The Kevin Love Thread: Update PG. 67, 78

[85Bears]

If love comes and we send butler, will Corey Brewer come back to pal up with Noah

What is a better trade chip Taj Gibson on a decent contract or Nikola Mirotic and his potential?

I would rather keep Mirotic

[Leto]

I think that one of the biggest problems is that Kevin Love sucks against Miami- chokes 1 out of every 3 games and is damned near a wash with Bosh. Meanwhile, Carmelo is a damned near wash with Bron, Bron being way better on both ends. Yeah Ill take the latter... Easy decision. IMO Love is as much of a 1st option as Harden is with similar defense.

Exactly. But if you ask Minny fans they think the Bulls "offer" is Butler, Gibson, #16, #19, rights to Mirotic. That basically tears down Chicago to the bone for one guy who is James Harden level defense and relies on high P&R to get his offense. I might consider that package for Lebron James, but Kevin Love? No chance.

[Magilla_Gorilla]

This is a good example of why those stats are flawed.

What I find interesting from the results from last season: Love+Pekovic on the court played slightly better defensively than Anthony+Chandler, adjusted for teammates and opponents. I guess that is something to think about ...

Go ask NY fans what they thought of Chandlers defense last season. He had as down a year as he has ever had (and thats saying something). He was a shell of the player that won DPOY two years ago.

[Chitownbulls]

Now I'm calling BS, but take this for what you will -

From the Chicago Bulls Reddit page...

http://www.reddit.com/r/chicagobulls/co ... liar_with/

This Bulls "offer" to Minnesota is completely made up (as some of you know already). Bulls aren't too high on Love because of his contract and really both sides haven't talked to each other at all. I will say that i know for a fact that the Bulls have called regarding Love but the convo really didn't go anywhere. This happened about a week ago or so.
Oh ya be prepared for a BIG trade on draft night. Its not 100% but it will sure be the headline if these wheels stayed greased till then.
Regards, Someone who hopefully doesn't lose his job soon

I can't really see how this isn't made up but I guess we'll just have to wait and see. This will be a long few weeks.

Also, he said "I'm familiar with people within the FO" yet says 'I hope I don't lose my job". Thought I'd post it but yeah, I'm not convinced either but what he said or the credibility of who he says he is.

If true, this means the Bulls are really high on Mirotic. He's a bigger stretch four than Love, and if he pans out, he will be a decent player in the NBA.

Bulls best scenario would be to acquire Melo in a S&T, keep Taj, and bring Mirotic over.

CHI Gets: Melo
NYK Gets: TPE and 16th & 19th Picks (or Top 8 Pick if the Bulls move up)
PHI Gets: Boozer & SAC Pick

Yes this is what I want to see get done. Mirotic can be a 14-16ppg player IMO, while playing on a small contract for the next 3-4 years. That's what you need, good players on small contracts.

Rose
Butler....or Shooter in FA
Melo
Taj, Mirotic
Noah

That's the best team we have had since MJ.

[Chitownbulls]

If love comes and we send butler, will Corey Brewer come back to pal up with Noah

What is a better trade chip Taj Gibson on a decent contract or Nikola Mirotic and his potential?

I would rather keep Mirotic

I think taj as well. For one, he's in the NBA. lol almost got 6th man, his defense is unreal and his post game keeps developing. Mirotic is all potential until we actually see him in the league. I don't see any team giving up too many assets for him.

[Ice Man]

But if you ask Minny fans they think the Bulls "offer" is Butler, Gibson, #16, #19, rights to Mirotic.

Minnesota won't remotely get that much in return for Love. Minnie is 6 months away from having no leverage at all, as we were with Deng.

It will get 3 of those 5 items, either from Bulls or the equivalent from other teams. No more than that.

[TheStig]

The Heat have gotten 29 games of 20+ points from options 3+ (Bosh, Chalmers, Allen, J. Jones, Miller) just since 2010.

Same time frame, Noah/Taj/Butler have given you SEVEN.

You simply cannot ask Rose and someone else (albeit Anthony, Love, whoever) to carry a team with Noah, Butler, and Gibson playing beside them. That's three guys who don't shoot well from the perimeter, handle the basketball well (Noah does well for his position but not incredibly well in the overall sense), or put any sort of pressure on the opposing team.

