NBA Trade Thread #11

[Dan Z]

the suns had to give up a first to trade nurkic...does anyone really think they wouldnt have done that trade for Vooch?

Good point. Do that deal and maybe Nukic bounces back...? If not his contract only runs one more year.

Then they'd have another pick to work with.

[ChiefILL53]

Or couldn’t the Bulls have done the Marcus Smart trade and taken him with a FRP? You know things are bleak when I’m wishing we had done what the MF WIZARDS did.

Because the Wizards know what theyre doing. They're taking bad contracts and compiling picks while they suck lol. Another draft or two and they might be able to swing a trade for a disgruntled star and have a decent roster to build with.

Good point. Do that deal and maybe Nukic bounces back...? If not his contract only runs one more year.

Then they'd have another pick to work with.

I wouldnt have even cared if Nurkic plays well, im here solely for the pick.

[Red8911]

Any of you guys get frozen out of this site most of the afternoon?

Yeah realgm sucks. Probably couldn’t handle high volume.

[Red8911]

Flaming out with just the Zach trade is utter failure.

This Zach trade has been their goal for 2 years now, that’s why AK is so relieved to finally get it done lol.

[Muzbar]

Any of you guys get frozen out of this site most of the afternoon?

Anytime there was a big trade or whatever I could never get on here.

[Infinity2152]

We talked about it a lot. Vuc couldn't be traded straight up for Nurkic because the Suns are over the second apron. He would probably be a Sun if not. Ingram went with one first, Doncic went with one first, Don't think we can just assume the Bulls turned down good offers when everybody here has been saying how bad Vuc is for years. The Bulls would have to eat some more contracts with another 1 for 3 trade as well. Didn't think it was likely both would be traded midseason. There were really only three likely teams, Lakers Warriors Suns. Suns couldn't do it, both Lakers and Warriors made big trades and the Lakers wanted athleticism. He'll be an expiring in the off season.

Didn't like the return for Lavine, but getting our pick back is underrated, imo. That pick is guaranteed 2025, probably lottery. They could probably get three or four future firsts for that, maybe more. Suns got three firsts for a 2031 pick. Regardless of whether it's our own pick, our team just got worse and the pick hopefully better. Getting back control of our pick is huge too, we would not have that if we got somebody else's first, or even two firsts.

Vuc as a $20 mill expiring trade piece sounds a lot more attractive this summer when teams are clearing cap for summer 2026.

[Dan Z]

We talked about it a lot. Vuc couldn't be traded straight up for Nurkic because the Suns are over the second apron. He would probably be a Sun if not. Ingram went with one first, Doncic went with one first, Don't think we can just assume the Bulls turned down good offers when everybody here has been saying how bad Vuc is for years. The Bulls would have to eat some more contracts with another 1 for 3 trade as well. Didn't think it was likely both would be traded midseason. There were really only three likely teams, Lakers Warriors Suns. Suns couldn't do it, both Lakers and Warriors made big trades and the Lakers wanted athleticism. He'll be an expiring in the off season.

Didn't like the return for Lavine, but getting our pick back is underrated, imo. That pick is guaranteed 2025, probably lottery. They could probably get three or four future firsts for that, maybe more. Suns got three firsts for a 2031 pick. Regardless of whether it's our own pick, our team just got worse and the pick hopefully better. Getting back control of our pick is huge too, we would not have that if we got somebody else's first, or even two firsts.

Vuc as a $20 mill expiring trade piece sounds a lot more attractive this summer when teams are clearing cap for summer 2026.

The Suns got three late firsts for their 2031 pick because Utah consolidated and Phoenix needs players who will help them win now (or to use them as they did in the Nurkic trade). It's a specific situation. Having said that, would you trade the Bulls 2025 lottery pick for three late firsts? I wouldn't.

