Bears 8.0: Matt Eberflus FIRED

[fleet]

You won't ever know if that was the case. His personnel moves overall have been a plus. His management of the cap has been a plus. His trades have been a plus.

His flaws have been the offensive line. If he keeps Everflus this off-season, yes it's a problem. He doesn't deserve to get fired without being able to pick his coach.

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His chance to pick his coach was at the same time it was to pick his own QB ...last offseason .If he voluntarily bypassed on that opportunity than he takes ownership of Eberflus still being here and everything that comes with it.

What you are suggesting is that Warren should do the same thing as Poles which was take a half measure. Fire Eberflus and let Poles hire a new coach ?

Why would Warren risk it at this point ? Neither Poles or Eberflus are his guys and he wouldn't be putting himself in a position where his decision making would come into question .

The level of embarrassment the organization has suffered today has to have a response that goes beyond simply firing the coach because the coach has basically been bad the entire time so when a great opportunity to move on presented itself who made the decision to keep him ?

I present Exhibit A in the case of the People vs Ryan Poles

He knew what was at stake and took the risk and now he has to pay the price

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RG3 is your exhibit A?

Know what? I'll talk to you when cooler heads have prevailed.

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^^^ Well here’s what Poles said there: Poles declared that he was “hired to break the cycle”. It seems now, that Poles has been sticking to his stated mission to the detriment of the Bears. Poles is trying to “break the cycle” at any cost. Ryan Poles just tossed an entire season away behind his stubbornness to stick with his guy, afraid to admit failure. How much is blowing an entire season worth as far as an evaluation goes? Chitown is right, Warren cannot have justified trust in Poles’ judgment on coach hiring.


2 other things. Poles also said he was taking the North, and never giving it back, and this season said that it was time to win. Not even close. He’s failed on his three biggest markers in one way or another.

[TheGOATRises007]

Yeah the fact that Poles decided to stick with Flus this season makes me lose hope in him picking a new HC.

This season wasn't make or break in terms of SB contention, but to be 4-8 is embarrassing.

He's got to go as well.

[ThisGuyFawkes]

I'm a little more optimistic than most. I still think Poles has done a great job with this roster. We have a really promising QB with 4 more years of cheap contract. Several young weapons on offense and a really good defense. He's done a very good job of drafting so far. I don't think we can just let him go and take a chance on an upgrade.

With that said, the retaining of Flus has been a disaster. He should be fired tomorrow. Thomas Brown has been solid in his few weeks leading the offensive helm. Caleb seems to like him and is responding with great numbers. I don't see anyone better to take over the interim HC role.

[NesimLE]

I'm a little more optimistic than most. I still think Poles has done a great job with this roster. We have a really promising QB with 4 more years of cheap contract. Several young weapons on offense and a really good defense. He's done a very good job of drafting so far. I don't think we can just let him go and take a chance on an upgrade.

With that said, the retaining of Flus has been a disaster. He should be fired tomorrow. Thomas Brown has been solid in his few weeks leading the offensive helm. Caleb seems to like him and is responding with great numbers. I don't see anyone better to take over the interim HC role.

Cunningham is still here, what’s his role been in building the roster? Might be a viable replacement if we need to get off of Poles this year.

[Jeffster81]

If Im Warren Im getting rid of both Poles and Flus and wiping the slate clean

You can not wipe the slate clean every three years. Flus is most certainly gone but Poles should get two more years.

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Flus was a Poles guy mainly because the organization give him three coaches to choose from. I think given no inferences from the higher ups (coughsgeorgemccaskeycough), I think Poles would not have hired Flus. So I am good if they give Poles one legitimate chance at picking a HC without any outside input. So Poles will stay.

[dougthonus]

If you liked Poles resume prior to the season, then I don't think anything that happened this year would make me fire him on the spot.

If you were neutral on him going into this year and are on the fence, you should definitely fire him so that when you bring in a new GM, you bring in a new coach at the same time. I don't think you want to fire Flus, have Poles pick a new coach, decide you dislike Poles next year and if he misses on the coaching hire (or you aren't sold on the new coach) that you fire him and then the new GM inherits a coach or force Caleb into 3 coaches in 3 years.