Anthony maybe fits better but I wouldn't pass on Love if Minnesota wanted to do a deal because of a potential Anthony deal.

Bosh has 23 games over 20 points this year.
Chalmers 1.
Allen 2.
Beasley 2.
Douglas 1.

Thats 29 this year alone. Last year was 31. They get much more consistent scoring from outside of Bron and Wade.

[Leto]

The Heat have gotten 29 games of 20+ points from options 3+ (Bosh, Chalmers, Allen, J. Jones, Miller) just since 2010.

Same time frame, Noah/Taj/Butler have given you SEVEN.

You simply cannot ask Rose and someone else (albeit Anthony, Love, whoever) to carry a team with Noah, Butler, and Gibson playing beside them. That's three guys who don't shoot well from the perimeter, handle the basketball well (Noah does well for his position but not incredibly well in the overall sense), or put any sort of pressure on the opposing team.

Anthony maybe fits better but I wouldn't pass on Love if Minnesota wanted to do a deal because of a potential Anthony deal.

Bosh has 23 games over 20 points this year.
Chalmers 1.
Allen 2.
Beasley 2.
Douglas 1.

Thats 29 this year alone. Last year was 31. They get much more consistent scoring from outside of Bron and Wade.

Wins: Miami: 54 Chicago :48

[mrlancers]

Regarding the Reddit post, isn't it more consistent that if the Bulls do make a trade that it will be with somebody we're not expecting? Usually when the Bulls make a trade, it sorta just happens. Deng to Cleveland was a surprise to me. I don't recall any smoke to that rumor before it happened. The front office never seems to tip their hand to any of the beat writers which is why KC, Friedell and Sam Smith always respond to everything like throwing a bucket of ice water on you while you're taking a shower.

The trade market for high-level talent seems sorta barren right now, so I wonder if maybe the Bulls are trying to trade for a high draft pick or maybe someone's on the market we really didn't think about like Al Horford or Rudy Gay.

Or I'm just overanalyzing everything because I'm bored and desperate for actual trades to happen. Yeah, that's probably it.

[Hans Embiid]

If love comes and we send butler, will Corey Brewer come back to pal up with Noah

What is a better trade chip Taj Gibson on a decent contract or Nikola Mirotic and his potential?

I would rather keep Mirotic

I think taj as well. For one, he's in the NBA. lol almost got 6th man, his defense is unreal and his post game keeps developing. Mirotic is all potential until we actually see him in the league. I don't see any team giving up too many assets for him.

I thought about it. You keep Mirotic, cause either of Mirotic or Taj would be a role player or 6th man at best with Love in Chicago. Taj has his highest value right now it doesn't get any younger.

On the other hand if you package Taj with some other assets it's easier to match salaries.

[coldfish]

Now I'm calling BS, but take this for what you will -

From the Chicago Bulls Reddit page...

http://www.reddit.com/r/chicagobulls/co ... liar_with/

This Bulls "offer" to Minnesota is completely made up (as some of you know already). Bulls aren't too high on Love because of his contract and really both sides haven't talked to each other at all. I will say that i know for a fact that the Bulls have called regarding Love but the convo really didn't go anywhere. This happened about a week ago or so.
Oh ya be prepared for a BIG trade on draft night. Its not 100% but it will sure be the headline if these wheels stayed greased till then.
Regards, Someone who hopefully doesn't lose his job soon

I can't really see how this isn't made up but I guess we'll just have to wait and see. This will be a long few weeks.

Also, he said "I'm familiar with people within the FO" yet says 'I hope I don't lose my job". Thought I'd post it but yeah, I'm not convinced either but what he said or the credibility of who he says he is.

Ralph has touched on this. The other stuff I have read and heard indicate that the Bulls have a truly awful plan in place that will get going on draft night. If you are one of the "burn it down" guys, you very well might get your wish. It conflicts somewhat with the Love leaks.

[TheStig]

The Heat have gotten 29 games of 20+ points from options 3+ (Bosh, Chalmers, Allen, J. Jones, Miller) just since 2010.

Same time frame, Noah/Taj/Butler have given you SEVEN.

You simply cannot ask Rose and someone else (albeit Anthony, Love, whoever) to carry a team with Noah, Butler, and Gibson playing beside them. That's three guys who don't shoot well from the perimeter, handle the basketball well (Noah does well for his position but not incredibly well in the overall sense), or put any sort of pressure on the opposing team.

