2025 Draft prospects - thread 2

[Repeat 3-peat]

#12: CMB, or Noa,

Call and see if the Portland pick is enough to acquire a late first from OKC, or Nets for a center. Both team listed have more than one pick, and have no roster spots(OKC specifically) for more young players. Yang/Wolf/Kalkbrenner

#45: Jamir Watkins, Javon Small, Koby Brea (contract will be converted in TWC)

[Chi town]

#12: CMB, or Noa,

Call and see if the Portland pick is enough to acquire a late first from OKC, or Nets for a center. Both team listed have more than one pick, and have no roster spots(OKC specifically) for more young players. Yang/Wolf/Kalkbrenner

#45: Jamir Watkins, Javon Small, Koby Brea (contract will be converted in TWC)

POR pick could be 15-18 next season.

Is that worth BKN’s 19 this year? Then they still have 26 and 27 this year.

No way OKC and BKN can make all those picks.

[sco]

#12: CMB, or Noa,

Call and see if the Portland pick is enough to acquire a late first from OKC, or Nets for a center. Both team listed have more than one pick, and have no roster spots(OKC specifically) for more young players. Yang/Wolf/Kalkbrenner

#45: Jamir Watkins, Javon Small, Koby Brea (contract will be converted in TWC)

POR pick could be 15-18 next season.

Is that worth BKN’s 19 this year? Then they still have 26 and 27 this year.

No way OKC and BKN can make all those picks.

Yeah, I love the idea of getting one of those OKC picks. I think the late depth is better than usual this year.

[Repeat 3-peat]

#12: CMB, or Noa,

Call and see if the Portland pick is enough to acquire a late first from OKC, or Nets for a center. Both team listed have more than one pick, and have no roster spots(OKC specifically) for more young players. Yang/Wolf/Kalkbrenner

#45: Jamir Watkins, Javon Small, Koby Brea (contract will be converted in TWC)

POR pick could be 15-18 next season.

Is that worth BKN’s 19 this year? Then they still have 26 and 27 this year.

No way OKC and BKN can make all those picks.

Maybe? I'm willing to use the pick if it could be used on a bigman prospect. I really like those 3 center I listed. The West is so deep, I won't count on Portland making the playoffs without an All-NBA player, they got a nice team but still far away Imo.

19 might be tough, but I believe those picks at 26 and 27 will be available. OKC loves their future picks, and again they have a lot of young players on the roster now they struggle to find playing time. Nikola Topic will also return from injury. #24 could had.

[Chi town]

#12: CMB, or Noa,

Call and see if the Portland pick is enough to acquire a late first from OKC, or Nets for a center. Both team listed have more than one pick, and have no roster spots(OKC specifically) for more young players. Yang/Wolf/Kalkbrenner

#45: Jamir Watkins, Javon Small, Koby Brea (contract will be converted in TWC)

POR pick could be 15-18 next season.

Is that worth BKN’s 19 this year? Then they still have 26 and 27 this year.

No way OKC and BKN can make all those picks.

Maybe? I'm willing to use the pick if it could be used on a bigman prospect. I really like those 3 center I listed. The West is so deep, I won't count on Portland making the playoffs without an All-NBA player, they got a nice team but still far away Imo.

19 might be tough, but I believe those picks at 26 and 27 will be available. OKC loves their future picks, and again they have a lot of young players on the roster now they struggle to find playing time. Nikola Topic will also return from injury. #24 could had.

BKN Jazz Wiz Hawks OKC all in that range with their 2nd pick.

Maybe thats the trade for Drake Powell pick.
I’d go for Beringer there.

You’d think POR pick plus our 2nd should get us 20ish pick.

[Hangtime84]

With this logic, I assume you have Demin and Wolf very high on your draft board too?

Playing Noa with Buzelis basically puts all of the outside shooting needs squarely on Coby's shoulders. If Giddey is sub par from 3, and our SF in Buzelis is also pretty sub par (can make a wide open spot up, that's about it), the 4 has to be a knock down shooter or it simply won't work.