[coldfish]

If you liked Poles resume prior to the season, then I don't think anything that happened this year would make me fire him on the spot.

If you were neutral on him going into this year and are on the fence, you should definitely fire him so that when you bring in a new GM, you bring in a new coach at the same time. I don't think you want to fire Flus, have Poles pick a new coach, decide you dislike Poles next year and if he misses on the coaching hire (or you aren't sold on the new coach) that you fire him and then the new GM inherits a coach or force Caleb into 3 coaches in 3 years.

The Bears were in an objectively incredible position to start this year. Lots of capspace, great draft capital, etc. You basically could have fallen off a log and still massively upgraded the team.

For them to be sitting at 4 and 8 is near criminal. Washington was in a similar but worse position and is sitting at 7-5.

I know Bears fans don't want to see a team clean house every few years but when something doesn't work, it doesn't work.

[HoopsterJones]

Fun fact. Caleb Williams already has more passing yards than Justin Fields best season.

[MAQ]

If you liked Poles resume prior to the season, then I don't think anything that happened this year would make me fire him on the spot.

If you were neutral on him going into this year and are on the fence, you should definitely fire him so that when you bring in a new GM, you bring in a new coach at the same time. I don't think you want to fire Flus, have Poles pick a new coach, decide you dislike Poles next year and if he misses on the coaching hire (or you aren't sold on the new coach) that you fire him and then the new GM inherits a coach or force Caleb into 3 coaches in 3 years.

The Bears were in an objectively incredible position to start this year. Lots of capspace, great draft capital, etc. You basically could have fallen off a log and still massively upgraded the team.

For them to be sitting at 4 and 8 is near criminal. Washington was in a similar but worse position and is sitting at 7-5.

I know Bears fans don't want to see a team clean house every few years but when something doesn't work, it doesn't work.

I would ask, do you feel the team hasn't upgraded? I know the saying, you are what your record says you are. What I also know is this is a lot better of a 4-8 team than last years team who had the exact same record at week 13.

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[patryk7754]

Eberflus is 5-19 in one score games. Worst record ever by any coach with 20 such games

[patryk7754]

The coaching rumors are surely going to heat up now that eberflus embarrassed himself on nation tv. I think one name we can cross off the list is Vrabel. Warren seems to be intimidated by dominant personalities.

[coldfish]

If you liked Poles resume prior to the season, then I don't think anything that happened this year would make me fire him on the spot.

If you were neutral on him going into this year and are on the fence, you should definitely fire him so that when you bring in a new GM, you bring in a new coach at the same time. I don't think you want to fire Flus, have Poles pick a new coach, decide you dislike Poles next year and if he misses on the coaching hire (or you aren't sold on the new coach) that you fire him and then the new GM inherits a coach or force Caleb into 3 coaches in 3 years.

The Bears were in an objectively incredible position to start this year. Lots of capspace, great draft capital, etc. You basically could have fallen off a log and still massively upgraded the team.

For them to be sitting at 4 and 8 is near criminal. Washington was in a similar but worse position and is sitting at 7-5.

I know Bears fans don't want to see a team clean house every few years but when something doesn't work, it doesn't work.

I would ask, do you feel the team hasn't upgraded? I know the saying, you are what your record says you are. What I also know is this is a lot better of a 4-8 team than last years team who had the exact same record at week 13.

Just to note: Not a Bears fan.

Talent wise, they are a better team. That said, given the draft situation, capspace, etc., a parrot poking at a keyboard randomly could have upgraded the team. Its not nearly as improved as it should be and on a game by game basis its poorly coached.

The NFL's system is highly biased towards cyclical team performance. If you are good, you lose your good players to free agency, have to pay the others through the nose, get low draft picks and play a 1st place schedule. If you are bad, the reverse is true. A completely mediocre GM's win total would cycle between 11-6 to 6-11 and back to 11-6 on 6 to 8 year waves. You have to be really good to be above that or really bad to be below it. Don't take small upticks as natural parts of the wave as signs of GM skill.

[MAQ]

Can't lie. I woke up today thinking the hottest item this black friday, flus's seat, would have been ejected. I'm highly disappointed I did not wake up to this news.

