Melo 15: The End Is Nigh

[WinCity]

The Front Office did well on Melo. The Derrick Rose Rule is our biggest hurdle imo.

that effing lockout f'ed us up royally. First we get his with the Rose Rule, thanks, then Rose gets hurt due to the condensed season.

best thing for the bulls that year would have been for no basketball to have been played. I think we have gotten screwed every new cba.

Yeah we were built to be awesome under the old CBA. The Rose injury killed us. I do give the FO credit for adjusting on the fly on both counts.

The thing about that Rose rule that i dont understand is why does the bonus count against the cap? That seems very punitive to the team. I understand the reasoning to allow exceptional players to earn more on the first contract after basically working for very, very little relative to their value while on their non-negotiable rookie deal. However, it seems to me the bonus amount should not hurt the teams cap figure.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

No, that's not likely at all.

What do you think Dallas does wrong?

That's a good question. Cuban is Exhibit A of the swaggy, free-wheeling owner, and Dallas has even won a title in recent memory, but they've failed to land a big fish in free agency in their last few attempts and had to settle for alternative paths that didn't lead to greater success. Now more than ever, players make the Decisions.

For Dallas age might have something to do with it. Dirks no spring chicken anymore and some of their other role players are also getting old or are old.

[kingkirk]

All right, i've snapped out of my faux woe is me and life schtick, and now back to reality.

12 months ago, could anyone have predicted that we'd be this far along with a genuine top 10 player actually considering us?

Woe is me was the chorus everyone was singing. ‘What the ****, we let Nate & Marco go, what are we doing!”.

Before that? “Asik is gone, holy **** we’re screwed”.

Then, of course, you had 2010.

Point is, we don’t know how things are going to pan out, and this whole courting of Anthony is testament to that.

Whether we stand to land Melo or not, who knows what is around the corner for this franchise?

Perhaps another star becomes available? Maybe we will have a better chance in free agency once we actually have another superstar around that can show he is legit?

In 2010, Rose was heading into his 3rd year and was not an MVP. In 2014, he is coming off 2 seasons missed with a knee.

If we miss on Anthony, and somehow are not interested in Love, it’s not the end of our hopes, despite the fallacy that exists that we need to do something this off season or its all for nothing.

I call bull. We good, and we have assets. Making rash decisions now is what a poor team does. We’re not that.

Second shift, starting now.

[kyrv]

No, that's not likely at all.

What do you think Dallas does wrong?

That's a good question. Cuban is Exhibit A of the swaggy, free-wheeling owner, and Dallas has even won a title in recent memory, but they've failed to land a big fish in free agency in their last few attempts and had to settle for alternative paths that didn't lead to greater success. Now more than ever, players make the Decisions.

Two LA teams, two NY teams have a total of one superstar FA, because he wanted to be a movie star, and that was going back a ways.

They can't close the deal despite being great destination cities.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

All right, i've snapped out of my faux woe is me and life schtick, and now back to reality.

12 months ago, could anyone have predicted that we'd be this far along with a genuine top 10 player actually considering us?

Woe is me was the chorus everyone was singing. ‘What the ****, we let Nate & Marco go, what are we doing!”.

Before that? “Asik is gone, holy **** we’re screwed”.

Then, of course, you had 2010.

Point is, we don’t know how things are going to pan out, and this whole courting of Anthony is testament to that.

Whether we stand to land Melo or not, who knows what is around the corner for this franchise?

Perhaps another star becomes available? Maybe we will have a better chance in free agency once we actually have another superstar around that can show he is legit?

In 2010, Rose was heading into his 3rd year and was not an MVP. In 2014, he is coming off 2 seasons missed with a knee.

If we miss on Anthony, and somehow are not interested in Love, it’s not the end of our hopes, despite the fallacy that exists that we need to do something this off season or its all for nothing.

I call bull. We good, and we have assets. Making rash decisions now is what a poor team does. We’re not that.

Second shift, starting now.

Word up sister.

[DRose4MVP]

However..

If you are Melo want would you feel if you see the headline that Rockets, Mavs and Laker will meet Lebron's agent before you announce your decision?

Huh?

[jc23]

visit Chicago, where we will make sure your team gives you the max.

[ryan44]

However..

