Love #5: P. 88, Bulls 'moving on' from Love

DRoseCantStop · Post #1701 » by **DRoseCantStop** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:36 pm

D_GoLow wrote:
DRoseCantStop wrote:
D_GoLow wrote:
That was also the last time he played a full season healthy.

The good ol' days

What's your point?

Derrick used to ball?

Just reminiscing....

D_GoLow · Post #1702 » by **D_GoLow** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:37 pm

DRoseCantStop wrote:
johnnyvann840 wrote:
DRoseCantStop wrote:Derrick Rose.

He deserved it in 2011.

you are right about that..but if you think the Bulls should still go after Love with the HOPE he is going to stay here. I strongly disagree. That is a gamble you just don't make. Screw him.. He either commits, or we're not interested in giving up shiiit for him on a rental..

I wave the white flag on Love and move on to Anthony Davis/Kevin Durant

Why don't we move on with this team & next season first? :lol:

DRoseCantStop · Post #1703 » by **DRoseCantStop** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:38 pm

D_GoLow wrote:
DRoseCantStop wrote:
johnnyvann840 wrote:
you are right about that..but if you think the Bulls should still go after Love with the HOPE he is going to stay here. I strongly disagree. That is a gamble you just don't make. Screw him.. He either commits, or we're not interested in giving up shiiit for him on a rental..

I wave the white flag on Love and move on to Anthony Davis/Kevin Durant

Why don't we move on to this team & next season

I'm pretty sure the FO has no other choice but to move on.

D_GoLow · Post #1704 » by **D_GoLow** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:39 pm

DRoseCantStop wrote:
D_GoLow wrote:
DRoseCantStop wrote:The good ol' days

What's your point?

Derrick used to ball?

Just reminiscing....

Yea, why wouldn't Anthony Davis or Kevin Durant not want to team up with DRose?

He was the MVP 5 years ago (when they're FAs).

Sounds like a no brainer to me.

johnnyvann840 · Post #1705 » by **johnnyvann840** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:39 pm

DRoseCantStop wrote:
johnnyvann840 wrote:
DRoseCantStop wrote:Derrick Rose.

He deserved it in 2011.

you are right about that..but if you think the Bulls should still go after Love with the HOPE he is going to stay here. I strongly disagree. That is a gamble you just don't make. Screw him.. He either commits, or we're not interested in giving up shiiit for him on a rental..

I wave the white flag on Love and move on to Anthony Davis/Kevin Durant

Before or after you trade Taj and Jimmy/or McD, or Niko, or future 1sts for him? I'm not giving up jack shiiit if he doesn't commit to an ext. . NADA. If Love is not signing an ext then this whole point is moot as far as I'm concerned. The Bulls would have to be idiots to trade anything of value for a one year rental without an iron clad guarantee he is signing long term.

panthermark · Post #1706 » by **panthermark** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:40 pm

johnnyvann840 wrote:you are right about that..but if you think the Bulls should still go after Love with the HOPE he is going to stay here. I strongly disagree. That is a gamble you just don't make. Screw him.. He either commits, or we're not interested in giving up shiiit for him on a rental..

I hear you on that...
This came up two days ago....and it is one of those things where I would feel much better if Love would come out and say that he WILL re-sign with whatever team he goes to, and that the ONLY reason will become a free agent is strictly for financial reasons due to the CBA.

I know his word isn't binding, I would feel a lot better having it.

Proven_Winner · Post #1707 » by **Proven_Winner** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:43 pm

TheStig wrote:
Proven_Winner wrote:If the FO doesn't want Love that bad then there is no reason to criticize. Apparently they don't think he's worth the asking price especially since he's gone next year and most likely getting the max. Everyone keeps saying we are attached to our players so much, but didn't we let BG go? Didn't we trade Deng and Kirk? Didn't we let Omer go?

Just because we didn't get a borderline superstar who would've cost a ton to get doesn't mean we should be bashing the FO.

But we do this all of the time and its silly. Deng wasn't worth Gasol. And then we dump Deng for future flexibility.

I have no doubt that Kevin Love will have a better career than Gibson or Dougie. Stars win in this league and a team built around Rose, Noah and Love has a bright future.