Noa is so similar to Buzelis that picking Noa makes both of them far more risky back to back picks than their potential would suggest. If Noa busts, it would be like P Will/Terry all over again, just at a different position.

Noa is 19 years old. If they draft him you hope that his shooting improves. Fleming improved his shooting during his three years in college.

Buzelis shot well from three for a rookie and the idea is that he'll continue to improve. Last year he shot .361 on 3.3 attempts. As for Giddey I don't think he'll regress, but who knows.

They also have Huerter who shot .371 on 7.2 attempts per game.

Like I said...I like Fleming too and would be okay with the Bulls drafting either player.

I'm not sold on Denim, but I understand the idea that Duck has talked about here on the boards (a team of players who know how to pass). Wolf I like less so and don't think the Bulls should draft him at 12.

Yep.

I trust in Buz’s shot. He upped the volume and percentage after the trade deadline and he’s a great FT shooter. I project him as a plus shooter in high volume as he takes and makes contested shots without any hesitation and shoots over defenders with his length. Opposite of Pat who only shoots wide open 3s and hesitates when he’s just open.

Noa may never be a plus shooter but his form looks really solid and fluid. He played most of this season as a 17 year old against pros. He just had the two game winning buckets in OT in the playoffs. No way he lasts till 12.

He and Buz compliment each other really well and would be an absolute menace on D with deflections and blocks. I think it would equate to elite rim protection with them on the court and a shooting C like Jalen Smith.

Billy always plays guards over wings so I’d expect Noa in time to get some mins at the 5.

My dream draft is Noa and Small in the 2nd.

Expect it to be more like Coward and Rocco which I’d be happy with but more lower ceilings.

Big on Noa as well. But I can see teams like Brooklyn (they need high upside talent and complements Claxton or Portland choosing him.

Most mocks have them choosing the similar players that we are projected to be looking at minus Queen.

[Almost Retired]

#12: CMB, or Noa,

Call and see if the Portland pick is enough to acquire a late first from OKC, or Nets for a center. Both team listed have more than one pick, and have no roster spots(OKC specifically) for more young players. Yang/Wolf/Kalkbrenner

#45: Jamir Watkins, Javon Small, Koby Brea (contract will be converted in TWC)

POR pick could be 15-18 next season.

Is that worth BKN’s 19 this year? Then they still have 26 and 27 this year.

No way OKC and BKN can make all those picks.

I've been playing with the NBA Draft simulator. It always accepts my trade offer with Brooklyn...our #12 and #45 for their #19 and #26. And I almost always come away with Fleming at #19 (not always) and either Walter Clayton Jr of one of the 2nd tier Centers with #26.

[sco]

#12: CMB, or Noa,

Call and see if the Portland pick is enough to acquire a late first from OKC, or Nets for a center. Both team listed have more than one pick, and have no roster spots(OKC specifically) for more young players. Yang/Wolf/Kalkbrenner

#45: Jamir Watkins, Javon Small, Koby Brea (contract will be converted in TWC)

POR pick could be 15-18 next season.

Is that worth BKN’s 19 this year? Then they still have 26 and 27 this year.

No way OKC and BKN can make all those picks.

I've been playing with the NBA Draft simulator. It always accepts my trade offer with Brooklyn...our #12 and #45 for their #19 and #26. And I almost always come away with Fleming at #19 (not always) and either Walter Clayton Jr of one of the 2nd tier Centers with #26.

what's the link to the draft sim?

[kodo]

#12: CMB, or Noa,

Call and see if the Portland pick is enough to acquire a late first from OKC, or Nets for a center. Both team listed have more than one pick, and have no roster spots(OKC specifically) for more young players. Yang/Wolf/Kalkbrenner

#45: Jamir Watkins, Javon Small, Koby Brea (contract will be converted in TWC)

POR pick could be 15-18 next season.

Is that worth BKN’s 19 this year? Then they still have 26 and 27 this year.

No way OKC and BKN can make all those picks.

