Melo 16- If it's meant to be, it's meant to be

[DaeDae]

The Knicks decision to trade for Melo was strictly on James Dolan. That has been well documented. You cant fault Melo for letting Denver know he wanted out. After that everything was out of his control. New York Made that trade offer. Carmelo did not make that trade offer. Denever wasnt going to lose him for nothing and the Knicks took the bait and gave up alot to get him. Again this is all on Dolan and the FO.

Melo obviously cares about money....but no more then any other player.honestly wade is the only star player I can think of to take a paycut in their prime to help a team. And that wasnt a very significant paycut.

Ok, then Melo shouldn't come out publically stating that "it's not about the money" if it's really about the money. You can't have it both ways.

I agree he shouldnt have said that. and I do think he would take a paycut, but a 60 million dollar paycut is ludicrous.

No matter how many times you repeat that the bulls only offered him 70 million dollars, it doesn't make it true.

I mean seriously, if that's all they offered him, then what is he waiting on???

[RememberLu]

HAHAHAHAHA....Dude stop it...What have the Bulls won since Jordan retired in 98? 1 ECF appearance and housed by the Heat 4-1 with a fully healthy and better Bulls team then today

The Knicks at least made the finals vs Spurs after Jordan retired from Bulls. So your Bulls have been to one ECF since MJ left bulls and Knicks 1 NBA finals.

What have the bulls done...Or are you living of Jordan still.

Bulls are a consistently top team in the NBA every year in the Thibs era. We won 48 games without our first and second best player. Knicks won 37 WITH their best player.

mmmkay

We are talking rings and your team has won none in 16 years and not been to a finals in 16 years. So the goal is to pitch that your bulls are a consistent playoff team in a crap EC?

Face it the Bulls have done nothing...If Melo wanted the Bulls he would go there for 16 a year and then ask Bulls to offer the Knicks 2 firsts and Butler or Mirotic. Knicks would budge at the end but they are confident Melo wants to stay as he has always stated...He has never said he is looking to leave Knicks.

He said he wants to win and that message is for the Knicks to do something....How is going to Chicago a step up from NY? Melo is a star like many that want to be the man and be the reason their team wins. In NY he has that stage and that hungry fanbase. In Chicago he would be looked at having to join another team who will help him supposedly get a ring at lower money. He will never get the props for winning a ring in Chi then in NY...FACT

rings are beside the point, only 1 team wins a ring every year. Does that mean there's only 1 great team in the NBA? no.

The Bulls have NOT done nothing, the Bulls have proven to be a very disciplined, well coached and stable franchise. The exact opposite of the Knicks.

How is going to the Bulls a step up from the Knicks? Do you really have to ask that question? lol

let me repeat myself: the Bulls won 48 games without their first and second best players. The Knicks win 37 with their best players, and missed the playoffs. The Bulls never miss the playoffs no matter what happens, Thibs can cobble a team together from paper clips and rubber bands and still make the playoffs.

So does that answer your question? The Bulls are MUUUUCH better than your Knicks. Regardless of any ring-winning. Do you even watch basketball?

How many playoff games have the Knicks won in the Amare/Melo era? I'll wait for your answer

[CoolKids]

Ok, then Melo shouldn't come out publically stating that "it's not about the money" if it's really about the money. You can't have it both ways.

I agree he shouldnt have said that. and I do think he would take a paycut, but a 60 million dollar paycut is ludicrous.

No matter how many times you repeat that the bulls only offered him 70 million dollars, it doesn't make it true.

I mean seriously, if that's all they offered him, then what is he waiting on???

Then idk why everyone is reporting thats what they offered. Keep in mind this isnt a 2 horse race here. There are other teams that are trying to get him.

[dice]

We are talking rings and your team has won none in 16 years and not been to a finals in 16 years. So the goal is to pitch that your bulls are a consistent playoff team in a crap EC?

better than a consistent playoff team, actually. which is far more than the knicks can claim

He said he wants to win and that message is for the Knicks to do something....How is going to Chicago a step up from NY?

much, much better basketball

He will never get the props for winning a ring in Chi then in NY...FACT

probably true, but i don't think you know what a fact is

[johnnyvann840]

Karl was a great coach. Didn't follow the rest close enough to comment. The bulls before Phil were on the verge already. Phil inherited great contending teams everywhere he coached. Another reason he has some proving to do as gm ( and I think he will do great, to the point of getting ridiculed on this board for saying it).

