Melo 17: Death or Glory

[Payt10]

This stuff needs to be resolved by today. Come on Melo.

[Sonny_D1]

No way Melo is sold on that, though. He doesn't want to play 4. And he does want someone back there to make up for his defensive lapses.

The entire pitch was that this was a great defensive team that Melo could just join and bring the missing offense we needed. Without Taj, we're not really that great defensive team anymore. Now, we're just a pretty good defensive team.

That's not the point though. Again, if I'm trying to sell a player I'm making sure I have all options available for him. Again I could be wrong, but having Taj there pretty much eliminates all the other options.

Besides, if you believe the reports out there, now we're offering to dump Taj and sign Gasol to get Melo. My point is, I think it's too late for that. That's all.

I don't.

So you thought he'd take $16m-$18m?

[fleet]

Just in case anyone's' mood starts to slip...

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#cumface

Not offense.....but could you please stop talking about cumming? It's breakfast time for God's sake.

Amen. And the anus licking. Goodness

[WhiteM0nkey]

I don't care who you are, we as fans can't even comprehend making $65 mil in a lifetime, let alone signing with another team, moving your family and leaving that much money on the table.

Chicago can pay Melo his full max though in a sign-and-trade scenario. They can't give him the extra year of $29 million, but Melo would only be leaving about $6.5 million on the table if he signed with Chicago for the full max, opted out in three years, and signed another max deal.

If Melo's going back to New York for the five year deal, I get it somewhat, but it would strike me as lazy. There are ways to get it done. If you're talking about leaving $6.5 million on the table over the next five years, that's easily money that can be made up through endorsements.

Do your numbers reflect the NY tax vs the IL tax? some one made a post 3 days ago showing how much he would save with our IL taxes, if i remember right it was more that 6.5 Mill you posted.

[coldfish]

People keep bringing it up but then refusing to look at what happens to the team. When you dump Taj for capspace, you no longer put a team on the court that can compete for a title in year 1. Its not that Taj is that good, its that a team with no PF better than vet min is that bad.

Come on Fish, you're putting way too much stock into one player. PF is not the difference between competing and being that bad. OKC doesn't have a SF or SG. Miami has no PG or C. The list goes on and on. SA is obviously the exception because they play great team ball and have the right mix if complimentary players.

Like I said, their best shot was to sell Rose/Melo/Noah. And that's it.

I think that's a losing pitch. Rose's injury status really hurts him as an attractive guy to play with on the court and he has done chicago no favors off the court.

Chicago's best pitch was a win now team. Rose / Melo / Noah + scrubs is not it.

OKC has a SF. They have a weak SG and C and haven't won because of it. Even then, they do have some depth though which is a step above what Chicago would have.

Again, this is not about Taj. Its what the whole roster looks like in the capspace scenario. Its not pretty.

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For the people who keep bringing up Gasol. That's part of a sign and trade. You can't land Gasol with the capspace scenario without someone taking a huge paycut.

Again, sign and trade = good. Capspace = bad.

[WinCity]

@stephenasmith: Don't y'all dear start asking me questions about @KingJames & @carmeloanthony. Me and @RealSkipBayless r back tomorrow on @ESPN_FirstTake

I dislike Stephan A. sometimes because he won't critisize many players because they are all "his boys". On the flip side, I think this is what makes him relatively accurate with his inside info.

In other words he doesnt have a scoop. If he did you would need to lock him in an asylum to keep him from putting it out there.

[cbjackson7]

No way am I buying Melo to LA in a STACKED west.

If LA can pull off Melo and LeBron, let those 2 pick out the coach, THEN maybe you got something.


I am not going to pretend to be a cap expert, but I would imagine you sign one, and S&T for the other. Or S&T for both.

Probably deal Julius Randle + Nash in a S&T to dump some major $$$ using Randle as the bait.



Or
Miami swoops in, pushes Bosh out and you are looking at Melo Max/ Lebron Max/ Wade reduced salary / and 1 other signing...





Just thinking out loud here of the potential nightmare scenarios.

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/video/clip?id=11181270

Tom Penn breaks it down. Isnt going to happen.

