OT: COVID-19 thread #2

[dice]

We could debate these topics all day but I am out of time. I think both of you hopefully get my point here that Biden is a bad candidate.

If you still have any doubt, just youtube Joe Biden, check random videos, and see the youtube comments. Both sides make fun of this guy. The vast majority don't prefer Biden nor do they really respect him. In fact among democratic candidates, I think he is the least respected democratic candidate for president in this modern history.

Now youtube Obama, check random videos, check the comments, see the responses. Completely different. I wasn't pro Obama policies but at least people respected him for who he was.

Even if Biden wins 2020, he is doomed for 2024. He'll be 82 and will go up against someone like Nikki Haley who is well liked all around and respected. He stands no chance.

i don't think anybody would argue that biden isn't a good candidate. and most would probably say he's a bad one

he's been non-committal on running for a 2nd term

as for nikki haley, trump attacked her for requesting that he release his taxes while a candidate. then when he won the nomination she said she'd vote for him but was "not a fan." of course, after elected, trump then made her ambassador to the UN. so i don't think her relationship w/ trump would hurt her

[The Box Office]

Biden is a bad candidate? OMG LOL. And Trump is a saint? Player Up, give it up. You're a "Both Sides" fella? Then you're neutral, right? If I were you, I stay out of politics thread. You're neutral, but putting down Biden to prop up Trump. Why?

Who else is there to vote for who realistically can beat Trump? NO ONE. There is NO ONE ELSE. It's a done deal. Joe Biden is the official challenger.

I'm curious, what is your deal?

[TheStig]

You are by default supporting Trump though. Especially if you're in a swing state.

For Trump to win, progressive voter turn out needs to be depressed. Everyone who voted for him last year will repeat.

There is literally no other movement of demographics other than progressives like you.

If you sit this one out, Trump wins. If you show up like you do for Bernie/Yang/Warren...Biden wins in a landslide.

It's really that simple.

And the Democrats will finally be the party of the Progressives. The power transfer would be smooth. Like a Biden to Beto..for example.

Trump is the one winning this in a landslide, Biden has no chance. Hilary was a terrible option and now Biden is even worse. The guy is lost and is currently hiding in his basement.Blame your Democratic Party for picking the wrong people to run.

Biden recently told a black guy that if he doesn’t vote for him then he’s not black, LOL.Thats just insulting to the whole black community, but it was barely covered by the media. Imagine if Trump said something like that.

That's your emotion talking.

The way electoral college Math is set up, landslides are more likely on the Blue side than on the Red side.

This is where the country is - all factors that can sway these states are given:

1) Beto's Texas ( super close finish against Ted Hellboy)
2) Stacy Abrams (Super close finish against worst governor in America after Ducey and De Santis).

That's how much the switch from Red to Blue has been. Dont ignore the shift in AZ to Blue as well.

None of those states are going to be Biden states. However, that's indicative of how the country is trending.

The flip side is Florida which is decidedly Redder. As is Pennsylvania.

However, Pennsylvania is Biden country. Fun fact: 25 percent of PA is Catholic. And Biden would be the second Cathoic president after JFK. Plus, he is from Delaware...which is right next to PA. The volunteer army is going to be strong there for Joe.

Ohio is the interesting state...with a lot of people being likely to stay with Trump. Let's give that one to Trump.

That leaves Minnesota, Michigan and Wisconsin.

Minnesota and Michigan for Biden
Wisconsin for Trump

That's how it looks like right now. These are the swing states that matter.

And they are way more bluish purple than reddish purple. With the exception of FL.

Last time most polls picked Clinton too. How'd that work out?

I think Trumps going to win by a decent margin unless covid comes back very strong in the early fall and/or the stock market hits reality.

[TheStig]

The thing is, a lot of people don't want a candidate to be exciting. They want someone steady that they can trust. Which is why Biden has been eating into Trump's popularity among older people.

Option A: An older bought politician that has a history of racist issues, sexual allegations, corruption and failed presidential runs with very limited accomplishments.

"older" and "failed presidential runs" are the only truthful parts of that statement. but nobody has ever accused biden of being a racist, only one sexual allegation has been made, and you still have yet to explain what you're referring to when you say he's corrupt

you're correct that he's not a desirable candidate, though

Probably the business with Hunter and isn't there some deal with his brother too. He hasn't caught any real challanges in the primary. Everything playerup said will be playing on a loop everywhere becasue Trump muddies the waters and has a giant war chest. This is the guy who brought all of Bill's Mistresses to a debate and sat them up there.

[musiqsoulchild]

Trump is the one winning this in a landslide, Biden has no chance. Hilary was a terrible option and now Biden is even worse. The guy is lost and is currently hiding in his basement.Blame your Democratic Party for picking the wrong people to run.