Anthony maybe fits better but I wouldn't pass on Love if Minnesota wanted to do a deal because of a potential Anthony deal.

Bosh has 23 games over 20 points this year.
Chalmers 1.
Allen 2.
Beasley 2.
Douglas 1.

Thats 29 this year alone. Last year was 31. They get much more consistent scoring from outside of Bron and Wade.

Wins: Miami: 54 Chicago :48

The Heat didn't care about the regular season. Thibs lived for it.

[RedBulls23]

Now I'm calling BS, but take this for what you will -

From the Chicago Bulls Reddit page...

http://www.reddit.com/r/chicagobulls/co ... liar_with/

This Bulls "offer" to Minnesota is completely made up (as some of you know already). Bulls aren't too high on Love because of his contract and really both sides haven't talked to each other at all. I will say that i know for a fact that the Bulls have called regarding Love but the convo really didn't go anywhere. This happened about a week ago or so.
Oh ya be prepared for a BIG trade on draft night. Its not 100% but it will sure be the headline if these wheels stayed greased till then.
Regards, Someone who hopefully doesn't lose his job soon

I can't really see how this isn't made up but I guess we'll just have to wait and see. This will be a long few weeks.

Also, he said "I'm familiar with people within the FO" yet says 'I hope I don't lose my job". Thought I'd post it but yeah, I'm not convinced either but what he said or the credibility of who he says he is.

Ralph has touched on this. The other stuff I have read and heard indicate that the Bulls have a truly awful plan in place that will get going on draft night. If you are one of the "burn it down" guys, you very well might get your wish. It conflicts somewhat with the Love leaks.

The plan only becomes awful if the finished product doesn't include Melo or Love on a title contender.

[DJhitek]

Now I'm calling BS, but take this for what you will -

From the Chicago Bulls Reddit page...

http://www.reddit.com/r/chicagobulls/co ... liar_with/

This Bulls "offer" to Minnesota is completely made up (as some of you know already). Bulls aren't too high on Love because of his contract and really both sides haven't talked to each other at all. I will say that i know for a fact that the Bulls have called regarding Love but the convo really didn't go anywhere. This happened about a week ago or so.
Oh ya be prepared for a BIG trade on draft night. Its not 100% but it will sure be the headline if these wheels stayed greased till then.
Regards, Someone who hopefully doesn't lose his job soon

I can't really see how this isn't made up but I guess we'll just have to wait and see. This will be a long few weeks.

Also, he said "I'm familiar with people within the FO" yet says 'I hope I don't lose my job". Thought I'd post it but yeah, I'm not convinced either but what he said or the credibility of who he says he is.

Ralph has touched on this. The other stuff I have read and heard indicate that the Bulls have a truly awful plan in place that will get going on draft night. If you are one of the "burn it down" guys, you very well might get your wish. It conflicts somewhat with the Love leaks.

What awful plan is that? Sorry if I've missed it earlier in the thread.

[Chi town]

Now I'm calling BS, but take this for what you will -

From the Chicago Bulls Reddit page...

http://www.reddit.com/r/chicagobulls/co ... liar_with/

This Bulls "offer" to Minnesota is completely made up (as some of you know already). Bulls aren't too high on Love because of his contract and really both sides haven't talked to each other at all. I will say that i know for a fact that the Bulls have called regarding Love but the convo really didn't go anywhere. This happened about a week ago or so.
Oh ya be prepared for a BIG trade on draft night. Its not 100% but it will sure be the headline if these wheels stayed greased till then.
Regards, Someone who hopefully doesn't lose his job soon

I can't really see how this isn't made up but I guess we'll just have to wait and see. This will be a long few weeks.

Also, he said "I'm familiar with people within the FO" yet says 'I hope I don't lose my job". Thought I'd post it but yeah, I'm not convinced either but what he said or the credibility of who he says he is.

Ralph has touched on this. The other stuff I have read and heard indicate that the Bulls have a truly awful plan in place that will get going on draft night. If you are one of the "burn it down" guys, you very well might get your wish. It conflicts somewhat with the Love leaks.

As in keeping Booz and drafting euro stashes to avoid the tax???