The problem with that last part is that we don't know if love would stay here we just assume he woulld, but we all know he has been linked to LA forever. The Bulls just really didn't want to go out for a gguy who could leave them for LA.

I mean I wish they took more risk, but at the same time I understand why they don't sometimes.

PMONSTER · Post #1708 » by **PMONSTER** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:44 pm

We need to make sure that we put together a package that makes the Cleveland Cavaliers give up Andrew Wiggins, while making sure that we don't give up too much pieces.

That's all

AAU Teammate · Post #1709 » by **AAU Teammate** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:45 pm

Imagine Bulls RealGM if there was a super-major trade in place but we had to wait 30 days by rule to complete it

It'd be Melo plus Amare combined in thread count

Hardfoul · Post #1710 » by **Hardfoul** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:45 pm

I love how some people have such perfect information that they know for certain that Garpax were just not willing to give up certain assets for KLove when there is alot of conflicting info in this regard. This in the face of reports by Sheridan (who by the way very emphatically asserted that Lebron was going to Cleveland before anyone else), that we offered Taj, McDirty, and Mirotic, and that offer was also confirmed by another Bulls insider on this board.

I can only assume that whatever Minny were looking for to trump the Cleveland Wiggins offer was a bridge too far for Garpax. I also know that for a player like Kevin Love, there is most certainly a bridge to far and I'm very happy that we didn't "do anything to trade for Kevin Love". Other than Noah and Rose, the next best assets are Taj, McDirty, and Mirotic, and it certainly seems like they all were all on the table.

TheStig · Post #1711 » by **TheStig** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:49 pm

Proven_Winner wrote:
TheStig wrote:
Proven_Winner wrote:If the FO doesn't want Love that bad then there is no reason to criticize. Apparently they don't think he's worth the asking price especially since he's gone next year and most likely getting the max. Everyone keeps saying we are attached to our players so much, but didn't we let BG go? Didn't we trade Deng and Kirk? Didn't we let Omer go?

Just because we didn't get a borderline superstar who would've cost a ton to get doesn't mean we should be bashing the FO.

But we do this all of the time and its silly. Deng wasn't worth Gasol. And then we dump Deng for future flexibility.

I have no doubt that Kevin Love will have a better career than Gibson or Dougie. Stars win in this league and a team built around Rose, Noah and Love has a bright future.

The problem with that last part is that we don't know if love would stay here we just assume he woulld, but we all know he has been linked to LA forever. The Bulls just really didn't want to go out for a gguy who could leave them for LA.

I mean I wish they took more risk, but at the same time I understand why they don't sometimes.

Love would give a strong commitment before anyone would trade for him. Do you really think the Cav's would trade Wiggins if they weren't getting a strong commitment. The only reason he wouldn't sign an extension is because of money. He simply gets more next year. I don't view Love as a risk.

Proven_Winner · Post #1712 » by **Proven_Winner** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:50 pm

I'm glad that we moved on and are not just waiting around for the inevitable. Let's focus on getting a guy like AA or just a guy more in our ( making this up) trade range. We are just one good/great scorer at the wing from being very serious contenders. The East is open right now so we have to take advantage of that.

DRoseCantStop · Post #1713 » by **DRoseCantStop** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:51 pm

Proven_Winner wrote:
TheStig wrote:
Proven_Winner wrote:If the FO doesn't want Love that bad then there is no reason to criticize. Apparently they don't think he's worth the asking price especially since he's gone next year and most likely getting the max. Everyone keeps saying we are attached to our players so much, but didn't we let BG go? Didn't we trade Deng and Kirk? Didn't we let Omer go?

Just because we didn't get a borderline superstar who would've cost a ton to get doesn't mean we should be bashing the FO.

But we do this all of the time and its silly. Deng wasn't worth Gasol. And then we dump Deng for future flexibility.

I have no doubt that Kevin Love will have a better career than Gibson or Dougie. Stars win in this league and a team built around Rose, Noah and Love has a bright future.

The problem with that last part is that we don't know if love would stay here we just assume he woulld, but we all know he has been linked to LA forever. The Bulls just really didn't want to go out for a gguy who could leave them for LA.

I mean I wish they took more risk, but at the same time I understand why they don't sometimes.

Why would he go to LA?

