Coronavirus

[bullsnewdynasty]

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[dougthonus]

Oh I’m not hurt.

My post that “caused” it was a post pointing out that the leader of the nation was attacking a State Gov and threatening it’s citizens due to pettiness.

That isn't what you were warned for and you know it.

If that’s a bad “off topic” post to what’s going on in this county.... enjoy the view from your head in the sand.

If you haven't notice this thread is about corona virus, not trump, it's also on a forum for the Chicago Bulls, so saying you can't discuss that here is not "burying your head in the sand".

You can feel free to discuss politics on the current affairs forum which is designated for that exact topic.

I know there is a political component to the response to coronavirus, and I'm happy to let that go while it stay civil. You couldn't keep it civil.

Any off topic content on the Bulls forum exists for as long as people can keep it civil. This is a basketball forum, it isn't a place where you have unlimited free speech to discuss anything. You have other alternatives for these exact conversations on this website though, and I have pointed you to that location. The current affairs forum.

Suspend me, ban me, do what you will Doug.

If you believe I’m an issue after being on this board... hell longer than you without even a warning, so be it.

Stop being a martyr. In your post, you even said "I know I'm going to get warned for this", so don't act like you didn't expect it, didn't deserve it, didn't do it purposefully, and didn't know it was wrong.

If my pointing out that someone is nothing more than troll warrants it, so be it.

Backseat moderating is against the forum rules. There is a report button. You could also easily have simply responded to the post without personal attacks, as probalby a half dozen other people did, including myself.

[dougthonus]

Maybe those governors shouldn't have spent the last 4 years ripping Trump and they'd have a better relationship.

Don't trash somebody nonstop and then expect them to come running to help you.

Are you really saying that it's okay that Trump hands out medical supplies and grants safety to the people of our nation based on the political friendliness of the governor of the state in question?

Trump doesn’t hand out medical supplies. Start by understanding the role of the federal government.

MI governor wants special favors from Trump and then whines when she doesn’t get them, acting entitled. There’s 50 states that need equipment.

And it’s convenient that the governor can just make an unsubstantiated claim that “WH is telling vendors to withhold supplies” that nobody even questions whether is true. It could have been totally made up, and probably was.

Since people are struggling to keep it civil, head over to the current affairs forum to talk further on this topic if you like.

[AKfanatic]

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[PaKii94]

Maybe those governors shouldn't have spent the last 4 years ripping Trump and they'd have a better relationship.

Don't trash somebody nonstop and then expect them to come running to help you.

Are you really saying that it's okay that Trump hands out medical supplies and grants safety to the people of our nation based on the political friendliness of the governor of the state in question?

Trump doesn’t hand out medical supplies. Start by understanding the role of the federal government.

MI governor wants special favors from Trump and then whines when she doesn’t get them, acting entitled. There’s 50 states that need equipment.

And it’s convenient that the governor can just make an unsubstantiated claim that “WH is telling vendors to withhold supplies” that nobody even questions whether is true. It could have been totally made up, and probably was.

What special favors did she ask from Trump? I'm genuinely curious.

As far as the bolded, due diligence should definitely be done but what would be the point in lying for something like that? It can easily be proven false if it is a false claim

[Wingy]

Meanwhile, the “President” takes to twitter to attack a Dem governor (Mi), while at the same time his mouthpiece at Fox is attacking Cuomo in NY.

The playbook is always so transparent, and yet media acts shocked and unable to predict or report on in. It’s always, fail, then shift the blame to the Dems.

This is a sad and pathetic time in America. We have a country run by a petty goon that is applauded by his base while his lack of leadership costs lives.

Maybe those governors shouldn't have spent the last 4 years ripping Trump and they'd have a better relationship.

Don't trash somebody nonstop and then expect them to come running to help you.

Perhaps the dumbest thing I’ve ever read on this board.

So he doesn’t like the governor...governor a meanie...so you make the people suffer? You know, the same people that voted for him and gave him MI’s electoral votes last time?

[TheStig]

Are you really saying that it's okay that Trump hands out medical supplies and grants safety to the people of our nation based on the political friendliness of the governor of the state in question?

Trump doesn’t hand out medical supplies. Start by understanding the role of the federal government.

MI governor wants special favors from Trump and then whines when she doesn’t get them, acting entitled. There’s 50 states that need equipment.

And it’s convenient that the governor can just make an unsubstantiated claim that “WH is telling vendors to withhold supplies” that nobody even questions whether is true. It could have been totally made up, and probably was.

What special favors did she ask from Trump? I'm genuinely curious.

As far as the bolded, due diligence should definitely be done but what would be the point in lying for something like that? It can easily be proven false if it is a false claim

I don't think all states should be treated equally. You have NY that has half the cases in the country. That clearly should be a special case. Not to mention some other hot spots.