He is a top 5 talent, just no where near a top 5 player. Therein lies the disconnect, and the problem. His biggest concern about coming to Chicago seemed to be "what is it like playing for Thibs". My translation " geesh will I actually have to work hard?"

I tend to agree this entire post.

[DaeDae]

HAHAHAHAHA....Dude stop it...What have the Bulls won since Jordan retired in 98? 1 ECF appearance and housed by the Heat 4-1 with a fully healthy and better Bulls team then today

The Knicks at least made the finals vs Spurs after Jordan retired from Bulls. So your Bulls have been to one ECF since MJ left bulls and Knicks 1 NBA finals.

What have the bulls done...Or are you living of Jordan still.

Bulls are a consistently top team in the NBA every year in the Thibs era. We won 48 games without our first and second best player. Knicks won 37 WITH their best player.

mmmkay

We are talking rings and your team has won none in 16 years and not been to a finals in 16 years. So the goal is to pitch that your bulls are a consistent playoff team in a crap EC?

Face it the Bulls have done nothing...If Melo wanted the Bulls he would go there for 16 a year and then ask Bulls to offer the Knicks 2 firsts and Butler or Mirotic. Knicks would budge at the end but they are confident Melo wants to stay as he has always stated...He has never said he is looking to leave Knicks.

He said he wants to win and that message is for the Knicks to do something....How is going to Chicago a step up from NY? Melo is a star like many that want to be the man and be the reason their team wins. In NY he has that stage and that hungry fanbase. In Chicago he would be looked at having to join another team who will help him supposedly get a ring at lower money. He will never get the props for winning a ring in Chi then in NY...FACT

Is this really a discussion? Historically: Bulls.

Recent history: Bulls.

the last time the Knicks got out of the first round I was in college. And none of my children were born. I have 5 now.

And by the way, you are trolling.

[DaeDae]

Karl was a great coach. Didn't follow the rest close enough to comment. The bulls before Phil were on the verge already. Phil inherited great contending teams everywhere he coached. Another reason he has some proving to do as gm ( and I think he will do great, to the point of getting ridiculed on this board for saying it).

He is a top 5 talent, just no where near a top 5 player. Therein lies the disconnect, and the problem. His biggest concern about coming to Chicago seemed to be "what is it like playing for Thibs". My translation " geesh will I actually have to work hard?"

I tend to agree this entire post.

Yep

[fleet]

Bulls are a consistently top team in the NBA every year in the Thibs era. We won 48 games without our first and second best player. Knicks won 37 WITH their best player.

mmmkay

We are talking rings and your team has won none in 16 years and not been to a finals in 16 years. So the goal is to pitch that your bulls are a consistent playoff team in a crap EC?

Face it the Bulls have done nothing...If Melo wanted the Bulls he would go there for 16 a year and then ask Bulls to offer the Knicks 2 firsts and Butler or Mirotic. Knicks would budge at the end but they are confident Melo wants to stay as he has always stated...He has never said he is looking to leave Knicks.

He said he wants to win and that message is for the Knicks to do something....How is going to Chicago a step up from NY? Melo is a star like many that want to be the man and be the reason their team wins. In NY he has that stage and that hungry fanbase. In Chicago he would be looked at having to join another team who will help him supposedly get a ring at lower money. He will never get the props for winning a ring in Chi then in NY...FACT

Is this really a discussion? Historically: Bulls.

Recent history: Bulls.

the last time the Knicks got out of the first round I was in college. And none of my children were born. I have 5 now.

And by the way, you are trolling.

He's done trolling

[MoneyMitch]

The team with the most rebounds usually wins
The team with the most assist usually wins
The team with the most stops usually wins
But the team with most points ALWAYS wins

The game will forever be about buckets

forgot one...


the team that gives up the most points ALWAYS loses.