If you are Melo want would you feel if you see the headline that Rockets, Mavs and Laker will meet Lebron's agent before you announce your decision?

Huh?

I dunno. I guess it's implying that Melo might feel insulted that those teams have the audacity to meet with LeBron James before he makes his decision? I highly doubt Melo is that egotistical that he thinks he'd be a bigger catch for a team than LeBron.

[ImSlower]

I thought from the get go that we'd need a max offer to get him. I suppose it could still happen. But no one should fault the guy for taking 130m. Maybe he truly thinks Phil can build a winner around him in 3 years.

[DerrickRose025]

the front office messed up on Melo in 2011 when they refused to give up Noah and Deng for Melo if we made that trade we prolly would still have Asik as well


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[ChiefILL53]

All right, i've snapped out of my faux woe is me and life schtick, and now back to reality.

12 months ago, could anyone have predicted that we'd be this far along with a genuine top 10 player actually considering us?

Woe is me was the chorus everyone was singing. ‘What the ****, we let Nate & Marco go, what are we doing!”.

Before that? “Asik is gone, holy **** we’re screwed”.

Then, of course, you had 2010.

Point is, we don’t know how things are going to pan out, and this whole courting of Anthony is testament to that.

Whether we stand to land Melo or not, who knows what is around the corner for this franchise?

Perhaps another star becomes available? Maybe we will have a better chance in free agency once we actually have another superstar around that can show he is legit?

In 2010, Rose was heading into his 3rd year and was not an MVP. In 2014, he is coming off 2 seasons missed with a knee.

If we miss on Anthony, and somehow are not interested in Love, it’s not the end of our hopes, despite the fallacy that exists that we need to do something this off season or its all for nothing.

I call bull. We good, and we have assets. Making rash decisions now is what a poor team does. We’re not that.

Second shift, starting now.

[WinCity]

All right, i've snapped out of my faux woe is me and life schtick, and now back to reality.

12 months ago, could anyone have predicted that we'd be this far along with a genuine top 10 player actually considering us?

Woe is me was the chorus everyone was singing. ‘What the ****, we let Nate & Marco go, what are we doing!”.

Before that? “Asik is gone, holy **** we’re screwed”.

Then, of course, you had 2010.

Point is, we don’t know how things are going to pan out, and this whole courting of Anthony is testament to that.

Whether we stand to land Melo or not, who knows what is around the corner for this franchise?

Perhaps another star becomes available? Maybe we will have a better chance in free agency once we actually have another superstar around that can show he is legit?

In 2010, Rose was heading into his 3rd year and was not an MVP. In 2014, he is coming off 2 seasons missed with a knee.

If we miss on Anthony, and somehow are not interested in Love, it’s not the end of our hopes, despite the fallacy that exists that we need to do something this off season or its all for nothing.

I call bull. We good, and we have assets. Making rash decisions now is what a poor team does. We’re not that.

Second shift, starting now.

Question:

Assuming we whiff on Melo going forward are you still on board with Pax's ongoing plan to peruse flexibility to sign a star free agent?

[BeatDaCavs420]

I got suspended 3 days was it deserved ehh i have my own thoughts on that but I wasn't trolling when it came to my thoughts on rose but from seeing that he was there for the recruiting process my apologies for going off the handled about it there is just some things i dont agree with what he does but I should of ended it instead of kept on going so my mistake

Anyways its good to be back and its kind of sad that it looks like melo is choosing money over winning rings and it seems like he just used us to be honest but with that said if this squad can stay healthy I fully believe in this team in Noah Rose Gibson Butler Thibs and so on,its just the matter of staying healthy also cant fault Gar/Pax on this they literally went all out and did the most they could...... now it will be even more of a pleasure to whoop the knicks and melo **** ass when we play them this upcoming season...hope he enjoys not winning a ring ever and 10 years from now he will be doing interviews saying my biggest regret was not winning a ring...still a chance I know to get him but looking slim

Good to be back though and go bulls!

[JohnnyKILLroy]

the front office messed up on Melo in 2011 when they refused to give up Noah and Deng for Melo if we made that trade we prolly would still have Asik as well


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It was NYK no matter what.

[SDBearsFan]

I accepted tonight that Melo isn't coming to Chicago, and I encourage those who haven't to. Truthfully this hurts, but I kept myself down the entire time (thankfully) so it doesn't hurt too bad.