On top of that, if AK's goal is to make the playoffs this year then why does the 2025 matter to him? Sure, he probably won't really get to the playoffs, but aiming for it means a worse pick. I am glad he got the pick, but don't agree with his goals/mindset.

Why not think about the future? Right now the team is on pace to win 35 games.

[Infinity2152]

We talked about it a lot. Vuc couldn't be traded straight up for Nurkic because the Suns are over the second apron. He would probably be a Sun if not. Ingram went with one first, Doncic went with one first, Don't think we can just assume the Bulls turned down good offers when everybody here has been saying how bad Vuc is for years. The Bulls would have to eat some more contracts with another 1 for 3 trade as well. Didn't think it was likely both would be traded midseason. There were really only three likely teams, Lakers Warriors Suns. Suns couldn't do it, both Lakers and Warriors made big trades and the Lakers wanted athleticism. He'll be an expiring in the off season.

Didn't like the return for Lavine, but getting our pick back is underrated, imo. That pick is guaranteed 2025, probably lottery. They could probably get three or four future firsts for that, maybe more. Suns got three firsts for a 2031 pick. Regardless of whether it's our own pick, our team just got worse and the pick hopefully better. Getting back control of our pick is huge too, we would not have that if we got somebody else's first, or even two firsts.

Vuc as a $20 mill expiring trade piece sounds a lot more attractive this summer when teams are clearing cap for summer 2026.

The Suns got three late firsts for their 2031 pick because Utah consolidated and Phoenix needs players who will help them win now (or to use them as they did in the Nurkic trade). It's a specific situation. Having said that, would you trade the Bulls 2025 lottery pick for three late firsts? I wouldn't.

On top of that, if AK's goal is to make the playoffs this year then why does the 2025 matter to him? Sure, he probably won't really get to the playoffs, but aiming for it means a worse pick. I am glad he got the pick, but don't agree with his goals/mindset.

Why not think about the future? Right now the team is on pace to win 35 games.

I certainly wouldn't trade our 2025 firsts for three late firsts, that's my point, lol. the pick is more valuable than "just getting our pick back." Getting that pick back is a pretty big deal. Any team can get a top three pick when you're in the lottery, and I just don't think the Bulls will win as much without Zach. There's very little consistent scoring on our team now. Pretty much just Vuc and maybe Coby. Coby's seeing every team's toughest wing defender for the rest of the season.

If his goal was to make the playoffs this year, he'd have traded Zach this summer. He can't just say he's tanking, but trading your best player on a under .500 team for bums is a pretty clear indicator. He was trying to trade Vuc too, lmao! They are not really trying to make the playoffs. Most casual fans don't want to hear their team is tanking.

[Dan Z]

We talked about it a lot. Vuc couldn't be traded straight up for Nurkic because the Suns are over the second apron. He would probably be a Sun if not. Ingram went with one first, Doncic went with one first, Don't think we can just assume the Bulls turned down good offers when everybody here has been saying how bad Vuc is for years. The Bulls would have to eat some more contracts with another 1 for 3 trade as well. Didn't think it was likely both would be traded midseason. There were really only three likely teams, Lakers Warriors Suns. Suns couldn't do it, both Lakers and Warriors made big trades and the Lakers wanted athleticism. He'll be an expiring in the off season.

Didn't like the return for Lavine, but getting our pick back is underrated, imo. That pick is guaranteed 2025, probably lottery. They could probably get three or four future firsts for that, maybe more. Suns got three firsts for a 2031 pick. Regardless of whether it's our own pick, our team just got worse and the pick hopefully better. Getting back control of our pick is huge too, we would not have that if we got somebody else's first, or even two firsts.

Vuc as a $20 mill expiring trade piece sounds a lot more attractive this summer when teams are clearing cap for summer 2026.

The Suns got three late firsts for their 2031 pick because Utah consolidated and Phoenix needs players who will help them win now (or to use them as they did in the Nurkic trade). It's a specific situation. Having said that, would you trade the Bulls 2025 lottery pick for three late firsts? I wouldn't.