[HomoSapien]

Meanwhile, the “President” takes to twitter to attack a Dem governor (Mi), while at the same time his mouthpiece at Fox is attacking Cuomo in NY.

The playbook is always so transparent, and yet media acts shocked and unable to predict or report on in. It’s always, fail, then shift the blame to the Dems.

This is a sad and pathetic time in America. We have a country run by a petty goon that is applauded by his base while his lack of leadership costs lives.

Maybe those governors shouldn't have spent the last 4 years ripping Trump and they'd have a better relationship.

Don't trash somebody nonstop and then expect them to come running to help you.

Um... what?

He's the president. I not only expect him to help during a pandemic, it's his god damn job to help the country. He's not just punishing the governor, he's punishing countless of people who have nothing to do with this.

[MalagaBulls]

We're hoping the curve flattens overhere in the next 5-7 days. Stay safe peeps.
The government might even tighten social distancing and most people are fine with it. We have diverging opinions but the vast majority are civil.

[MrSparkle]

I think Chicago’s in for a rough week. My nurse friend at Swedish said the intensive care dept. has become hell, with almost all the nurses testing positive or displaying symptoms due to lack of protective gear. Bunch of young fast-tracked nurses without the proper training are jumping onto the jobs while the others treat themselves at home. The McCormick Pl building won’t be ready for 4 weeks, but based on NY’s situation and today’s articles, I think we’re 1-2 weeks from hospitals being totally over-run in the city ala NYC. Nervous for my folks and older friends.

Fifth day I’m feeling mild shortness of breathe and deep cough, mildly groggy. Still, nothing major that makes me think I have it - hope just allergies or a minor cold.

[dice]

Meanwhile, the “President” takes to twitter to attack a Dem governor (Mi), while at the same time his mouthpiece at Fox is attacking Cuomo in NY.

The playbook is always so transparent, and yet media acts shocked and unable to predict or report on in. It’s always, fail, then shift the blame to the Dems.

This is a sad and pathetic time in America. We have a country run by a petty goon that is applauded by his base while his lack of leadership costs lives.

Maybe those governors shouldn't have spent the last 4 years ripping Trump and they'd have a better relationship.

Don't trash somebody nonstop and then expect them to come running to help you.

Um... what?

He's the president. I not only expect him to help during a pandemic, it's his god damn job to help the country. He's not just punishing the governor, he's punishing countless of people who have nothing to do with this.

people who, as was pointed out, mostly voted for HIM. if the state of michigan ends up costing him the presidency in november it would be quite appropriate

[bullsnewdynasty]

Are you really saying that it's okay that Trump hands out medical supplies and grants safety to the people of our nation based on the political friendliness of the governor of the state in question?

Trump doesn’t hand out medical supplies. Start by understanding the role of the federal government.

MI governor wants special favors from Trump and then whines when she doesn’t get them, acting entitled. There’s 50 states that need equipment.

And it’s convenient that the governor can just make an unsubstantiated claim that “WH is telling vendors to withhold supplies” that nobody even questions whether is true. It could have been totally made up, and probably was.

What special favors did she ask from Trump? I'm genuinely curious.

As far as the bolded, due diligence should definitely be done but what would be the point in lying for something like that? It can easily be proven false if it is a false claim

There's 50 states that need medical equipment with a finite supply that the federal government doesn't control.

She wanted Trump's help getting medical equipment that is under unprecedented demand directed to her state specifically, despite the fact that there are shortages everywhere.

[kyrv]

We're hoping the curve flattens overhere in the next 5-7 days. Stay safe peeps.
The government might even tighten social distancing and most people are fine with it. We have diverging opinions but the vast majority are civil.

Good luck.

When this started i read one article where the scientist said in their model, if each person infects two people, the cases will double every six days. The states I have been following, have been doubling every 3 days or so, like doubling twice in one week - ouch.

More sobering is that of course not everyone is tested so the actual cases most likely has to be way higher. I read the other day even still in one county you could get drive thru tested ONLY if you had symptoms AND were in a high risk group. That's really limiting of course.

Honestly, and maybe I watch too many sci-fi movies, I think we very lucky that the vast majority of people don't need to be hospitalized and the death rate is 'low'.

Some tough decisions will have to be made, well some already have been made. The world economy I don't think can just take a year off. Does someone have the numbers, are shelter in place orders, are they flattening the curve? The states I look at, they aren't at all. I guess we can assume it would be even worse.

I don't think there are easy answers for Governors or country leaders. I do think the scientists warned the world. I was shocked when the US let people in from China, first case was like a Washington state man who had been to China. Not sure why he wasn't quarantined. I suppose there will be tons of hard lessons learned from this.