Well you guys won't have that problem when you get Melo

[RememberLu]

Some dumb Knicks fans really think the Bulls and Knicks are on the same level just because neither one has won a ring recently? lol

you really don't watch basketball then if thats what someone thinks

[BeatDaCavs420]

Knicks fans so the must crazy things,I can't believe some of these post i'm reading I keep saying to myself not sure if serious lol

[BullHeaded]

The Knicks decision to trade for Melo was strictly on James Dolan. That has been well documented. You cant fault Melo for letting Denver know he wanted out. After that everything was out of his control. New York Made that trade offer. Carmelo did not make that trade offer. Denever wasnt going to lose him for nothing and the Knicks took the bait and gave up alot to get him. Again this is all on Dolan and the FO.

Melo obviously cares about money....but no more then any other player.honestly wade is the only star player I can think of to take a paycut in their prime to help a team. And that wasnt a very significant paycut.

Ok, then Melo shouldn't come out publically stating that "it's not about the money" if it's really about the money. You can't have it both ways.

I agree he shouldnt have said that. and I do think he would take a paycut, but a 60 million dollar paycut is ludicrous.

The truth is, if the Knicks are offering him $60M more over the life of the contract, it would be human nature for Melo to start seeing Championship wrinkles in Phil Jackson's plan that he would have laughed at if the money was equal. For that much scratch, you start believing in the plan and stop being as cynical as you should be. Also, there is his family.

I think for us (Chicago... I know you're a Knicks fan) to get Melo, the money would have to be closer and the championship prospects, which I think are truly substantial here, would have to be as compelling to him as it is to most third party observers.

Of course, I think this is just me saying what just about 90% of the posters here have said already from Bulls fans to Knick fans to Rocket fans (well... maybe not them).

[johnnyvann840]

We are talking rings and your team has won none in 16 years and not been to a finals in 16 years. So the goal is to pitch that your bulls are a consistent playoff team in a crap EC?

better than that, actually. and the knicks can't even claim that

He said he wants to win and that message is for the Knicks to do something....How is going to Chicago a step up from NY?

much, much better basketball

He will never get the props for winning a ring in Chi then in NY...FACT

probably true, but i don't think you know what a fact is

He would be a God if he won a title in NYC. More than any other thing he could do.. except run off 4 straight here, maybe.

But, Dice is right. Make no mistake. Melo would be a God in Chicago if we won with him, just not as intense. But does it really matter. He would be adored and loved forever in this town. Anybody.. anybody who wins here will always be 2nd to Michael.. But that goes for anybody anywhere, period. MJ doesn't even live here anymore.

Melo wins here and he would have the keys to Chicago forever in a way that very few ever have.

[AAU Teammate]

Bulls are in better shape, but New York is not Philly. In the East, NY can be competitive and with a few smart moves be fine. I think we overstate here how horrific the circumstances are in NY.

Being the city that they are, their FA dollars (when eventually they get back in that game) mean a ton to players.

[CoolKids]

Ok, then Melo shouldn't come out publically stating that "it's not about the money" if it's really about the money. You can't have it both ways.

I agree he shouldnt have said that. and I do think he would take a paycut, but a 60 million dollar paycut is ludicrous.

The truth is, if the Knicks are offering him $60M more over the life of the contract, it would be human nature for Melo to start seeing Championship wrinkles in Phil Jackson's plan that he would have laughed at if the money was equal. For that much scratch, you start believing in the plan and stop being as cynical as you should be. Also, there is his family.

I think for us (Chicago... I know you're a Knicks fan) to get Melo, the money would have to be closer and the championship prospects, which I think are truly substantial here, would have to be as compelling to him as it is to most third party observers.

Of course, I think this is just me saying what just about 90% of the posters here have said already from Bulls fans to Knick fans to Rocket fans (well... maybe not them).

I think youre right

[RememberLu]

Bulls are in better shape, but New York is not Philly. In the East, NY can be competitive and with a few smart moves be fine. I think we overstate here how horrific the circumstances are in NY.

Being the city that they are, their FA dollars (when eventually they get back in that game) mean a ton to players.

All we can do is judge by recent history, and recent history shows that the Knicks are an abomination of a basketball franchise. If they're not trading half the roster away one year, they're firing their coach in another.

No player can succeed when the FO doesn't let any sort of chemistry form.

Thats why Chicago is so much better of a team, we got Thibs, we got the core and we don't mess with it much. The only thing that finally got us to mess with the chemistry was Derrick Rose's damn knees.

Stability. Chemistry. Great coaching. Thats how we can plug and play pretty much anyone into this system and still win 48 games.