[Magilla_Gorilla]

Now I'm calling BS, but take this for what you will -

From the Chicago Bulls Reddit page...

http://www.reddit.com/r/chicagobulls/co ... liar_with/



I can't really see how this isn't made up but I guess we'll just have to wait and see. This will be a long few weeks.

Also, he said "I'm familiar with people within the FO" yet says 'I hope I don't lose my job". Thought I'd post it but yeah, I'm not convinced either but what he said or the credibility of who he says he is.

Ralph has touched on this. The other stuff I have read and heard indicate that the Bulls have a truly awful plan in place that will get going on draft night. If you are one of the "burn it down" guys, you very well might get your wish. It conflicts somewhat with the Love leaks.

What awful plan is that? Sorry if I've missed it earlier in the thread.

If it includes Butler and 16 for Barnes (as Ralph has mentioned on several occasions) - I'm going to weep. Literally weep. I'll be inconsolable.

Not because I value Jimmy that much, but because I think Barnes is just that bad.

[MGB8]

I don't know if the Bulls seriously thought Love was available, though.

We know that Boozer is likely gone, one way or another. We know that they like Love and Melo. We know they like Taj and would prefer to keep him (but it's not likely if they get Love). We don't know how much they like Mirotic. We know they have picks to trade.

Salary wise, Boozer, Taj, Ronnie Brewer and Dunleavy work for Love, Kevin Martin, Budinger and Luc M-M. Or you could substitute Shved in there for Budinger or K-Mart (I think the Bulls would want Luc back if they traded away Taj to get a reserve 4 (really 3/4) with experience).

That's a lot of long term financial savings for the Wolves. And for the Bulls, they save having to pay Boozer for no production. You don't even have to move Butler (and I don't know how much the Wolves would be interested in him, given Corey Brewer, Muhammed, and the need to re-sign Butler pretty soon).

I don't know if the Bulls would be willing to take on that kind of salary for Love. But they should be willing to, given the "savings" from not amnestying Boozer and the fact that, at least on paper, that's a contending roster with a couple moves (e.g. resign DJ, another backup center).

pg: Rose, DJ
sg: Martin, Snell
sf: Butler, Budinger
pf: Love, Luc M-M, (Smith)
cc: Noah, (FA), Smith

[DJhitek]

Got it Magilla, I think we discussed that earlier this week. I was not aware that was a "rumor". I wouldn't sacrifice a 16th pick for Barnes. I have a hard time believing that the Bulls would make such a move.

[TheStig]

Now I'm calling BS, but take this for what you will -

From the Chicago Bulls Reddit page...

http://www.reddit.com/r/chicagobulls/co ... liar_with/

This Bulls "offer" to Minnesota is completely made up (as some of you know already). Bulls aren't too high on Love because of his contract and really both sides haven't talked to each other at all. I will say that i know for a fact that the Bulls have called regarding Love but the convo really didn't go anywhere. This happened about a week ago or so.
Oh ya be prepared for a BIG trade on draft night. Its not 100% but it will sure be the headline if these wheels stayed greased till then.
Regards, Someone who hopefully doesn't lose his job soon

I can't really see how this isn't made up but I guess we'll just have to wait and see. This will be a long few weeks.

Also, he said "I'm familiar with people within the FO" yet says 'I hope I don't lose my job". Thought I'd post it but yeah, I'm not convinced either but what he said or the credibility of who he says he is.

Ralph has touched on this. The other stuff I have read and heard indicate that the Bulls have a truly awful plan in place that will get going on draft night. If you are one of the "burn it down" guys, you very well might get your wish. It conflicts somewhat with the Love leaks.

Fish, I'm fond of the Gibsons and Butlers. But we will never get a Love or Melo without sacrificing them. Maybe management has learned from their overvaluing of BG, Deng, Kirk, Noc and Duhon.

[bad knees]

Ralph has touched on this. The other stuff I have read and heard indicate that the Bulls have a truly awful plan in place that will get going on draft night. If you are one of the "burn it down" guys, you very well might get your wish. It conflicts somewhat with the Love leaks.

What awful plan is that? Sorry if I've missed it earlier in the thread.

If it includes Butler and 16 for Barnes (as Ralph has mentioned on several occasions) - I'm going to weep. Literally weep. I'll be inconsolable.

Not because I value Jimmy that much, but because I think Barnes is just that bad.

I'd be right with you. Of all the directions the Bulls could go on draft night, that would be among the worst.