Wiretap: Bulls Hope To Re-Sign Zach LaVine At $14M-$16M

Red Larrivee · Post #1621 » by **Red Larrivee** » Thu Jul 5, 2018 2:55 am

Hangtime84 wrote:Zach will quickly go from fan favorite to fan hated at 20 million.

Bulls should walk away we simply tank again for a better wing

Zach is a fan favorite?

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dumbell78 · Post #1622 » by **dumbell78** » Thu Jul 5, 2018 2:56 am

Red8911 wrote:If you guys sit and read some pages on this thread, everyone just keeps repeating the same arguments over and over lol. Hope this gets resolved sooner rather than later...

You aint lying.

TheGOATRises007 · Post #1623 » by **TheGOATRises007** » Thu Jul 5, 2018 3:05 am

WindyCityBorn wrote:
Eddy_JukeZ wrote:
WindyCityBorn wrote:
You are in denial. This the exact scenario that was going to play out when we traded him for while injured. He was never going to proven for deal he wanted. And no I'm not willing to let him walk so we can strike out on Butler, Irving, Thompson and Kawahi and be left holding our balls.

Lavine isn't worth any significant contract.

By all metrics, he's not conducive to winning and is a poor basketball player by NBA standards.

The people in charge clearly think he is.

So that automatically means he is?

The FO are now absolved of any criticism? Come on....

WindyCityBorn · Post #1624 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Thu Jul 5, 2018 3:05 am

Red Larrivee wrote:
Hangtime84 wrote:Zach will quickly go from fan favorite to fan hated at 20 million.

Bulls should walk away we simply tank again for a better wing

Zach is a fan favorite?

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Not a fan favorite yet, but this is absolutely the most negative place regarding him. I would say he is the most popular Bulls player strictly based on social media metrics. Could definitely see Lauri pass him soon though.

WindyCityBorn · Post #1625 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Thu Jul 5, 2018 3:07 am

Eddy_JukeZ wrote:
WindyCityBorn wrote:
Eddy_JukeZ wrote:
Lavine isn't worth any significant contract.

By all metrics, he's not conducive to winning and is a poor basketball player by NBA standards.

The people in charge clearly think he is.

So that automatically means he is?

The FO are now absolved of any criticism? Come on....

I didn't say or mean that, but they are in a better position to make that judgment than anyone on here.

TheGOATRises007 · Post #1626 » by **TheGOATRises007** » Thu Jul 5, 2018 3:08 am

WindyCityBorn wrote:
Eddy_JukeZ wrote:
WindyCityBorn wrote:
The people in charge clearly think he is.

So that automatically means he is?

The FO are now absolved of any criticism? Come on....

I didn't say or mean that, but they are in a better position to make that judgment than anyone on here.

The same FO that gave felicio 8 mil per.

Definitely in a better position.

WindyCityBorn · Post #1627 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Thu Jul 5, 2018 3:10 am

Eddy_JukeZ wrote:
WindyCityBorn wrote:
Eddy_JukeZ wrote:
So that automatically means he is?

The FO are now absolved of any criticism? Come on....

I didn't say or mean that, but they are in a better position to make that judgment than anyone on here.

The same FO that gave felicio 8 mil per.

Definitely in a better position.

Yes they are even if they make mistakes. Are you implying that you are more qualified than Paxson to make the decision?

NecessaryEvil · Post #1628 » by **NecessaryEvil** » Thu Jul 5, 2018 3:14 am

Other basketball boards seem to like Lavine alot. Only on this board is he an issue. I like Zach, I think he's a 25ppg all-star scoring SG when healthy.

Pay him 18 mill a yr. He'll be worth alot more.

I'll feel alot better if we sign him at 20 mill per if we trade Nwaba.

SensiBull · Post #1629 » by **SensiBull** » Thu Jul 5, 2018 3:17 am

WindyCityBorn wrote:
Red Larrivee wrote:
Hangtime84 wrote:Zach will quickly go from fan favorite to fan hated at 20 million.

Bulls should walk away we simply tank again for a better wing

Zach is a fan favorite?

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Not a fan favorite yet, but this is absolutely the most negative place regarding him. I would say he is the most popular Bulls player strictly based on social media metrics. Could definitely see Lauri pass him soon though.

It's funny that you say that, because, I just put the question to a Bulls fan who never heard of this board, and said that there are people on here who say that the Bulls "better" pay Zach $20MM.

His response?

He should get about the MLE, and, what's the 'or else' if he doesn't like it? No one else is making offers and he's restricted. So, the Bulls can match."

He's talking about this:

https://hoopshype.com/2016/11/04/hoopshype-explains-what-is-the-nba-mid-level-exception/

Post #1630 » by **RedBulls23** » Thu Jul 5, 2018 3:32 am

We heard the Kings were interested, but they haven't made an offer yet. Maybe they were interested, but decided not to make him an offer. If they are still interested, what are they waiting for?

SensiBull · Post #1631 » by **SensiBull** » Thu Jul 5, 2018 3:44 am

I don't know if it would be considered 'collusion' officially. Maybe a capologist or CBA expert can speak to that more specifically, but, it feels like no one wants to be the guy who made a pass at the other guy's wife.

I mean, it seems in the supreme interest of the Bulls to put an offer in on Clint Capela. Being that they are in another conference, it would have no blowback on us.

On the other hand, it feels like no one wants to be 'that guy' who started a bidding war where good players were had, but, at prices that could have been avoided if all of the GM's collectively just stood still.

Post #1632 » by **fleet** » Thu Jul 5, 2018 4:04 am

RedBulls23 wrote:We heard the Kings were interested, but they haven't made an offer yet. Maybe they were interested, but decided not to make him an offer. If they are still interested, what are they waiting for?

