2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th!

[MrFortune3]

We're now 85 pages in on this thread and nobody is on the same page on who we should draft.

Why trading down to make a couple moves to land 2 picks instead of 1 makes alot of sense. Target higher risk, higher gem prospects and hope we strike gold with one of our picks.

Bulls fans haven't been on the same page with who to draft since Derrick Rose and even then some wanted Beasley over him.

[PlayerUp]

I like Jaden McDaniels more than Deni Avdija. I have more confidence in McDaniels' ability to consistently create offense for himself.

Jaden McDaniels is another one of those high ceiling prospects in this draft that could be a gem. That said, an once projected Top 10 pick underperformed at Washington and now is projected to go later in the 1st Round.

His game is rather raw imo. He has some nice tools but he needs alot of work. This is the type of prospect that will be limited in the NBA for the first couple of seasons and then could start making an impact around 22-24 years old. His shot form is awkward, he is weak, he isn't a playmaker, he isn't efficient or consistent, he needs to continue working on his ball handling and there is nothing really unique about his game to excel him in the NBA at the moment. He clearly is coming out too early and needs alot of development. With that said, his offensive/defensive potential is there and I would have no problem taking a risk on him if we are able to acquire a late 1st Round Pick.

[Benedict Miller]

Ball is who we need.

[Jcool0]

Ball is who we need.

Unless you want to win.

[Pax for Prez]

We're now 85 pages in on this thread and nobody is on the same page on who we should draft.

Why trading down to make a couple moves to land 2 picks instead of 1 makes alot of sense. Target higher risk, higher gem prospects and hope we strike gold with one of our picks.

Would love to trade down, but to do that there needs to be a team that wants to trade up ?

In this draft unless Ball or Wiseman is there, I don't see a player that a team will want trade up for. With rumors of everyone's draft boards being alot more different than past years. It makes the possibility less likely.

Pax

[TheSuzerain]

What seperates deni the prospect from saric the prospect?
Reading his profile it looks eerily similar to deni. Replace saric with deni and tell me it doesn't fit?

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/dario-saric/

Not much.

The hope is that Deni is more fleet footed. On the other hand, Saric's shooting profile was better.

I'd say they are comparable B-Level prospects.

[Jvaughn]

We're now 85 pages in on this thread and nobody is on the same page on who we should draft.

Why trading down to make a couple moves to land 2 picks instead of 1 makes alot of sense. Target higher risk, higher gem prospects and hope we strike gold with one of our picks.

But as mentioned before, there are no teams in the 1st to target that has two draft picks, unless you're suggesting we trade the #4 pick for a mid first and an end of first pick, which would be ludicrous to me.

[PlayerUp]

But as mentioned before, there are no teams in the 1st to target that has two draft picks, unless you're suggesting we trade the #4 pick for a mid first and an end of first pick, which would be ludicrous to me.

It would require 2 trades with 2 different teams or a 3 way trade.

[Jvaughn]

But as mentioned before, there are no teams in the 1st to target that has two draft picks, unless you're suggesting we trade the #4 pick for a mid first and an end of first pick, which would be ludicrous to me.

It would require 2 trades with 2 different teams or a 3 way trade.

That would really require a lot of moving parts, and there would have to be two teams that want to move assets to move up in a draft that most acknowledge is one of the weakest in a decade. I definitely don't see it. Now if you want to trade a player or players (Hutch, Wendell, etc.) to grab another mid first that may be more conceivable.

[PlayerUp]

That would really require a lot of moving parts, and there would have to be two teams that want to move assets to move up in a draft that most acknowledge is one of the weakest in a decade. I definitely don't see it. Now if you want to trade a player or players (Hutch, Wendell, etc.) to grab another mid first that may be more conceivable.

It's possible. Asset + Lower Pick for #4 and then Asset for Pick Between #10-#19. Hutch has no value. Wendell could easily fetch a pick in this draft.

[LateNight]

if you want to trade a player or players (Hutch, Wendell, etc.) to grab another mid first that may be more conceivable.

It's possible. Asset + Lower Pick for #4 and then Asset for Pick Between #10-#19. Hutch has no value. Wendell could easily fetch a pick in this draft.

If you're going to trade one of our bigs, I personally think it makes more sense to move Lauri (given his contract).

Of course, I understand the hesitance if you still think Lauri is going to be a superstar. But, personally, I have no interest in moving on from Wendell yet. I think he'll probably do much better under a different coach (which may be true about Markkanen too).

Plus, both players have more value than a mid-to-late first round pick in this draft. I'd need at least pick + another asset for either player.

[kodo]

What seperates deni the prospect from saric the prospect?
Reading his profile it looks eerily similar to deni. Replace saric with deni and tell me it doesn't fit?

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/dario-saric/

I initially felt the same way, but as everyone said Deni has much more foot speed. Saric isn't even average as a PF, I'd say he's a low tier.

The way they attack & finish after a catch at the 3 is fairly different.

https://youtu.be/L3VoG-rYYdw?t=38

https://youtu.be/xjihWYQQD68?t=60

[Fastbrk4brkfast]

We're now 85 pages in on this thread and nobody is on the same page on who we should draft.

Why trading down to make a couple moves to land 2 picks instead of 1 makes alot of sense. Target higher risk, higher gem prospects and hope we strike gold with one of our picks.

Bulls fans haven't been on the same page with who to draft since Derrick Rose and even then some wanted Beasley over him.

Truth. Even so, it's still a particularly tough year to reach a draft consensus. We have much less data on the players than usual and we also don't have a read on the direction of the new FO. We don't even have a coach right now. All that makes evaluation really tough.