Proven_Winner · Post #1714 » by **Proven_Winner** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:52 pm

TheStig wrote:
Proven_Winner wrote:
TheStig wrote:But we do this all of the time and its silly. Deng wasn't worth Gasol. And then we dump Deng for future flexibility.

I have no doubt that Kevin Love will have a better career than Gibson or Dougie. Stars win in this league and a team built around Rose, Noah and Love has a bright future.

The problem with that last part is that we don't know if love would stay here we just assume he woulld, but we all know he has been linked to LA forever. The Bulls just really didn't want to go out for a gguy who could leave them for LA.

I mean I wish they took more risk, but at the same time I understand why they don't sometimes.

Love would give a strong commitment before anyone would trade for him. Do you really think the Cav's would trade Wiggins if they weren't getting a strong commitment. The only reason he wouldn't sign an extension is because of money. He simply gets more next year. I don't view Love as a risk.

Love could have a change of mind and just leave. Also I think the Cavs do anything as long as King James demands it. Cleveland does whatever he wants and if he really wants Love then cleveland will go get his Love.

johnnyvann840 · Post #1715 » by **johnnyvann840** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:53 pm

AAU Teammate wrote:Imagine Bulls RealGM if there was a super-major trade in place but we had to wait 30 days by rule to complete it

It'd be Melo plus Amare combined in thread count

Imagine it? It just happened/it's happening. We might not be involved at all, but we're definitely not the ones getting Love.

Proven_Winner · Post #1716 » by **Proven_Winner** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:54 pm

DRoseCantStop wrote:
Proven_Winner wrote:
TheStig wrote:But we do this all of the time and its silly. Deng wasn't worth Gasol. And then we dump Deng for future flexibility.

I have no doubt that Kevin Love will have a better career than Gibson or Dougie. Stars win in this league and a team built around Rose, Noah and Love has a bright future.

The problem with that last part is that we don't know if love would stay here we just assume he woulld, but we all know he has been linked to LA forever. The Bulls just really didn't want to go out for a gguy who could leave them for LA.

I mean I wish they took more risk, but at the same time I understand why they don't sometimes.

Why would he go to LA?

His home for 1 and it's the Lakers IMO I think he's very open to going back home. Whenever Love was brought up for different teams we and LA were mentioned the most.

johnnyvann840 · Post #1717 » by **johnnyvann840** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:54 pm

DRoseCantStop wrote:Why would he go to LA?

Because it's home for him and he could absolutely maximize his star and earning potential in LA.

Imagine he comes here without a guarantee of an ext. and Rose gets hurt.. Now we gave up Taj, Jimmy or whatever else and lose Love in free agency. We're dead for years.

TheStig · Post #1718 » by **TheStig** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:55 pm

Proven_Winner wrote:
TheStig wrote:
Proven_Winner wrote:
The problem with that last part is that we don't know if love would stay here we just assume he woulld, but we all know he has been linked to LA forever. The Bulls just really didn't want to go out for a gguy who could leave them for LA.

I mean I wish they took more risk, but at the same time I understand why they don't sometimes.

Love would give a strong commitment before anyone would trade for him. Do you really think the Cav's would trade Wiggins if they weren't getting a strong commitment. The only reason he wouldn't sign an extension is because of money. He simply gets more next year. I don't view Love as a risk.

Love could have a change of mind and just leave. Also I think the Cavs do anything as long as King James demands it. Cleveland does whatever he wants and if he really wants Love then cleveland will go get his Love.

He's talked about only wanting to play for a few teams. He's not going to change his mind. Particularly when he finally gets to play in the playoffs.

johnnyvann840 · Post #1719 » by **johnnyvann840** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:57 pm

TheStig wrote:He's talked about only wanting to play for a few teams. He's not going to change his mind. Particularly when he finally gets to play in the playoffs.

Good. Then he should have no problem with signing an ext. What? We're just going to take his word for it? No.

TheStig · Post #1720 » by **TheStig** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 7:02 pm

johnnyvann840 wrote:
TheStig wrote:He's talked about only wanting to play for a few teams. He's not going to change his mind. Particularly when he finally gets to play in the playoffs.

Good. Then he should have no problem with signing an ext. What? We're just going to take his word for it? No.

Why should he take a 5% paycut?