[DaeDae]

Some dumb Knicks fans really think the Bulls and Knicks are on the same level just because neither one has won a ring recently? lol

you really don't watch basketball then if thats what someone thinks

Stay classy.

[Ben]

He didnt "make" the knicks do anything. thats where you're going awry. I dont think informing Denver he was going to leave was selfish. That gave them an opportunity to field offers for him. NY made the best offer so thats where he ended up. He didnt make the Knicks trade for him.

Melo forced his way out and NY was dumb enough to trade the farm for him rather than risk losing him to the Nets. You're quibbling over semantics and small points. Melo wanted to go to the Knicks and he wanted to get paid the most money possible, and he was very happy to do so with a diminished roster rather than wait a few months, get less money, and play with a much stronger surrounding cast. Now find me a bunch of other stars who've done that.

You're grasping at straws and it's kind of sad. No one here (or very few people, at least) think that this past behavior makes Melo a terrible person. The point that Duck was making was just the opposite. He can go for the money if he wants; he's done it before, and he seems to be doing it now. Consistency. Bulls fans shouldn't be surprised. But if all of that holds true, the business about preferring winning to money was a farce from the start.

The Knicks decision to trade for Melo was strictly on James Dolan. That has been well documented. You cant fault Melo for letting Denver know he wanted out. After that everything was out of his control. New York Made that trade offer. Carmelo did not make that trade offer. Denever wasnt going to lose him for nothing and the Knicks took the bait and gave up alot to get him. Again this is all on Dolan and the FO.

Melo obviously cares about money....but no more then any other player.honestly wade is the only star player I can think of to take a paycut in their prime to help a team. And that wasnt a very significant paycut.

So you're not actually going to make an argument, you're just going to assert some things about which you have zero evidence-- Dolan's and Melo's inner thoughts, knowledge, and motivations--and then re-assert your initial contention that Melo's not more about money than anyone else. Here are the facts:

It was Anthony's refusal to take the extension when the Nuggets offered it to him last summer that forced them to explore trading their leading scorer. The Knicks hoped they could sign him next summer in free agency, but felt they couldn't wait because Anthony wanted the extension this season, before a new collective bargaining agreement next summer could severely restrict salaries, and that could have forced him to lock in long term with whatever team Denver traded him to.

So the Knicks agreed to trade four of their top six players, realizing there were few chances to add a player of Anthony's caliber to one like Stoudemire.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/Denv ... cks-022111

Melo wanted his max money in 2011. Melo seems to want his max money in 2014. That does NOT make him a bad guy. But it does make him about the money.

Unless you can provide some major, new evidence-- fact-based evidence, not your surmises about different people's inner thoughts--would you please let this go and head back to the Knicks board?

[organix85]

He will never get the props for winning a ring in Chi then in NY...FACT

Well, he will never win a ring in NY, so he will never know.

[Mbrahv0528]

HAHAHAHAHA....Dude stop it...What have the Bulls won since Jordan retired in 98? 1 ECF appearance and housed by the Heat 4-1 with a fully healthy and better Bulls team then today

The Knicks at least made the finals vs Spurs after Jordan retired from Bulls. So your Bulls have been to one ECF since MJ left bulls and Knicks 1 NBA finals.

What have the bulls done...Or are you living of Jordan still.

Bulls are a consistently top team in the NBA every year in the Thibs era. We won 48 games without our first and second best player. Knicks won 37 WITH their best player.

mmmkay

We are talking rings and your team has won none in 16 years and not been to a finals in 16 years. So the goal is to pitch that your bulls are a consistent playoff team in a crap EC?

Face it the Bulls have done nothing...If Melo wanted the Bulls he would go there for 16 a year and then ask Bulls to offer the Knicks 2 firsts and Butler or Mirotic. Knicks would budge at the end but they are confident Melo wants to stay as he has always stated...He has never said he is looking to leave Knicks.

He said he wants to win and that message is for the Knicks to do something....How is going to Chicago a step up from NY? Melo is a star like many that want to be the man and be the reason their team wins. In NY he has that stage and that hungry fanbase. In Chicago he would be looked at having to join another team who will help him supposedly get a ring at lower money. He will never get the props for winning a ring in Chi then in NY...FACT

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