The Bulls have a bright future; maybe they're not immediate contenders, but they're returning a better team and surely will upgrade, and down the road if someone becomes available, be it Love or whoever else, then we have some pieces we can move.

Lastly, I don't blame the front office one bit. In fact, kudos to them for going all out here and doing everything they could. Nothing else we as fans can ask for.

[mhsiao]

The thing about that Rose rule that i dont understand is why does the bonus count against the cap? That seems very punitive to the team. I understand the reasoning to allow exceptional players to earn more on the first contract after basically working for very, very little relative to their value while on their non-negotiable rookie deal. However, it seems to me the bonus amount should not hurt the teams cap figure.

I don't think Rose rule is same as the incentive Noah and Taj have on their contact. Rose rule isn't really a bonus. It set up to allows all star/mvp player to have bigger salary raise which is right thing to do do since you want to reward the MVP.

The problem is Rose had season ending injury two season in row.

Rose was making money that he was suppose to make in 3rd contact. I really hope Reggie and B.J won't demand another max for Rose when his contact is up because it will be the number that NY has offered to Melo right now. (However it will most likely be the case even Rose hasn't play for so long.)

[keloms]

If we miss on Anthony, and somehow are not interested in Love, it’s not the end of our hopes, despite the fallacy that exists that we need to do something this off season or its all for nothing.

I call bull. We good, and we have assets. Making rash decisions now is what a poor team does. We’re not that.

Second shift, starting now.

[Shill]

If we don't land Melo or Love, all is not lost.

We have the foundation of a 60-win team with two lottery talents coming in (McBuckets & Mirotic).

We just need to keep developing our homegrown talent. The only thing we're truly missing is a secondary ball-handler/creator. He doesn't even have to be a starter, just someone to sub in for Doug/Jimmy against certain match-ups.

[WesleyExChiFan]

All right, i've snapped out of my faux woe is me and life schtick, and now back to reality.

12 months ago, could anyone have predicted that we'd be this far along with a genuine top 10 player actually considering us?

Woe is me was the chorus everyone was singing. ‘What the ****, we let Nate & Marco go, what are we doing!”.

Before that? “Asik is gone, holy **** we’re screwed”.

Then, of course, you had 2010.

Point is, we don’t know how things are going to pan out, and this whole courting of Anthony is testament to that.

Whether we stand to land Melo or not, who knows what is around the corner for this franchise?

Perhaps another star becomes available? Maybe we will have a better chance in free agency once we actually have another superstar around that can show he is legit?

In 2010, Rose was heading into his 3rd year and was not an MVP. In 2014, he is coming off 2 seasons missed with a knee.

If we miss on Anthony, and somehow are not interested in Love, it’s not the end of our hopes, despite the fallacy that exists that we need to do something this off season or its all for nothing.

I call bull. We good, and we have assets. Making rash decisions now is what a poor team does. We’re not that.

Second shift, starting now.

yup. If Melo goes back to NY, then just move right along. I still believe he'll sign with us though. If I were him, I'd ask for a short deal with opt outs (ETO, PO) just for Rose injury insurance. Maybe he stomachs a paycut by gaining flexibility.

[WinCity]

The thing about that Rose rule that i dont understand is why does the bonus count against the cap? That seems very punitive to the team. I understand the reasoning to allow exceptional players to earn more on the first contract after basically working for very, very little relative to their value while on their non-negotiable rookie deal. However, it seems to me the bonus amount should not hurt the teams cap figure.

I don't think Rose rule is same as the incentive Noah and Taj have on their contact. Rose rule isn't really a bonus. It set up to allows all star/mvp player to have bigger salary raise which is right thing to do do since you want to reward the MVP.

The problem is Rose had season ending injury two season in row.

Rose was making money that he was suppose to make in 3rd contact. I really hope Reggie and B.J won't demand another max for Rose when his contact is up because it will be the number that NY has offered to Melo right now. (However it will most likely be the case even Rose hasn't play for so long.)

I understand its not a bonus in that sense. My bad for the poor choice of wording. However, the point stands: should the salary increase really count against the cap? Because while the player gets rewarded, and rightly so, the team gets hurt for drafting well and cultivating talent. That seems wrong.