NBA Trade Thread #2

DanChee33 · Post #1701 » by **DanChee33** » Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:37 am

Kukoc-Lauri wrote:He is keeper for Sacramento.

Yes, i think you're right but who knows. They tried to get him and he puts up numbers nowadays. They wont get the prime players of the league. Lavine-Fox-Hield is some guard rotation.

Kukoc-Lauri wrote:Realisticlly maybe WCJ and Young for G.Hill, Porter for Powell and Brunson, T.Young for P.Mills, Carter and Valentine for D.Graham, Lavine and Porter for Bledsoe,Hayes and Lakers first from Nola, Porter expiring and Markkanen for J.Wall, Porter and C.White for Westbrook, Lavine and Carter for K.Irving, T.Young and Hutchinson for R.Rubio.

Not interested srry

thxfrthmmrs · Post #1702 » by **thxfrthmmrs** » Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:16 pm

If we can’t this thing around by TDL, we absolutely need to move Zach, his value will never be higher.

Lavine to Warriors for Oubre, 2021 Minny pick, and one or two more future firsts. Who says no?

You can move others like Carter, Lauri and Porter for other assets. Build around PWill and move White to SG, you end up with 2 pretty high picks in a loaded draft, and set yourself up to make a splash in 2022 or 23 free agency.

2weekswithpay · Post #1703 » by **2weekswithpay** » Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:27 pm

HomoSapien wrote:Two trades I'd look at:

Bulls Trade: Otto Porter
Cavs Trade: Andre Drummond

Cavs have too much size, and very little help at the three. Porter is the type of spacer that makes life easier for Sexton. Most believe that Drummond's value is low.

Bulls Trade: Wendell Carter, Thad Young, Felicio
Raptors Trade: Kyle Lowry

The Raptors are currently tied for the second-worst record in the league. Lowry's 34 and about to be a free-agent. He's a Toronto legend, but a season with no fans seems like the perfect time to start the rebuild and Carter gives them a former lotto pick on a rookie contract to evaluate.

Bulls New Lineup:

C. Drummond/Gafford/Kornet
PF.Markkanen/Hutchison
SF.Williams/Valentine
SG.LaVine/Temple/Satoranksy
PG.Lowry/White/Arcidiacano

These trades have their risk. Lowry's old. Drummond has his red flags. Both are going to be free-agents. That said, this lineup is much more dynamic and interesting and in a world where the Heat can make the finals, this team could be dangerous in the playoffs. The biggest hole is the backup 4 spot, but I think Satoranksy could be moved for some depth.

How much do you think Drummond is worth on the market? I'm probably higher on Drummond than most but I wouldn't want us to have to pay him a max contract which would be around 34M per season. I probably wouldn't go above 20M per season for Drummond. We still have to make a decision about Lauri's future with us and Zach's as well so I'd rather keep Wendell if it means we keep cap flexibility even if Drummond makes us better now.

As for Lowry, I don't see Toronto trading him or embracing the tank. They haven't played good but I don't think they're second worst in the league bad. Siakam is playing better as of late and they've lost a few winnable games.

StunnerKO · Post #1704 » by **StunnerKO** » Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:34 pm

Time for the Otto for Lowry swap

Andi Obst · Post #1705 » by **Andi Obst** » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:19 pm

StunnerKO wrote:Time for the Otto for Lowry swap

Why would the Raptors even consider that?

StunnerKO · Post #1706 » by **StunnerKO** » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:25 pm

Little Nathan wrote:
StunnerKO wrote:Time for the Otto for Lowry swap

Why would the Raptors even consider that?

Have you seen the raptors lately? And not exactly this deal but something could be worked out . Van Fleet is the future for that time both Otto and Lowry are going to be free agents

Andi Obst · Post #1707 » by **Andi Obst** » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:46 pm

StunnerKO wrote:Have you seen the raptors lately? And not exactly this deal but something could be worked out . Van Fleet is the future for that time both Otto and Lowry are going to be free agents

I don't think the Raptors have given up on their season yet. Way too early for that. They have always been perfectly fine with running Lowry and VanVleet together, so that's not really an argument either. Lowry is still very good too, OPJ isn't + there's 0 upside in acquiring him for the Raptors.