Biden recently told a black guy that if he doesn’t vote for him then he’s not black, LOL.Thats just insulting to the whole black community, but it was barely covered by the media. Imagine if Trump said something like that.

That's your emotion talking.

The way electoral college Math is set up, landslides are more likely on the Blue side than on the Red side.

This is where the country is - all factors that can sway these states are given:

1) Beto's Texas ( super close finish against Ted Hellboy)
2) Stacy Abrams (Super close finish against worst governor in America after Ducey and De Santis).

That's how much the switch from Red to Blue has been. Dont ignore the shift in AZ to Blue as well.

None of those states are going to be Biden states. However, that's indicative of how the country is trending.

The flip side is Florida which is decidedly Redder. As is Pennsylvania.

However, Pennsylvania is Biden country. Fun fact: 25 percent of PA is Catholic. And Biden would be the second Cathoic president after JFK. Plus, he is from Delaware...which is right next to PA. The volunteer army is going to be strong there for Joe.

Ohio is the interesting state...with a lot of people being likely to stay with Trump. Let's give that one to Trump.

That leaves Minnesota, Michigan and Wisconsin.

Minnesota and Michigan for Biden
Wisconsin for Trump

That's how it looks like right now. These are the swing states that matter.

And they are way more bluish purple than reddish purple. With the exception of FL.

Last time most polls picked Clinton too. How'd that work out?

I think Trumps going to win by a decent margin unless covid comes back very strong in the early fall and/or the stock market hits reality.

The country is Bluer than ever before.

Landslides are occurring on the Blue side ever since Bill Clinton.

George Bush snuck in both times.

Obama had a landslide and a large win. Trump had a large win.

I couldn't have been clearer about my point. That the electoral college Math favors landslides on the Blue side and slight victories on the Red side.

[TheStig]

That's your emotion talking.

The way electoral college Math is set up, landslides are more likely on the Blue side than on the Red side.

This is where the country is - all factors that can sway these states are given:

1) Beto's Texas ( super close finish against Ted Hellboy)
2) Stacy Abrams (Super close finish against worst governor in America after Ducey and De Santis).

That's how much the switch from Red to Blue has been. Dont ignore the shift in AZ to Blue as well.

None of those states are going to be Biden states. However, that's indicative of how the country is trending.

The flip side is Florida which is decidedly Redder. As is Pennsylvania.

However, Pennsylvania is Biden country. Fun fact: 25 percent of PA is Catholic. And Biden would be the second Cathoic president after JFK. Plus, he is from Delaware...which is right next to PA. The volunteer army is going to be strong there for Joe.

Ohio is the interesting state...with a lot of people being likely to stay with Trump. Let's give that one to Trump.

That leaves Minnesota, Michigan and Wisconsin.

Minnesota and Michigan for Biden
Wisconsin for Trump

That's how it looks like right now. These are the swing states that matter.

And they are way more bluish purple than reddish purple. With the exception of FL.

Last time most polls picked Clinton too. How'd that work out?

I think Trumps going to win by a decent margin unless covid comes back very strong in the early fall and/or the stock market hits reality.

The country is Bluer than ever before.

Landslides are occurring on the Blue side ever since Bill Clinton.

George Bush snuck in both times.

Obama had a landslide and a large win. Trump had a large win.

I couldn't have been clearer about my point. That the electoral college Math favors landslides on the Blue side and slight victories on the Red side.

I never said it'd be a landslide. But I don't think it's going to be too close either.

[PlayerUp]

That's your emotion talking.

The way electoral college Math is set up, landslides are more likely on the Blue side than on the Red side.

This is where the country is - all factors that can sway these states are given:

1) Beto's Texas ( super close finish against Ted Hellboy)
2) Stacy Abrams (Super close finish against worst governor in America after Ducey and De Santis).

That's how much the switch from Red to Blue has been. Dont ignore the shift in AZ to Blue as well.

None of those states are going to be Biden states. However, that's indicative of how the country is trending.

The flip side is Florida which is decidedly Redder. As is Pennsylvania.

However, Pennsylvania is Biden country. Fun fact: 25 percent of PA is Catholic. And Biden would be the second Cathoic president after JFK. Plus, he is from Delaware...which is right next to PA. The volunteer army is going to be strong there for Joe.

Ohio is the interesting state...with a lot of people being likely to stay with Trump. Let's give that one to Trump.

That leaves Minnesota, Michigan and Wisconsin.

Minnesota and Michigan for Biden
Wisconsin for Trump

That's how it looks like right now. These are the swing states that matter.

And they are way more bluish purple than reddish purple. With the exception of FL.

Last time most polls picked Clinton too. How'd that work out?

I think Trumps going to win by a decent margin unless covid comes back very strong in the early fall and/or the stock market hits reality.

The country is Bluer than ever before.

