Trade Thread: Armchair GMs welcomed

[dougthonus]

Is it possible to do a S&T deal with Clips/Beverly for Dunn?

In a crazy world, I would do a sign and trade Jimmy for Porter/Taj for Felicio, Dunn for Beverly and do we still have cap space for Kyrie?

Those trades seem like you are adding net salary, and you're presently 12m short of what you need for Irving, so I would guess no, you aren't close to being able to do that.

[dougthonus]

Random thought everyone will probably hate:

Chris Paul +picks to the Bulls
Felicio + Dunn to the Rockets

Dumping Dunn and Felicio basically saves 20 million over the life of his contract due to the bad salary you are removing which makes it 3/104 for Paul. I think Paul has his issues, but seems like he may actually much better with our team than with the Rockets due to us likely having a much more ball movement oriented offense.

Probably helps you more than anyone else you could add for a year or two. Almost certainly kills you by that final year.

Houston sends some type of future 1sts to compensate for taking on a ton of bad long term salary as well which allows them to reset around Harden.

[Axolotl]

Random thought everyone will probably hate:

Chris Paul +picks to the Bulls
Felicio + Dunn to the Rockets

Dumping Dunn and Felicio basically saves 20 million over the life of his contract due to the bad salary you are removing which makes it 3/104 for Paul. I think Paul has his issues, but seems like he may actually much better with our team than with the Rockets due to us likely having a much more ball movement oriented offense.

Probably helps you more than anyone else you could add for a year or two. Almost certainly kills you by that final year.

Houston sends some type of future 1sts to compensate for taking on a ton of bad long term salary as well which allows them to reset around Harden.

Hate confirmed. Well, maybe not hate, but strong dislike. Chris Paul is toxic, and his contract is toxic. Would need to be a big big haul to come with CP to compensate for all those toxins.

[panthermark]

Random thought everyone will probably hate:

Chris Paul +picks to the Bulls
Felicio + Dunn to the Rockets

Dumping Dunn and Felicio basically saves 20 million over the life of his contract due to the bad salary you are removing which makes it 3/104 for Paul. I think Paul has his issues, but seems like he may actually much better with our team than with the Rockets due to us likely having a much more ball movement oriented offense.

Probably helps you more than anyone else you could add for a year or two. Almost certainly kills you by that final year.

Houston sends some type of future 1sts to compensate for taking on a ton of bad long term salary as well which allows them to reset around Harden.

[Bulls Fan 23]

Why haven't we traded some scraps to the Lakers for Mo Wagner?

If they need to clear space, let's help them

[sco]

Why haven't we traded some scraps to the Lakers for Mo Wagner?

If they need to clear space, let's help them

I'm with you, but folks don't see him as a PF (I do), and they want Gafford to get C min.

I'm still all in on OKC guys like Roberson or Adams on salary deals.

[superdave]

Random thought everyone will probably hate:

Chris Paul +picks to the Bulls
Felicio + Dunn to the Rockets

Dumping Dunn and Felicio basically saves 20 million over the life of his contract due to the bad salary you are removing which makes it 3/104 for Paul. I think Paul has his issues, but seems like he may actually much better with our team than with the Rockets due to us likely having a much more ball movement oriented offense.

Probably helps you more than anyone else you could add for a year or two. Almost certainly kills you by that final year.

Houston sends some type of future 1sts to compensate for taking on a ton of bad long term salary as well which allows them to reset around Harden.

There is that report out there that Bulls might get invoked in CP3 salary dump for Rockets pursuit of Jimmy Buckets. How about:

Bulls trade: Dunn, Felicio, Valentine
Houston trades: CP3 plus 2 first round picks

Still hate it overall but it gives the Bulls a vet and someone to guide Coby. CP3 and Lavine come off the books 3 years out. Houston gets a reboot and a chance at a younger FA.

[sco]

Random thought everyone will probably hate:

Chris Paul +picks to the Bulls
Felicio + Dunn to the Rockets

Dumping Dunn and Felicio basically saves 20 million over the life of his contract due to the bad salary you are removing which makes it 3/104 for Paul. I think Paul has his issues, but seems like he may actually much better with our team than with the Rockets due to us likely having a much more ball movement oriented offense.

Probably helps you more than anyone else you could add for a year or two. Almost certainly kills you by that final year.

Houston sends some type of future 1sts to compensate for taking on a ton of bad long term salary as well which allows them to reset around Harden.