The POR pick is far more valuable to POR than any other team, because their obligation to Chicago could literally stop them from getting the MIL pick which could be excellent with Lillard going down and Giannis potentially moving. I would definitely see what POR can offer for their pick back first over a 19th pick from BKN.

[Muzbar]

POR pick could be 15-18 next season.

Is that worth BKN’s 19 this year? Then they still have 26 and 27 this year.

No way OKC and BKN can make all those picks.

I've been playing with the NBA Draft simulator. It always accepts my trade offer with Brooklyn...our #12 and #45 for their #19 and #26. And I almost always come away with Fleming at #19 (not always) and either Walter Clayton Jr of one of the 2nd tier Centers with #26.

what's the link to the draft sim?

This is the one I play around with, not sure if it's the same one AR uses:

https://fanspo.com/nba/mock-draft-simulator

[Dan Z]

#12: CMB, or Noa,

Call and see if the Portland pick is enough to acquire a late first from OKC, or Nets for a center. Both team listed have more than one pick, and have no roster spots(OKC specifically) for more young players. Yang/Wolf/Kalkbrenner

#45: Jamir Watkins, Javon Small, Koby Brea (contract will be converted in TWC)

POR pick could be 15-18 next season.

Is that worth BKN’s 19 this year? Then they still have 26 and 27 this year.

No way OKC and BKN can make all those picks.

The POR pick is far more valuable to POR than any other team, because their obligation to Chicago could literally stop them from getting the MIL pick which could be excellent with Lillard going down and Giannis potentially moving. I would definitely see what POR can offer for their pick back first over a 19th pick from BKN.

Is it the 2028 swap that you're talking about? If I have it correct Portland has the right to swap their pick with Milwaukee, but if they end up with a pick that's 14 or higher than it goes to the Bulls...?

That doesn't sound like it's a big deal. If they're 14 or better that means their team improved. If not then they get another lottery pick and can potentially go higher in the draft due to the swap.

However, I do think they'd want their pick back, but I'm not sure how much they value it. I wish AK did a better job of negotiating the protections on it.

I'm not against using it to move up or get another pick in the draft, but I don't know how valuable it is to other teams.

[Chi town]

#12: CMB, or Noa,

Call and see if the Portland pick is enough to acquire a late first from OKC, or Nets for a center. Both team listed have more than one pick, and have no roster spots(OKC specifically) for more young players. Yang/Wolf/Kalkbrenner

#45: Jamir Watkins, Javon Small, Koby Brea (contract will be converted in TWC)

POR pick could be 15-18 next season.

Is that worth BKN’s 19 this year? Then they still have 26 and 27 this year.

No way OKC and BKN can make all those picks.

The POR pick is far more valuable to POR than any other team, because their obligation to Chicago could literally stop them from getting the MIL pick which could be excellent with Lillard going down and Giannis potentially moving. I would definitely see what POR can offer for their pick back first over a 19th pick from BKN.

Wow. Did not know this?

What are the protections?

Could there be an Ayo or Zo trade for them to remove their rights from the 11 pick this year?

[Chi town]

POR pick could be 15-18 next season.

Is that worth BKN’s 19 this year? Then they still have 26 and 27 this year.

No way OKC and BKN can make all those picks.

The POR pick is far more valuable to POR than any other team, because their obligation to Chicago could literally stop them from getting the MIL pick which could be excellent with Lillard going down and Giannis potentially moving. I would definitely see what POR can offer for their pick back first over a 19th pick from BKN.

Is it the 2028 swap that you're talking about? If I have it correct Portland has the right to swap their pick with Milwaukee, but if they end up with a pick that's 14 or higher than it goes to the Bulls...?

That doesn't sound like it's a big deal. If they're 14 or better that means their team improved. If not then they get another lottery pick and can potentially go higher in the draft due to the swap.

However, I do think they'd want their pick back, but I'm not sure how much they value it. I wish AK did a better job of negotiating the protections on it.

I'm not against using it to move up or get another pick in the draft, but I don't know how valuable it is to other teams.