We can't even really agree on what the Bulls biggest need is other than talent. And then there's disagreement about what "talent" means and which players have it. We're in a situation where we can improve at virtually every position so it's largely a matter of philosophy. Some of us think the team needs playmaking the most, some people say shooting. Personally I say scoring and rebounding are the biggest needs. I mean c'mon guys we were 29th in rebounding and 27th in scoring - in what universe is playmaking our biggest gap right now? I punch in talent, scoring and rebounding as the criteria and Okongwu is the clearest choice. HIs world-altering defense is honestly just a bonus.

I get the folks who don't want a big because yes, the league is driven by guards and wings. But our guard rotation is actually not terrible and our wing situation can be addressed through consolidation trade. Going with a PF makes our path to the playoffs more secure and Okongwu in particular gives us a foundational piece for future success.

[VolumePoster]

What seperates deni the prospect from saric the prospect?
Reading his profile it looks eerily similar to deni. Replace saric with deni and tell me it doesn't fit?

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/dario-saric/

That’s more an indictment of a bad profile than Deni. Very different players. Deni has much better perimeter skills, speed, handle. They don’t play similar games.

[VolumePoster]

What seperates deni the prospect from saric the prospect?
Reading his profile it looks eerily similar to deni. Replace saric with deni and tell me it doesn't fit?

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/dario-saric/

I initially felt the same way, but as everyone said Deni has much more foot speed. Saric isn't even average as a PF, I'd say he's a low tier.

The way they attack & finish after a catch at the 3 is fairly different.

https://youtu.be/L3VoG-rYYdw?t=38

https://youtu.be/xjihWYQQD68?t=60

They’re totally different athletes. The only thing they have partially in common is Eastern European heritage.

[sco]

if you want to trade a player or players (Hutch, Wendell, etc.) to grab another mid first that may be more conceivable.

It's possible. Asset + Lower Pick for #4 and then Asset for Pick Between #10-#19. Hutch has no value. Wendell could easily fetch a pick in this draft.

If you're going to trade one of our bigs, I personally think it makes more sense to move Lauri (given his contract).

Of course, I understand the hesitance if you still think Lauri is going to be a superstar. But, personally, I have no interest in moving on from Wendell yet. I think he'll probably do much better under a different coach (which may be true about Markkanen too).

Plus, both players have more value than a mid-to-late first round pick in this draft. I'd need at least pick + another asset for either player.

I am more willing to trade Lauri than WCj mainly on the premise that there are a few interesting FA PF's who have as much talent as Lauri if we could nab one of Giles or Saric and trade Lauri for a pick, I'd do it.

[GimmeDat]

Early in the draft season I thought of Saric -> Deni.

Obviously the main difference is athleticism. Both are good passers, similar size and position wise, can shoot the rock. For the difference athletically, it's worth considering that Saric had a much more advanced in-between/post-game imo as well. So all added up they are very distinct players from each other, but there are some similarities.

[MrFortune3]

I like Jaden McDaniels more than Deni Avdija. I have more confidence in McDaniels' ability to consistently create offense for himself.

Jaden McDaniels is another one of those high ceiling prospects in this draft that could be a gem. That said, an once projected Top 10 pick underperformed at Washington and now is projected to go later in the 1st Round.

His game is rather raw imo. He has some nice tools but he needs alot of work. This is the type of prospect that will be limited in the NBA for the first couple of seasons and then could start making an impact around 22-24 years old. His shot form is awkward, he is weak, he isn't a playmaker, he isn't efficient or consistent, he needs to continue working on his ball handling and there is nothing really unique about his game to excel him in the NBA at the moment. He clearly is coming out too early and needs alot of development. With that said, his offensive/defensive potential is there and I would have no problem taking a risk on him if we are able to acquire a late 1st Round Pick.

If we can get another 1st round pick and take a guy like McDaniels on the back end, that would be great.

[MrFortune3]

We're now 85 pages in on this thread and nobody is on the same page on who we should draft.

Why trading down to make a couple moves to land 2 picks instead of 1 makes alot of sense. Target higher risk, higher gem prospects and hope we strike gold with one of our picks.

Bulls fans haven't been on the same page with who to draft since Derrick Rose and even then some wanted Beasley over him.

Truth. Even so, it's still a particularly tough year to reach a draft consensus. We have much less data on the players than usual and we also don't have a read on the direction of the new FO. We don't even have a coach right now. All that makes evaluation really tough.

We can't even really agree on what the Bulls biggest need is other than talent. And then there's disagreement about what "talent" means and which players have it. We're in a situation where we can improve at virtually every position so it's largely a matter of philosophy. Some of us think the team needs playmaking the most, some people say shooting. Personally I say scoring and rebounding are the biggest needs. I mean c'mon guys we were 29th in rebounding and 27th in scoring - in what universe is playmaking our biggest gap right now? I punch in talent, scoring and rebounding as the criteria and Okongwu is the clearest choice. HIs world-altering defense is honestly just a bonus.

I get the folks who don't want a big because yes, the league is driven by guards and wings. But our guard rotation is actually not terrible and our wing situation can be addressed through consolidation trade. Going with a PF makes our path to the playoffs more secure and Okongwu in particular gives us a foundational piece for future success.

Usually this late in the game we've seen guys fly up boards from work outs, heard the buzz of people moving up, sliding down and etc.
Now it's simply your opinion and having to second guess yourself.

[DuckIII]

Deni reminds me of the Saric in the same way he reminds me of Luka. By which I mean he reminds me of neither.