Someone through a mic in front of Poles/Warren right now. If you're not gonna serve up flus, get your ass in front of the media and explain why.

[Bulls69]

Can't lie. I woke up today thinking the hottest item this black friday, flus's seat, would have been ejected. I'm highly disappointed I did not wake up to this news.

Someone through a mic in front of Poles/Warren right now. If you're not gonna serve up flus, get your ass in front of the media and explain why.

I’m hoping it happens this weekend any other team would have fired Flus weeks ago


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[Dresden]

I think Eberflus needs to go, and probably now is better than the end of the season, as it sounds like he's lost the faith of the players. OTH, despite the terrible clock management at the end of the game, the team came within a whisker of beating the best team in the NFL, on the road, after being down 16-0 and getting completely dominated in every phase. That says something about how hard the team is playing.

And looking back 3 games ago, who would have thought we would have been within a play or two of going 3-0 v. the Packers, Lions, and Vikes?

If we had been blown out in each of these games, it would have been more reason to fire Eberflus. But he had them competitive against 3 of the top 4 teams in the NFC. That has to count for something.

[Dresden]

The one play in yesterday's game I wish we could have a do over on is that short swing pass to DJ on the final drive that Caleb threw into the dirt. DJ had room to run- likely would have gotten inside the 10, if not scored. From there, it's a chip shot to tie the game, and 3 downs to try to win it. I guess Caleb was just a little scattered at that point during the frenzy of that final drive, but that's a throw he should make 99 times out of a 100.

[Fl_Flash]

If they're going to fire Flus - this would be the time to do it. The team has a "long" week after the short week for the Thanksgiving game. I don't think you can expect a whole lot of change these last few games in terms of how the team is going to perform with or without Flus.

I don't think Flus gets let go before the end of the season. The McCaskeys have an antiquated set of standards that they adhere to - one of which is not firing a head coach mid-season. I can respect them for their adherence to their value-set; just not for allowing said value-set to so adversely affect the on-field product.

It's been pointed out that Flus is now something like 5-19 in one score games - the worst record in NFL history. Even if you say it's "bad luck" - that the ball just doesn't bounce Chicago's way as much as it does the other way - I'd say your somewhere around 40/60 for just "bad luck". The difference is where coaching come into play. Edna Mulch from the Incredibles had an appropriate quote: "Luck favors the prepared dah-ling". 5-19 is a lack of preparation. It's a lack of coaching - that attention to detail.

We've seen the offense start to come to life under Brown as the OC. It's gone up against three good teams in GB, Minnesota and Detroit. Had opportunities to win all three games only to piss each one away in some fashion or another. That's poor coaching and I'm not lumping Brown into the poor coaching catagory.

If it were me, I'd let Flus go. Put Brown in as the interim Head Coach and see what he can do to finish out the season. If this man is something of a Tomlin (or even Lovie) clone - you owe it to the team to find out what he can do. Those clamouring that putting Brown in as the HC hurts Williams as he'll have ANOTHER OC; I don't buy that. Brown would still be the OC and call the plays, he'd just also be interim HC. I think he can do the job and do it well.

But, whatever. This is the Bears we're talking about. The McCaskey's are going to sit until the season is over and lose the time that could be had evaluating Brown as a HC and then he's going to walk to another team, get his head coaching gig somewhere else and never look back. Meanwhile the Bears are gonna Bear - hire some weak individual that they can control simply because they seem to be adverse to success.

Sucks, because Williams is a talent and the Bears are gonna end up wasting years stumbling about hoping they luck into getting it right when all they have to do is purpose to DO right and they won't need that luck - because they'll be prepared.

Ah well - this is our lot in life.

[Chi town]

Can't lie. I woke up today thinking the hottest item this black friday, flus's seat, would have been ejected. I'm highly disappointed I did not wake up to this news.

Someone through a mic in front of Poles/Warren right now. If you're not gonna serve up flus, get your ass in front of the media and explain why.

Me too. First thing I checked when I looked at my phone.

Such a joke he hasn’t been fired. Every other franchise would have canned him by now.

[Chi town]

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