Belarus I think is still playing football, major kudos to them hope they can keep going. Australia kept it going for a while and managed to finish the women's season.

I don't know. Be safe everyone.

[kyrv]

I would like to see somebody develop a scale of risky behaviors. Like going to a crowded party or bar would be 95. Being on a cruise ship, 90. Riding a crowded subway or bus, 85. Being someone who delivers packages, 75. Taking a walk outside for exercise, but maintaining 6' distance, 3. Going grocery shopping, 12. Having a family get together, 65. Pumping gas, 32. Passing by your neighbor in the hallway, 8. Going to a packed church service, 82. Having your kid play in the playground with other kids, 47. Etc.

That way people could make better choices, and it wouldn't be an all or nothing sort of thing. I think there could be a middle ground between staying in lockdown for 3 months, and just saying (as Trump seems to want to do soon) "it's over, everyone go back to normal". We could open up a lot of things again (at some point), and do it safely, if we just take a lot of precautions. Just as many places like grocery stores already are- doing a thorough cleaning every night, only letting so many people into the store at a time, reminding people about the 6' distancing, etc. I think society could function at some percentage of normal productivity that way, while still blunting the spread of the virus. And if people had a scale to measure risk by, they could better manage their exposure.

I agree, different activities vary greatly in their risk. Since getting gas is one of the few things I need to do now, I don't know, that seems pretty low risk. Bring hand soap or sanitizer. Use it. Pump gas. Use it again. Typically aren't close to anyone. Gas stations should be periodically also cleaning the pump handles but I'm guessing most aren't.

[MalagaBulls]

We're hoping the curve flattens overhere in the next 5-7 days. Stay safe peeps.
The government might even tighten social distancing and most people are fine with it. We have diverging opinions but the vast majority are civil.

Good luck.

When this started i read one article where the scientist said in their model, if each person infects two people, the cases will double every six days. The states I have been following, have been doubling every 3 days or so, like doubling twice in one week - ouch.

More sobering is that of course not everyone is tested so the actual cases most likely has to be way higher. I read the other day even still in one county you could get drive thru tested ONLY if you had symptoms AND were in a high risk group. That's really limiting of course.

Honestly, and maybe I watch too many sci-fi movies, I think we very lucky that the vast majority of people don't need to be hospitalized and the death rate is 'low'.

Some tough decisions will have to be made, well some already have been made. The world economy I don't think can just take a year off. Does someone have the numbers, are shelter in place orders, are they flattening the curve? The states I look at, they aren't at all. I guess we can assume it would be even worse.

I don't think there are easy answers for Governors or country leaders. I do think the scientists warned the world. I was shocked when the US let people in from China, first case was like a Washington state man who had been to China. Not sure why he wasn't quarantined. I suppose there will be tons of hard lessons learned from this.

Belarus I think is still playing football, major kudos to them hope they can keep going. Australia kept it going for a while and managed to finish the women's season.

I don't know. Be safe everyone.

There is a theory a cluster of our Madrid infections came from a Champions League game between one of the Madrid teams & AC Milán in Milán.

[MalagaBulls]

I would like to see somebody develop a scale of risky behaviors. Like going to a crowded party or bar would be 95. Being on a cruise ship, 90. Riding a crowded subway or bus, 85. Being someone who delivers packages, 75. Taking a walk outside for exercise, but maintaining 6' distance, 3. Going grocery shopping, 12. Having a family get together, 65. Pumping gas, 32. Passing by your neighbor in the hallway, 8. Going to a packed church service, 82. Having your kid play in the playground with other kids, 47. Etc.

That way people could make better choices, and it wouldn't be an all or nothing sort of thing. I think there could be a middle ground between staying in lockdown for 3 months, and just saying (as Trump seems to want to do soon) "it's over, everyone go back to normal". We could open up a lot of things again (at some point), and do it safely, if we just take a lot of precautions. Just as many places like grocery stores already are- doing a thorough cleaning every night, only letting so many people into the store at a time, reminding people about the 6' distancing, etc. I think society could function at some percentage of normal productivity that way, while still blunting the spread of the virus. And if people had a scale to measure risk by, they could better manage their exposure.

I agree, different activities vary greatly in their risk. Since getting gas is one of the few things I need to do now, I don't know, that seems pretty low risk. Bring hand soap or sanitizer. Use it. Pump gas. Use it again. Typically aren't close to anyone. Gas stations should be periodically also cleaning the pump handles but I'm guessing most aren't.