Landslides are occurring on the Blue side ever since Bill Clinton.

George Bush snuck in both times.

Obama had a landslide and a large win. Trump had a large win.

I couldn't have been clearer about my point. That the electoral college Math favors landslides on the Blue side and slight victories on the Red side.

There is a difference here though. I thought Obama was the best candidate the democrats had in decades. He was very unique and well liked. Clinton situation was a bit different. Ross Perot was in the mix and took alot of the vote away. Remove Perot and Clinton may have lost in 1992. Bob Dole was a terrible option for the republicans in 1996. A guy like that cannot win in a general election.

If you're thinking blue will become a dominant party of the future, conservatives will eventually adjust to it and get a more leftist president supporting their policies. It's all about adapting and eventually some of these left policies will be implemented and be done with such as climate change policies and the discussion will be over with and both parties will be in agreement.

[dice]

The thing is, a lot of people don't want a candidate to be exciting. They want someone steady that they can trust. Which is why Biden has been eating into Trump's popularity among older people.

Option A: An older bought politician that has a history of racist issues, sexual allegations, corruption and failed presidential runs with very limited accomplishments.

Option B: A young ambitious politician that has no history of issues and has a great plan moving forward.

Option B was essentially Obama in 2008 which is why he won by a huge margin over a well respected McCain. Option A is Biden. Who you taking? Obviously the majority will go with Option B.

I honestly didnt think it was possible to put up a candidate worse than Hillary, yet the dem's pulled it off quite spectacularly and somehow talked the other candidates into walking away.

the voters made these decisions, not the party. nobody ended their campaign who was still a viable candidate. and bernie again stuck around well past his expiration date

as for hillary, she has gotten more votes than her opponent in every election she has ever run in. including against obama in the 2008 primaries

[PlayerUp]

Option A: An older bought politician that has a history of racist issues, sexual allegations, corruption and failed presidential runs with very limited accomplishments.

"older" and "failed presidential runs" are the only truthful parts of that statement. but nobody has ever accused biden of being a racist, only one sexual allegation has been made, and you still have yet to explain what you're referring to when you say he's corrupt

you're correct that he's not a desirable candidate, though

Probably the business with Hunter and isn't there some deal with his brother too. He hasn't caught any real challanges in the primary. Everything playerup said will be playing on a loop everywhere becasue Trump muddies the waters and has a giant war chest. This is the guy who brought all of Bill's Mistresses to a debate and sat them up there.

Privately the senate is working on getting dirt against Biden right now. It's not being talked about but eventually closer to the election they'll go all out on Biden. Simply put Biden has an uphill battle to go himself and who knows how this is going to pan out.

This is the most unpredictable election possibly in our lifetime. From the senate, to house to the white house, we really don't truly know the outcome of what's going to happen. 2020 has been one of the darkest years ever and I personally think it's going to get worse as we start getting closer to election time. I don't think experts or polls should even be looked at and I'm giving 50-50 odds to both parties right now.

[TheStig]

"older" and "failed presidential runs" are the only truthful parts of that statement. but nobody has ever accused biden of being a racist, only one sexual allegation has been made, and you still have yet to explain what you're referring to when you say he's corrupt

you're correct that he's not a desirable candidate, though

Probably the business with Hunter and isn't there some deal with his brother too. He hasn't caught any real challanges in the primary. Everything playerup said will be playing on a loop everywhere becasue Trump muddies the waters and has a giant war chest. This is the guy who brought all of Bill's Mistresses to a debate and sat them up there.

Privately the senate is working on getting dirt against Biden right now. It's not being talked about but eventually closer to the election they'll go all out on Biden. Simply put Biden has an uphill battle to go himself and who knows how this is going to pan out.

This is the most unpredictable election possibly in our lifetime. From the senate, to house to the white house, we really don't truly know the outcome of what's going to happen. 2020 has been one of the darkest years ever and I personally think it's going to get worse as we start getting closer to election time. I don't think experts or polls should even be looked at and I'm giving 50-50 odds to both parties right now.

I agree, except I think the incumbent has an advantage. Clinton, Bush and Obama all got 2 terms.

[dice]

"older" and "failed presidential runs" are the only truthful parts of that statement. but nobody has ever accused biden of being a racist, only one sexual allegation has been made, and you still have yet to explain what you're referring to when you say he's corrupt

you're correct that he's not a desirable candidate, though

Probably the business with Hunter and isn't there some deal with his brother too. He hasn't caught any real challanges in the primary. Everything playerup said will be playing on a loop everywhere becasue Trump muddies the waters and has a giant war chest. This is the guy who brought all of Bill's Mistresses to a debate and sat them up there.