If they were to move Lowry, I'd expect it to be a move to a contender he would agree to. He'd be such a great fit on the Sixers, for example (and he's from Philly).

sco · Post #1708 » by **sco** » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:47 pm

Kukoc-Lauri wrote:He is keeper for Sacramento. Realisticlly maybe WCJ and Young for G.Hill, Porter for Powell and Brunson, T.Young for P.Mills, Carter and Valentine for D.Graham, Lavine and Porter for Bledsoe,Hayes and Lakers first from Nola, Porter expiring and Markkanen for J.Wall, Porter and C.White for Westbrook, Lavine and Carter for K.Irving, T.Young and Hutchinson for R.Rubio.

I LOVE the idea of trading for Rubio or Brunson...but guys are underrated in terms of what they can do for this team.

I think Wall could be had at a good price because HOU might be in super tank mode because their pick this season is only top 3 protected (IIRC). Maybe we could get one of their recently acquired picks to take on Wall and his monster contract.

JMAC3 · Post #1709 » by **JMAC3** » Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:44 pm

Zeller and second to Bulls for Satoransky and Wendell Carter Jr.

Bulls save 10 million next summer by getting expiring for Satoransky and they avoid having to pay WCJ if they do not think he is the answer. They can use Zeller at center rest of the year and use that money+ Porter expiring this summer to sign a big name guy to go with core of White, Lavine, Williams and Markannen.

Hornets obviously get young Center and Satoransky isn't great, but his size at 6-7 matches up with our smaller guards in Graham, Rozier and Monk. Again this one kind of tanks our salary cap this summer but we get WCJ for that.

Zeller per 36 last year: 17/11/2.5 on 52.5% shooting.

Thoughts?

StunnerKO · Post #1710 » by **StunnerKO** » Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:45 pm

Man no

Rose2Boozer · Post #1711 » by **Rose2Boozer** » Sat Jan 16, 2021 7:37 pm

JMAC3 wrote:Zeller and second to Bulls for Satoransky and Wendell Carter Jr.

Bulls save 10 million next summer by getting expiring for Satoransky and they avoid having to pay WCJ if they do not think he is the answer. They can use Zeller at center rest of the year and use that money+ Porter expiring this summer to sign a big name guy to go with core of White, Lavine, Williams and Markannen.

Hornets obviously get young Center and Satoransky isn't great, but his size at 6-7 matches up with our smaller guards in Graham, Rozier and Monk. Again this one kind of tanks our salary cap this summer but we get WCJ for that.

Zeller per 36 last year: 17/11/2.5 on 52.5% shooting.

Thoughts?

The Raptors and the Hornets are probably the best landing spots for Carter Jr. I would've hoped that the Raptors would be better, so we could squeeze a lottery protected pick for Carter Jr. The deal would be something like: McCaw and Lottery Protected 1st for Carter Jr.

As for your deal, I think the Bulls value Satoransky and Young far more than I thought they would need to at the start of the season. I wouldn't be interested in trading neither veteran. So, I'd counter offer, same deal but replace Satoransky with Felicio.

Nate3carp · Post #1712 » by **Nate3carp** » Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:34 pm

thxfrthmmrs wrote:If we can’t this thing around by TDL, we absolutely need to move Zach, his value will never be higher.

Lavine to Warriors for Oubre, 2021 Minny pick, and one or two more future firsts. Who says no?

You can move others like Carter, Lauri and Porter for other assets. Build around PWill and move White to SG, you end up with 2 pretty high picks in a loaded draft, and set yourself up to make a splash in 2022 or 23 free agency.

I think the warriors are the team we need hope wants Lavine. I think it’s the only realistic chance of getting a 2021 lottery pick for Zach. And still not sure GS would do it.

