Since we won't be getting a QB with a big cap hit that probably gives us the opportunity to sign a big time WR. If we land Golladay or Fuller (i think they'll be affordable because of their injury history) then we could definitely average 25ppg and with this defense I think we'd be the best team in the North and make a legit push for the superbowl

[thedarkstark]

The chicago bears are officially fired as my football team. F*** george mcaskey. 35 years of suck, i'm out.

[MalagaBulls]

Speaking of tackles FA targets, Williams got 6/138M. Uh nooooo thaaaannnkkk you. That contract will be horrendous in 2 years although the guaranteed probably run out in 2023.

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[Chi town]

So now watch Pace trade what he offered for Russ to move up and get Lance.

I wanted Pace fired mid season. Only thing that could have redeemed him was getting Russ or DW. Now it’s done. Rookie QBs don’t win.

Bears are going to suck. Time to sell off the defense and rebuild.

[ATRAIN53]

not the guy I wanted but I like the one year deal....
we can still get into any deal if Wilson or Watson are on the board again.
I'd still rather have Watson so I'm glad we kept assets just in case.....


maybe it could be like the Tannehill deal in MIA?
Dalton was drafted the year before TanneTHRILL and you saw how he has turned around TN after finally getting out of MIA

I think how much a team likes their QB is a big deal. You have to protect the QB and if I was an OL during the Cutler years - I would have sidestepped a few blocks just to watch him get laid out a few times a game.

Maybe Dalton has some locker room magic?


Bottom line is that it doesn't matter to the McCaskeys. The media just spent the last month of March talking Bears non stop. Now were gonna talk about this deal for a month and then a draft and more Bears chatter.

That's what matters to them, not necessarily wins or losses.


and the bonus of at least a year full of Dalton/Roadhouse memes is kinda a win.
I mean this is a cinnematic masterpice of our generation. I bet I've watched it at least 100 times.

[Susan]

Good thing about Dalton is we know they're not married to him.

Ball is in Russ' court to make more **** happen.

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