Privately the senate is working on getting dirt against Biden right now.

the senate is not permitted to do that unless there is an official investigation, which there isn't. and again, joe biden has been extensively vetted many, many times. if there was any real "dirt" on him, it surely would have come to light during his time as a vice-presidential candidate or while in office. i can't think of a time when a president or vice-president had anything scandalous surface about something they did BEFORE gaining office

[PlayerUp]

as for nikki haley, trump attacked her for requesting that he release his taxes while a candidate. then when he won the nomination she said she'd vote for him but was "not a fan." of course, after elected, trump then made her ambassador to the UN. so i don't think her relationship w/ trump would hurt her

I don't think Nikki Haley deep down is a Trump supporter. She didn't support him when he was running in 2016 and demanded he release his tax returns. There were discussions about Trump replacing Pence with her for the VP spot in 2020 but I don't think she would consider that and get a potentially bad rep which is the right move. However politics is and should be all about adjustments. Sometimes you have to agree and give into things you don't necessarily support.

[PlayerUp]

I agree, except I think the incumbent has an advantage. Clinton, Bush and Obama all got 2 terms.

and Bush senior lost because well you can debate if Perot was the reason or not. Perot who died last year was a republican who gave it his best effort to transform our political system into a 3 party system.

[PlayerUp]

the senate is not permitted to do that unless there is an official investigation, which there isn't.

They're working on stuff

Watch on YouTube

[PlayerUp]

Would you rather 100% support a candidate who has an agenda that covers 70% of what you ean to see?

I haven't made a decision yet. I live in one of the big swing states and I voted Gary Johnson in 2016 but I won't be doing that again. There are more "Green' and "Libertian" supporters than ever before but in a general election as of now they stand no chance. It would be nice to have a 4 party system it would fix alot of issues but it isn't going to happen anytime soon.

Since I don't like either politician, I am going to do the Tim Pool approach / what many moderates are likely to do and that is wait and see what happens on the debate stage and go with the one who has the best 4 year plan with policies. If Joe goes far left and/or starts flip flopping, I'm out. I'll have to vote Trump and just put up with 4 years of nothing getting done with the house blocking him which is better than radical policies potentially being implemented. If Joe presents decent policies that I can see passed by congress, Ill go with Joe. I'm not going to just give in and vote Joe to get rid of Trump. That's ridiculous. He should earn our vote.

[dice]

Probably the business with Hunter and isn't there some deal with his brother too. He hasn't caught any real challanges in the primary. Everything playerup said will be playing on a loop everywhere becasue Trump muddies the waters and has a giant war chest. This is the guy who brought all of Bill's Mistresses to a debate and sat them up there.

Privately the senate is working on getting dirt against Biden right now. It's not being talked about but eventually closer to the election they'll go all out on Biden. Simply put Biden has an uphill battle to go himself and who knows how this is going to pan out.

This is the most unpredictable election possibly in our lifetime. From the senate, to house to the white house, we really don't truly know the outcome of what's going to happen. 2020 has been one of the darkest years ever and I personally think it's going to get worse as we start getting closer to election time. I don't think experts or polls should even be looked at and I'm giving 50-50 odds to both parties right now.

I agree, except I think the incumbent has an advantage. Clinton, Bush and Obama all got 2 terms.

all were popular presidents when re-elected

approval ratings heading into re-election bid:

ike +60
johnson +53
truman +35
roosevelt +34 (third re-election)
nixon +34
reagan +30
clinton +18
ford +15 (lost re-election, but not seen as rightful office holder to begin with)
dubya +9
obama +6

bush sr. -10
carter -20

popular presidents get a second term almost by definition. unpopular presidents usually don't. donald trump has NEVER hit 50% job approval and he is currently about 14 points underwater. he was even worse off heading into the last election, but clinton was almost as bad. biden is barely underwater over the last several weeks

[dice]

the senate is not permitted to do that unless there is an official investigation, which there isn't.

They're working on stuff

Watch on YouTube

if you've got a video, it ain't being done in secret

and you know what that investigation is gonna turn up? nada. just like the benghazi investigation. entirely politically motivated

[dice]

I agree, except I think the incumbent has an advantage. Clinton, Bush and Obama all got 2 terms.

and Bush senior lost because well you can debate if Perot was the reason or not. Perot who died last year was a republican who gave it his best effort to transform our political system into a 3 party system.

1) perot did not have a political party
2) exit polling suggested that he took votes away from each of the other candidates nearly equally

[PlayerUp]

obama +6

bush sr. -10
carter -20

Not sure where you're getting this +6 on Obama. The final weeks leading up to the election Romney vs Obama was nearly dead even and Obama ended up winning the 2012 election by a significant margin.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

Romney was a boring candidate who couldn't connect to most of the country which is why I voted Obama in 2012.

[PlayerUp]

perot did not have a political party

Sure he did. He only officially announced he was a supporter of the republican party in 2000. He was always leaning republican.