I’d give them their pick back for Camara

[JohnnyKILLroy]

#12: CMB, or Noa,

Call and see if the Portland pick is enough to acquire a late first from OKC, or Nets for a center. Both team listed have more than one pick, and have no roster spots(OKC specifically) for more young players. Yang/Wolf/Kalkbrenner

#45: Jamir Watkins, Javon Small, Koby Brea (contract will be converted in TWC)

POR pick could be 15-18 next season.

Is that worth BKN’s 19 this year? Then they still have 26 and 27 this year.

No way OKC and BKN can make all those picks.

Yeah, I love the idea of getting one of those OKC picks. I think the late depth is better than usual this year.

Really ? I think it’s worse. From 20 on and maybe the first 10 picks of the 2nd round NIL money reduces the talent. A bunch of guys went back to school and got paid.

[Hangtime84]

POR pick could be 15-18 next season.

Is that worth BKN’s 19 this year? Then they still have 26 and 27 this year.

No way OKC and BKN can make all those picks.

The POR pick is far more valuable to POR than any other team, because their obligation to Chicago could literally stop them from getting the MIL pick which could be excellent with Lillard going down and Giannis potentially moving. I would definitely see what POR can offer for their pick back first over a 19th pick from BKN.

Wow. Did not know this?

What are the protections?

Could there be an Ayo or Zo trade for them to remove their rights from the 11 pick this year?

I had to use ChatGPT for this to understand Portland perspective. They can afford to wait two seasons at least unless a Giannis trade shows itself earlier.

1. Timing of the Chicago obligation is everything. Resolve it ASAP and you (a) unlock all outbound-pick trades and (b) guarantee you can collect the 2028 MIL swap if it spikes.
2. The upside of that swap dwarfs a mid-first now. Even a top-20 pick from Brooklyn (say #19) is trivial compared with the exponential value swing between #4 and #18.
3. Portland controls its destiny. They can either:
• Pay a modest toll to Bulls in 2025, protect the MIL windfall, and gain strategic freedom (best-case), or
• Gamble on natural conveyance, risk horrible timing, and stay frozen on the trade market for three more years (worst-case).

[HomoSapien]

Some 2nd round targets for me:

Hansen Yang
Adou Thiero
Ryan Kalkbrenner

All three could be gone by the time we pick, but they'll all likely be 2nd round picks.

[GuardianEnzo]

If we're looking at who that consensus top 6 guy that slides is this year, I just have a gut feeling it might be Kneuppel. I'm not a huge fan but it would be hard to pass if he fell to 12.

I think it's maybe even likely Jakučionis is there at 12, but I'm not sure I'd view that as a drop.

[BullsSD]

Some 2nd round targets for me:

Hansen Yang
Adou Thiero
Ryan Kalkbrenner

All three could be gone by the time we pick, but they'll all likely be 2nd round picks.

Agreed on all of these. I think Thiero is definitely gone. Kalkbrenner or Yang could very well be at 45, along with Ziccarsky. Do you not like Rocco?

[Donkedave]

POR pick could be 15-18 next season.

Is that worth BKN’s 19 this year? Then they still have 26 and 27 this year.

No way OKC and BKN can make all those picks.

The POR pick is far more valuable to POR than any other team, because their obligation to Chicago could literally stop them from getting the MIL pick which could be excellent with Lillard going down and Giannis potentially moving. I would definitely see what POR can offer for their pick back first over a 19th pick from BKN.

Wow. Did not know this?

What are the protections?

Could there be an Ayo or Zo trade for them to remove their rights from the 11 pick this year?

I said this to Pipfan 2 weeks ago but is still posting every trade including it. If G gets traded, it is much more valuable

[GuardianEnzo]

Some 2nd round targets for me:

Hansen Yang
Adou Thiero
Ryan Kalkbrenner

All three could be gone by the time we pick, but they'll all likely be 2nd round picks.

Agreed on all of these. I think Thiero is definitely gone. Kalkbrenner or Yang could very well be at 45, along with Ziccarsky. Do you not like Rocco?

I would be all over Rocco if he were there in the 2nd. A huge body and real talent.