There is that report out there that Bulls might get invoked in CP3 salary dump for Rockets pursuit of Jimmy Buckets. How about:

Bulls trade: Dunn, Felicio, Valentine
Houston trades: CP3 plus 2 first round picks

Still hate it overall but it gives the Bulls a vet and someone to guide Coby. CP3 and Lavine come off the books 3 years out. Houston gets a reboot and a chance at a younger FA.

First, I don't think there was a report that the Bulls were considering it, I think it was just a spitballing piece. Sentiment here is that CP3 is a selfish player and his contract is the worst in the NBA and 2 (likely late) 1sts is not adequate compensation for essentially being out of the FA market for 3 years.

[dougthonus]

First, I don't think there was a report that the Bulls were considering it, I think it was just a spitballing piece. Sentiment here is that CP3 is a selfish player and his contract is the worst in the NBA and 2 (likely late) 1sts is not adequate compensation for essentially being out of the FA market for 3 years.

Yeah, I think it would take more than 2 firsts, and some interesting options to take on Paul's contract. You'd also have to want him as an organization and have to feel like he's willing to do his best for you and not be pouty. Lots of risks there that only make sense if things lined up just right.

[samwana]

I hate Chris Paul and don't want him, his toxic contract, his toxic behavior and toxic whatever else on my team.

He happens to be as big an ass as he carries around..

No thanks.

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[MrSparkle]

Getting Chris Paul would be a terrible, terrible move unless 2 or 3 future FRPs came attached. It was HOU’s dumb decision to max a 34yo who had just missed half the season with injuries.

In the end, just stretch-waive Felicio’s last year if it needs to be done for a max FA next summer. Would be like a $2m cap hit at worst (8m over 4y) which is insignificant unless Reinsdorf’s trying to avoid the luxury tax.

With CP3, you are taking on $88m. That is insane. I didn’t even think Wade’s $25m option was that big a deal, but in the end it was a huge deal — it totally sabotaged the Bulls’ summer flexibility.

You’re talking 44m in that last year? No way.

[sco]

What about taking Tyler Johnson's crappy deal not that he opted in if we take Saric. Maybe they would take Dunn in exchange.

[samwana]

What about taking Tyler Johnson's crappy deal not that he opted in if we take Saric. Maybe they would take Dunn in exchange.

The Suns may be the one team who could use Dunn. Or at least a team we could sucker into a deal for Dunn.

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[WYO]

Getting Chris Paul would be a terrible, terrible move unless 2 or 3 future FRPs came attached. It was HOU’s dumb decision to max a 34yo who had just missed half the season with injuries.

In the end, just stretch-waive Felicio’s last year if it needs to be done for a max FA next summer. Would be like a $2m cap hit at worst (8m over 4y) which is insignificant unless Reinsdorf’s trying to avoid the luxury tax.

With CP3, you are taking on $88m. That is insane. I didn’t even think Wade’s $25m option was that big a deal, but in the end it was a huge deal — it totally sabotaged the Bulls’ summer flexibility.

You’re talking 44m in that last year? No way.

I think Chicago has one of the better rosters to maximize Chris Paul with the shooters on the roster, but even then what is the ceiling of that team? I don't see how the Bulls are contenders with Paul at his best unless Lavine and Lauri become elite. That contract is so bad that I wouldn't touch it unless 4 unprotected firsts and swaps in the other years come with him for table scraps.

On the other hand I think the middling playoff team Paul would bring to Chicago would be more enjoyable than the "we'll have room for 2 max players while we lose" version of the Bulls we've seen since the fall of Rose. No one is signing in Chicago unless they're already here. Paul might actually make the Bulls watchable again for the next few years while we all pretend ownership and the front office aren't actually inept.

[Nikola]

Random thought everyone will probably hate:

Chris Paul +picks to the Bulls
Felicio + Dunn to the Rockets

Dumping Dunn and Felicio basically saves 20 million over the life of his contract due to the bad salary you are removing which makes it 3/104 for Paul. I think Paul has his issues, but seems like he may actually much better with our team than with the Rockets due to us likely having a much more ball movement oriented offense.

Probably helps you more than anyone else you could add for a year or two. Almost certainly kills you by that final year.

Houston sends some type of future 1sts to compensate for taking on a ton of bad long term salary as well which allows them to reset around Harden.

If his deal was a year shorter I would highly consider it. But as is it would take the Bulls out of free agency for the next 8-9 years. Hard pass.