Kazuya10 · Post #1713 » by **Kazuya10** » Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:33 pm

Ring the Timberwolves, let's dust off Rubio. Yeah he can't shoot but we have shooters on the team, we need a solid point which he still is that won't turn the ball over.

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Kazuya10 · Post #1714 » by **Kazuya10** » Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:37 pm

Kazuya10 wrote:Ring the Timberwolves, let's dust off Rubio. Yeah he can't shoot but we have shooters on the team, we need a solid point which he still is that won't turn the ball over.

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Edit, how can you properly evaluate Coby when hes playing the point, both laving and Coby are secondary ball handlers prone to TOs.
And how can you properly evaluate WCJ and Lauri when they are not getting decent ball in there favourite spots.

I believe we are a competent ball handler away from around .500 ball. Then make a trade in the off-season for an all-star to pair with Lavine and Williams.

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Kukoc-Lauri · Post #1715 » by **Kukoc-Lauri** » Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:50 pm

That is on point. Miles Bridges looking like different player with Ball. Martin,Amare looked different with Kidd,Nash. Lavine or Lauri would looked amazing with Luka or Lebron. Put prime Deandre Jordan with White as pg instead of CP3, Deandre is out of the Nba.

thxfrthmmrs · Post #1716 » by **thxfrthmmrs** » Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:20 pm

Nate3carp wrote:
thxfrthmmrs wrote:If we can’t this thing around by TDL, we absolutely need to move Zach, his value will never be higher.

Lavine to Warriors for Oubre, 2021 Minny pick, and one or two more future firsts. Who says no?

You can move others like Carter, Lauri and Porter for other assets. Build around PWill and move White to SG, you end up with 2 pretty high picks in a loaded draft, and set yourself up to make a splash in 2022 or 23 free agency.

I think the warriors are the team we need hope wants Lavine. I think it’s the only realistic chance of getting a 2021 lottery pick for Zach. And still not sure GS would do it.

I mean they’re paying a ridiculous amount of luxury tax to not go for it. I don’t think there are many top 10 scorers available at Lavine’s cost and salary. I would imagine Dubs would be intrigued to see how Lavine could complement Curry and with a facilitator like Draymond.

Kukoc-Lauri · Post #1717 » by **Kukoc-Lauri** » Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:27 pm

Lavine, Porter, Young for Wiggins, Looney, Smajlagic and Minesotta first round pick 2021, top three protected.

ThreeMileAllan · Post #1718 » by **ThreeMileAllan** » Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:33 pm

God I would love DRose on this team

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imagge · Post #1719 » by **imagge** » Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:40 pm

You only trade Zach for a legit all star but would really like to pair Zach with one so Brad Beal and Thomas Bryant for Coby Otto and Lauri plus 2022 FRP

Nate3carp · Post #1720 » by **Nate3carp** » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:58 am

thxfrthmmrs wrote:
Nate3carp wrote:
thxfrthmmrs wrote:If we can’t this thing around by TDL, we absolutely need to move Zach, his value will never be higher.

Lavine to Warriors for Oubre, 2021 Minny pick, and one or two more future firsts. Who says no?

You can move others like Carter, Lauri and Porter for other assets. Build around PWill and move White to SG, you end up with 2 pretty high picks in a loaded draft, and set yourself up to make a splash in 2022 or 23 free agency.

I think the warriors are the team we need hope wants Lavine. I think it’s the only realistic chance of getting a 2021 lottery pick for Zach. And still not sure GS would do it.

I mean they’re paying a ridiculous amount of luxury tax to not go for it. I don’t think there are many top 10 scorers available at Lavine’s cost and salary. I would imagine Dubs would be intrigued to see how Lavine could complement Curry and with a facilitator like Draymond.

I hadn’t considered the luxury tax component, and it’s so true. No one pays that much “extra” to not have a chance. Lavine could still fit well when Thompson is back too. I think there’s a chance something could be worked out, although I’m still a big Lavine supporter so not upset if he stays.