Lavine seems like he is on the back burner. Could be that all the players that are in the news right now (and some we dont know about that are available) are determining the priority of things. Multi-player multi-team deals being worked on that can hold up players like Lavine from getting solid offers right away. Who knows, maybe the Bulls are even exploring S&T deals for Lavine if he is pricing himself out of their range, and out of the range of teams with cap space.

Stratmaster · Post #1633 » by **Stratmaster** » Thu Jul 5, 2018 4:34 am

tiffac wrote:
Ctownbulls wrote:
tiffac wrote:I have a feeling the Bulls will match a 20M per year offer. It would be another PR nightmare if they don’t.
They would be praised if they passed.

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Not with the history of cheapness and huge cap space. Remember the not paying the europe thing. That’s not good even when its false, bad perception lingers.

I mean us fans will be okay with it (maybe some won’t) but the media will have a field day.

I'm with you. The Bulls trade Jimmy Butler and then let the main piece in the return walk because they don't want to pay him?

It would take a lot of popcorn to watch that fallout

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Post #1634 » by **fleet** » Thu Jul 5, 2018 4:42 am

Fan opinions/fallout are not on the checklist of things a good FO considers with regard to player decisions. And I'm not convinced Lavine was the centerpiece of anything. An ACL patient that has had a questionable career thus far does not seem like a centerpiece.

PetrieUnderstudy · Post #1635 » by **PetrieUnderstudy** » Thu Jul 5, 2018 4:42 am

RedBulls23 wrote:We heard the Kings were interested, but they haven't made an offer yet. Maybe they were interested, but decided not to make him an offer. If they are still interested, what are they waiting for?

IF the Kings make an offer the soonest it will be is Friday when the moratorium is over. Teams like the Bulls would then have 48 hours to match.

waffle · Post #1636 » by **waffle** » Thu Jul 5, 2018 4:42 am

NecessaryEvil wrote:Other basketball boards seem to like Lavine alot. Only on this board is he an issue. I like Zach, I think he's a 25ppg all-star scoring SG when healthy.

Pay him 18 mill a yr. He'll be worth alot more.

I'll feel alot better if we sign him at 20 mill per if we trade Nwaba.

but

all evidence suggests that is not likely.

his only real strength is athleticism. And an average jumper.

There are TONS of players in this league with similar bios. He has to learn to play within a system. Should we pay him 20 million + in the hope that he does?

I VERY much want Zach to succeed but my analytical side wants to bet the AGAINST

SensiBull · Post #1637 » by **SensiBull** » Thu Jul 5, 2018 4:45 am

Whereas, the alternative would only be this:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2018/02/01/joakim-noah-is-a-walking-embodiment-of-the-nbas-purse-tightening/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.8072a4e67f4c

dice · Post #1638 » by **dice** » Thu Jul 5, 2018 4:58 am

Stratmaster wrote:
tiffac wrote:
Ctownbulls wrote:They would be praised if they passed.

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Not with the history of cheapness and huge cap space. Remember the not paying the europe thing. That’s not good even when its false, bad perception lingers.

I mean us fans will be okay with it (maybe some won’t) but the media will have a field day.
I'm with you. The Bulls trade Jimmy Butler and then let the main piece in the return walk because they don't want to pay him?

It would take a lot of popcorn to watch that fallout

few would give a damn. because lauri is now far and away the best asset we received in the deal. and dunn looks promising

i'm quite sure that the bulls brass would prefer to win basketball games in the long term rather than overpay a guy to keep a few dumb fans happy in the short term

JimmyJammer · Post #1639 » by **JimmyJammer** » Thu Jul 5, 2018 5:01 am

It's about to get serious, people. Forget about the 2019 plan. Those of you who are saying the Bulls should let LaVine walk if he wants more than 16mil a season will be the first to kill the organization for letting him walk and watch him become a star with Sacremento.

The Sacramento Kings could be in the market for restricted free-agent Zach LaVine.

Per ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski, the Kings are "pretty serious" about making an offer for the veteran shooting guard.

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2784555-zach-lavine-rumors-kings-hoping-to-sign-restricted-free-agent-sg-to-offer-sheet.amp.html?%24deeplink_path=article%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Farticles%2F2784555-zach-lavine-rumors-kings-hoping-to-sign-restricted-free-agent-sg-to-offer-sheet&%24fallback_url=https%3A%2F%2Fsyndication.bleacherreport.com%2Famp%2F2784555-zach-lavine-rumors-kings-hoping-to-sign-restricted-free-agent-sg-to-offer-sheet.amp.html&_branch_match_id=4112264524090391454

Axolotl · Post #1640 » by **Axolotl** » Thu Jul 5, 2018 5:05 am

The main scenarios for LaVine's next season:

A. He improves, but is still not contributing to winning basketball. In this scenario he is not worth keeping long term.

B. He improves, and is no longer net negative. Worth keeping, but on a tradeable contract.

C. He improves significantly, and contributes to winning basketball. Obviously worth a major contract.

The problem is, we don't know which scenario will play out, or even how likely the scenarios are. This makes a prove it -contract appealing, if he can't be persuaded to a - from the team perspective - cautious longer term contract.

Comparing LaVine's situation to Felicio's limps. Felicio got paid on potential only. LaVine has NBA-years, and while his trajectory was upwards, the angle was not steep. Will he break out? No one knows.

What worries me is that LaVine's issue looks to be bbiq, and I'm not sure how much can be done about that. He may have had a green light to go for it and shoot away, but that isn't a green light to ignore teammates in a better position to score or to take heavily contested shots early on the shot clock.

So I worry. I worry that he gets paid as a player he would be if... "If" is just two letters, but makes a huge difference in the real world.

What's he worth?