We've seen a special unit of Army called in (4000 troops) who are disinfecting airports, nursing homes, public buildings, etc. They even built a mobile hospital at the IFEMA Madrid site that will have 5000 normal beds and 500 ICU beds.

https://www.thelocal.es/20200322/madrid-turns-conference-centre-into-big-field-hospital

[dice]

I would like to see somebody develop a scale of risky behaviors. Like going to a crowded party or bar would be 95. Being on a cruise ship, 90. Riding a crowded subway or bus, 85. Being someone who delivers packages, 75. Taking a walk outside for exercise, but maintaining 6' distance, 3. Going grocery shopping, 12. Having a family get together, 65. Pumping gas, 32. Passing by your neighbor in the hallway, 8. Going to a packed church service, 82. Having your kid play in the playground with other kids, 47. Etc.

That way people could make better choices, and it wouldn't be an all or nothing sort of thing. I think there could be a middle ground between staying in lockdown for 3 months, and just saying (as Trump seems to want to do soon) "it's over, everyone go back to normal". We could open up a lot of things again (at some point), and do it safely, if we just take a lot of precautions. Just as many places like grocery stores already are- doing a thorough cleaning every night, only letting so many people into the store at a time, reminding people about the 6' distancing, etc. I think society could function at some percentage of normal productivity that way, while still blunting the spread of the virus. And if people had a scale to measure risk by, they could better manage their exposure.

I agree, different activities vary greatly in their risk. Since getting gas is one of the few things I need to do now, I don't know, that seems pretty low risk. Bring hand soap or sanitizer. Use it. Pump gas. Use it again. Typically aren't close to anyone. Gas stations should be periodically also cleaning the pump handles but I'm guessing most aren't.

isn't it sufficient to just use the sanitizer AFTER touching something a lot of strangers are touching?

i'm just wearing winter gloves and if i happen to touch something that strangers are touching (entering debit card pin number, for example) i try to use knuckles instead of fingers and wipe my hands on my shirt afterward, then take off my shirt when i get home and wash my hands

[tialeoni]

There is a theory a cluster of our Madrid infections came from a Champions League game between one of the Madrid teams & AC Milán in Milán.

I think the game you are referring was Atalanta vs Valencia, in Milan.
There was another game scheduled, Inter Milan vs Getafe still in Milan, but has not been played due to coronavirus and the Getafe team never went to Italy.
So that's pretty inaccurate I guess.

[MalagaBulls]

There is a theory a cluster of our Madrid infections came from a Champions League game between one of the Madrid teams & AC Milán in Milán.

I think the game you are referring was Atalanta vs Valencia, in Milan.
There was another game scheduled, Inter Milan vs Getafe still in Milan, but has not been played due to coronavirus and the Getafe team never went to Italy.
So that's pretty inaccurate I guess.

Yup, you're right my bad. A sports reporter covering that match came back positive.

[kyrv]

I would like to see somebody develop a scale of risky behaviors. Like going to a crowded party or bar would be 95. Being on a cruise ship, 90. Riding a crowded subway or bus, 85. Being someone who delivers packages, 75. Taking a walk outside for exercise, but maintaining 6' distance, 3. Going grocery shopping, 12. Having a family get together, 65. Pumping gas, 32. Passing by your neighbor in the hallway, 8. Going to a packed church service, 82. Having your kid play in the playground with other kids, 47. Etc.

That way people could make better choices, and it wouldn't be an all or nothing sort of thing. I think there could be a middle ground between staying in lockdown for 3 months, and just saying (as Trump seems to want to do soon) "it's over, everyone go back to normal". We could open up a lot of things again (at some point), and do it safely, if we just take a lot of precautions. Just as many places like grocery stores already are- doing a thorough cleaning every night, only letting so many people into the store at a time, reminding people about the 6' distancing, etc. I think society could function at some percentage of normal productivity that way, while still blunting the spread of the virus. And if people had a scale to measure risk by, they could better manage their exposure.

I agree, different activities vary greatly in their risk. Since getting gas is one of the few things I need to do now, I don't know, that seems pretty low risk. Bring hand soap or sanitizer. Use it. Pump gas. Use it again. Typically aren't close to anyone. Gas stations should be periodically also cleaning the pump handles but I'm guessing most aren't.

isn't it sufficient to just use the sanitizer AFTER touching something a lot of strangers are touching?

i'm just wearing winter gloves and if i happen to touch something that strangers are touching (entering debit card pin number, for example) i try to use knuckles instead of fingers and wipe my hands on my shirt afterward, then take off my shirt when i get home and wash my hands

Seems like yes that should be more than sufficient. I hope so, that's kind of my working assumption. Wore gloves once but it's like 90 here every day. ;p Also have used my shirt to open doors, turn on a public water faucet. From what we know, which isn't much I guess, but from everything I read ya it doesn't like cloth much.