On top of that, if AK's goal is to make the playoffs this year then why does the 2025 matter to him? Sure, he probably won't really get to the playoffs, but aiming for it means a worse pick. I am glad he got the pick, but don't agree with his goals/mindset.

Why not think about the future? Right now the team is on pace to win 35 games.

I certainly wouldn't trade our 2025 firsts for three late firsts, that's my point, lol. the pick is more valuable than "just getting our pick back." Getting that pick back is a pretty big deal. Any team can get a top three pick when you're in the lottery, and I just don't think the Bulls will win as much without Zach. There's very little consistent scoring on our team now. Pretty much just Vuc and maybe Coby. Coby's seeing every team's toughest wing defender for the rest of the season.

If his goal was to make the playoffs this year, he'd have traded Zach this summer. He can't just say he's tanking, but trading your best player on a under .500 team for bums is a pretty clear indicator. He was trying to trade Vuc too, lmao! They are not really trying to make the playoffs.

He could allude to tanking without directly saying it. He didn't and I have my doubts that his plan is to tank. He said this in his press conference:

"We might get a high draft pick or we might be in the play-in, we might be in the playoffs," he said. "I think I was saying that if this young nucleus can get you to play in the playoffs, I think it's going to be growth in terms of your young players and development. That's worth it for me."

That quote makes me think he'll never lean into a tank, which means the Bulls will probably get another pick around #11. Exciting? Not really, but I am glad that they'll be in the lottery (because there's a chance at luck...even though it's a long shot).

[Infinity2152]

The Suns got three late firsts for their 2031 pick because Utah consolidated and Phoenix needs players who will help them win now (or to use them as they did in the Nurkic trade). It's a specific situation. Having said that, would you trade the Bulls 2025 lottery pick for three late firsts? I wouldn't.

On top of that, if AK's goal is to make the playoffs this year then why does the 2025 matter to him? Sure, he probably won't really get to the playoffs, but aiming for it means a worse pick. I am glad he got the pick, but don't agree with his goals/mindset.

Why not think about the future? Right now the team is on pace to win 35 games.

I certainly wouldn't trade our 2025 firsts for three late firsts, that's my point, lol. the pick is more valuable than "just getting our pick back." Getting that pick back is a pretty big deal. Any team can get a top three pick when you're in the lottery, and I just don't think the Bulls will win as much without Zach. There's very little consistent scoring on our team now. Pretty much just Vuc and maybe Coby. Coby's seeing every team's toughest wing defender for the rest of the season.

If his goal was to make the playoffs this year, he'd have traded Zach this summer. He can't just say he's tanking, but trading your best player on a under .500 team for bums is a pretty clear indicator. He was trying to trade Vuc too, lmao! They are not really trying to make the playoffs.

He could allude to tanking without directly saying it. He didn't and I have my doubts that his plan is to tank. He said this in his press conference:

"We might get a high draft pick or we might be in the play-in, we might be in the playoffs," he said. "I think I was saying that if this young nucleus can get you to play in the playoffs, I think it's going to be growth in terms of your young players and development. That's worth it for me."

That quote makes me think he'll never lean into a tank, which means the Bulls will probably get another pick around #11. Exciting? Not really, but I am glad that they'll be in the lottery (because there's a chance at luck...even though it's a long shot).

Most of these young guys on the team he's either added or started, valued their whole careers. I think it's worse if you even allude to tanking, that's an insult to every player currently on your team. Players are going out there to win, so you're basically saying this team as constructed, with these guys, are losers.

There were basically two tank moves I could see him actively doing. Trade Zach or Vuc for mid-garbage players. Both were reportedly on the block. Zach was traded, and Craig, who could probably help us win more than some others still here, was waived.

You paid and extended all these guys, traded for them. Yeah, I'm sure he is hoping some of these guys pan out and make him look good. Tanking is a GM admitting failure.