[drosereturn]

Random thought everyone will probably hate:

Chris Paul +picks to the Bulls
Felicio + Dunn to the Rockets

Dumping Dunn and Felicio basically saves 20 million over the life of his contract due to the bad salary you are removing which makes it 3/104 for Paul. I think Paul has his issues, but seems like he may actually much better with our team than with the Rockets due to us likely having a much more ball movement oriented offense.

Probably helps you more than anyone else you could add for a year or two. Almost certainly kills you by that final year.

Houston sends some type of future 1sts to compensate for taking on a ton of bad long term salary as well which allows them to reset around Harden.

Since they are sending Felicio I would lower the demand from 4 to 3 unprotected picks preferably (21,23,25)

[MrSparkle]

Getting Chris Paul would be a terrible, terrible move unless 2 or 3 future FRPs came attached. It was HOU’s dumb decision to max a 34yo who had just missed half the season with injuries.

In the end, just stretch-waive Felicio’s last year if it needs to be done for a max FA next summer. Would be like a $2m cap hit at worst (8m over 4y) which is insignificant unless Reinsdorf’s trying to avoid the luxury tax.

With CP3, you are taking on $88m. That is insane. I didn’t even think Wade’s $25m option was that big a deal, but in the end it was a huge deal — it totally sabotaged the Bulls’ summer flexibility.

You’re talking 44m in that last year? No way.

I think Chicago has one of the better rosters to maximize Chris Paul with the shooters on the roster, but even then what is the ceiling of that team? I don't see how the Bulls are contenders with Paul at his best unless Lavine and Lauri become elite. That contract is so bad that I wouldn't touch it unless 4 unprotected firsts and swaps in the other years come with him for table scraps.

On the other hand I think the middling playoff team Paul would bring to Chicago would be more enjoyable than the "we'll have room for 2 max players while we lose" version of the Bulls we've seen since the fall of Rose. No one is signing in Chicago unless they're already here. Paul might actually make the Bulls watchable again for the next few years while we all pretend ownership and the front office aren't actually inept.

Wade, Rondo, Pau, Boozer, Wallace...

We’ve seen it play out. I realize Paul is more skilled and a distributor first and foremost... but he’d also be the oldest and most expensive from the lot.

This fanbase and FO are ruthless when well-paid guys don’t dive for loose-balls and play hard defense.

[WYO]

Getting Chris Paul would be a terrible, terrible move unless 2 or 3 future FRPs came attached. It was HOU’s dumb decision to max a 34yo who had just missed half the season with injuries.

In the end, just stretch-waive Felicio’s last year if it needs to be done for a max FA next summer. Would be like a $2m cap hit at worst (8m over 4y) which is insignificant unless Reinsdorf’s trying to avoid the luxury tax.

With CP3, you are taking on $88m. That is insane. I didn’t even think Wade’s $25m option was that big a deal, but in the end it was a huge deal — it totally sabotaged the Bulls’ summer flexibility.

You’re talking 44m in that last year? No way.

I think Chicago has one of the better rosters to maximize Chris Paul with the shooters on the roster, but even then what is the ceiling of that team? I don't see how the Bulls are contenders with Paul at his best unless Lavine and Lauri become elite. That contract is so bad that I wouldn't touch it unless 4 unprotected firsts and swaps in the other years come with him for table scraps.

On the other hand I think the middling playoff team Paul would bring to Chicago would be more enjoyable than the "we'll have room for 2 max players while we lose" version of the Bulls we've seen since the fall of Rose. No one is signing in Chicago unless they're already here. Paul might actually make the Bulls watchable again for the next few years while we all pretend ownership and the front office aren't actually inept.

Wade, Rondo, Pau, Boozer, Wallace...

We’ve seen it play out. I realize Paul is more skilled and a distributor first and foremost... but he’d also be the oldest and most expensive from the lot.

This fanbase and FO are ruthless when well-paid guys don’t dive for loose-balls and play hard defense.

I completely agree with you. It would be a bad move, but at least it would be interesting. I don't see Chicago's losing ways changing until the front office and ownership changes. Obviously that isn't happening so all we can do as fans is hope they put a mildly interesting product on the floor imo.

[Ccwatercraft]

The dick puncher? Just say no.

[kodo]

Chris Paul won’t play here he’ll demand to be waived before setting foot in Chicago. Taking on his contract means paying him $40M per year to play for the Lakers.