We've got one legitimate starter, Vucevic. The guy everybody says is so bad, he makes the whole defense worse. Unless you count Giddey as a good starter. We're not very impressive.

[2weekswithpay]

I said this in the Lavine trade thread. Getting our pick back is great but if the plan is to tank, you don't need to have the pick back. You could prioritize getting another asset from the Spurs because it isn't that difficult to keep a top-10 and top-8 pick if you're going to strip the roster. I'm not convinced they were serious about trading Vuc or picking another direction for this team. Vuc was never worth a FRP and it seems AKME wasn't willing to take expirings and seconds from the Warriors.

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Will they use Vuc's expiring contract in the summer to get back assets? Maybe but It's hard to believe they would do this when they haven't been willing to trade players for future assets. Even obvious trades like Drummond for some seconds didn't happen. This team will push for the play-in until it isn't an option anymore.

[Dan Z]

I certainly wouldn't trade our 2025 firsts for three late firsts, that's my point, lol. the pick is more valuable than "just getting our pick back." Getting that pick back is a pretty big deal. Any team can get a top three pick when you're in the lottery, and I just don't think the Bulls will win as much without Zach. There's very little consistent scoring on our team now. Pretty much just Vuc and maybe Coby. Coby's seeing every team's toughest wing defender for the rest of the season.

If his goal was to make the playoffs this year, he'd have traded Zach this summer. He can't just say he's tanking, but trading your best player on a under .500 team for bums is a pretty clear indicator. He was trying to trade Vuc too, lmao! They are not really trying to make the playoffs.

He could allude to tanking without directly saying it. He didn't and I have my doubts that his plan is to tank. He said this in his press conference:

"We might get a high draft pick or we might be in the play-in, we might be in the playoffs," he said. "I think I was saying that if this young nucleus can get you to play in the playoffs, I think it's going to be growth in terms of your young players and development. That's worth it for me."

That quote makes me think he'll never lean into a tank, which means the Bulls will probably get another pick around #11. Exciting? Not really, but I am glad that they'll be in the lottery (because there's a chance at luck...even though it's a long shot).

Most of these young guys on the team he's either added or started, valued their whole careers. I think it's worse if you even allude to tanking, that's an insult to every player currently on your team. Players are going out there to win, so you're basically saying this team as constructed, with these guys, are losers.

There were basically two tank moves I could see him actively doing. Trade Zach or Vuc for mid-garbage players. Both were reportedly on the block. Zach was traded, and Craig, who could probably help us win more than some others still here, was waived.

You paid and extended all these guys, traded for them. Yeah, I'm sure he is hoping some of these guys pan out and make him look good. Tanking is a GM admitting failure.

We've got one legitimate starter, Vucevic. The guy everybody says is so bad, he makes the whole defense worse. Unless you count Giddey as a good starter. We're not very impressive.

He's should tank because getting a better 2025 pick is more important for the teams future than a play-in loss

But he won't tank. He hasnt done it since he's been here and the quote I shared with you makes me think he won't start now.

[WesPeace]

Flaming out with just the Zach trade is utter failure.

This Zach trade has been their goal for 2 years now, that’s why AK is so relieved to finally get it done lol.

Bulls ruined Zach worth on the markets as soon as they started announcing they will try to make a trade (2yrs ago) plus when there was leak in media about some issues with Billy D and Zach! Other teams were then in perfect position to handcuff Bulls to how desperate they will get to trade him.

Otherwise in these times of modern NBA and all the crazy contracts are given to even average players, NO - Zach contract wasnt even that bad, especially for elite scorer, all star player pretty much, USA national team player etc.. ! These things were overblown..

So yeah, AKME f....up Lavine's worth all by themselves with public throwing Zach under the bus years ago.
Because they are braindead morons!

[BullChit]

They tried to trade Vuc. I don't understand why anyone is mad.

If I can AI summarise this it seems people would rather have a bad trade to bitch about then no trade at all.

And to anybody worrying about Vuc winning us games and ruining our lotto chances. I feel like Vuc is going to go into Pouty Vuc mode and will phone the next 30 games in.

I'm more worried about Matas going full Mirotic and winning us games. (not the worst result but I'd rather a good pick)

People want to pivot away from the mediocrity that this team has been for the last few seasons, instead they've stayed mediocre, just without Zach.

The direction hasn't changed, AK is still talking about trying to make the play-in.

The only way this team changes is by getting a new front office.

What a load of BullChit.

We all know that ain't happening

[Muzbar]

If I can AI summarise this it seems people would rather have a bad trade to bitch about then no trade at all.

And to anybody worrying about Vuc winning us games and ruining our lotto chances. I feel like Vuc is going to go into Pouty Vuc mode and will phone the next 30 games in.

I'm more worried about Matas going full Mirotic and winning us games. (not the worst result but I'd rather a good pick)

People want to pivot away from the mediocrity that this team has been for the last few seasons, instead they've stayed mediocre, just without Zach.

The direction hasn't changed, AK is still talking about trying to make the play-in.

The only way this team changes is by getting a new front office.

What a load of BullChit.

We all know that ain't happening

And that is why (the answer to the original question) is why everyone is mad.

[BullChit]

People want to pivot away from the mediocrity that this team has been for the last few seasons, instead they've stayed mediocre, just without Zach.

The direction hasn't changed, AK is still talking about trying to make the play-in.

The only way this team changes is by getting a new front office.

What a load of BullChit.

We all know that ain't happening

And that is why (the answer to the original question) is why everyone is mad.

At the end of the day I guess I just refuse to be mad at something that I never expected in the first place...

*I said that in my most stoner philosophical voice possible...*

**totally not disagreeing with you either. **

[Muzbar]

We all know that ain't happening

And that is why (the answer to the original question) is why everyone is mad.

At the end of the day I guess I just refuse to be mad at something that I never expected in the first place...

*I said that in my most stoner philosophical voice possible...*

**totally not disagreeing with you either. **

Oh I understand.

I was 100% expecting to wake up this morning, open realgm, refresh and then absolutely zero news of the Bulls moving anybody. And I was right.

If I didn't I would have been utterly fluming and would have gone to work grumpy.

I'm still frustrated obviously that nothing got done (exception of Zach trade of course) but I expected it so the blow hasn't been as big.

[Dez]

There is no defending this stupidity.

[Guru]

They tried to trade Vuc. I don't understand why anyone is mad.

If I can AI summarise this it seems people would rather have a bad trade to bitch about then no trade at all.

And to anybody worrying about Vuc winning us games and ruining our lotto chances. I feel like Vuc is going to go into Pouty Vuc mode and will phone the next 30 games in.

I'm more worried about Matas going full Mirotic and winning us games. (not the worst result but I'd rather a good pick)

People want to pivot away from the mediocrity that this team has been for the last few seasons, instead they've stayed mediocre, just without Zach.

The direction hasn't changed, AK is still talking about trying to make the play-in.

The only way this team changes is by getting a new front office.

What a load of BullChit.

He is talking about trying to make the play in because that's what any good leader of a team of any sport would do. They have clearly changed the direction.

[Guru]

What do you see as the value of the group we are most willing to trade? What is the offer that you would take?

1-Vuc-I'd take 2 seconds but I think that offer will be available this Summer. Good for them for shooting for a late first and not being willing to eat bad contracts
2-Coby-I would hold out for a 1st in the teens. I think that would pull me to make the move. He's still very good, I'm in no rush to get rid of him for a weaks deal
3-5 Huerter, Carter, Collins I'd take a 2nd but am in no rush to get rid of anyone but Carter. Collins is the one I'd like to trade the least because we finally have size. He's not really worth his contract but it's expiring.