Tom Penn is horrible. He is like an elementary school on the cap. There are so many ins and outs on the cap its not even funny. I trust the jedi master. This guy:

Its about the Lakers, not the Bulls.

[Sonny_D1]

Sorry I have to explain my self on the OKC SF guys. They start Perkins and Sefolosha (and now Lamb probably), if that makes you guys feel better.

[ChiefILL53]

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LOL might be the GOAT 30 for 30

[TheStig]

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/video/clip?id=11181270

Tom Penn breaks it down. Isnt going to happen.

Tom Penn is horrible. He is like an elementary school on the cap. There are so many ins and outs on the cap its not even funny. I trust the jedi master. This guy:

Its about the Lakers, not the Bulls.

His analysis is bad. The Lakers could sign Melo and Bron and Gasol if they wanted to.

[WinCity]

I don't care who you are, we as fans can't even comprehend making $65 mil in a lifetime, let alone signing with another team, moving your family and leaving that much money on the table.

Chicago can pay Melo his full max though in a sign-and-trade scenario. They can't give him the extra year of $29 million, but Melo would only be leaving about $6.5 million on the table if he signed with Chicago for the full max, opted out in three years, and signed another max deal.

If Melo's going back to New York for the five year deal, I get it somewhat, but it would strike me as lazy. There are ways to get it done. If you're talking about leaving $6.5 million on the table over the next five years, that's easily money that can be made up through endorsements.

Good post this is what I was trying to dissect myself yesterday.

Ralph noted we could potentially move Taj adn start Melo at 22 mil.

So your saying we would sign him for the same 4 year $97 mil LA was offering, and then he opts out in year 3 to extend 2 seasons and close the gap to a total 5 years worth $123 mil?

If you factor in the savings in tax levels between CHI and NY its probably a wash.

[coldfish]

The Bulls FO have been very quiet after the Gasol meeting. Riley is busy meeting Deng yesterday ...that shows business is going on. The Bulls are hopefully busy in some kind of complex negotiations.

The silence is deafening.

Either they:
- Still think they have a good shot at Melo and are waiting for it / setting things up for it
or
- They got no freaking plan B at all and are curled up in a corner at the Berto crying about their mis spent youths.

[OldSchoolNoBull]

Side question that isn't about Melo while we're waiting: A few days ago there was a headline that both Wade and Bosh had verbally agreed to new deals at reduced salaries with Miami. But people are still talking about Bosh and other teams(Houston among others) making runs at him. What's the deal?

[IrishBeatdown]

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LOL might be the GOAT 30 for 30

LMAO

[WinCity]

#cumface

Not offense.....but could you please stop talking about cumming? It's breakfast time for God's sake.

Amen. And the anus licking. Goodness

Well you might not want to hear this but I dropped a load earlier and I swear when I looked down I saw Melo's face. It was like this, but with Melo and not on toast. Sign from above.

[Sonny_D1]

People keep bringing it up but then refusing to look at what happens to the team. When you dump Taj for capspace, you no longer put a team on the court that can compete for a title in year 1. Its not that Taj is that good, its that a team with no PF better than vet min is that bad.

Come on Fish, you're putting way too much stock into one player. PF is not the difference between competing and being that bad. OKC doesn't have a SF or SG. Miami has no PG or C. The list goes on and on. SA is obviously the exception because they play great team ball and have the right mix if complimentary players.

Like I said, their best shot was to sell Rose/Melo/Noah. And that's it.

I think that's a losing pitch. Rose's injury status really hurts him as an attractive guy to play with on the court and he has done chicago no favors off the court.

Chicago's best pitch was a win now team. Rose / Melo / Noah + scrubs is not it.

OKC has a SF. They have a weak SG and C and haven't won because of it. Even then, they do have some depth though which is a step above what Chicago would have.

Again, this is not about Taj. Its what the whole roster looks like in the capspace scenario. Its not pretty.

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For the people who keep bringing up Gasol. That's part of a sign and trade. You can't land Gasol with the capspace scenario without someone taking a huge paycut.

Again, sign and trade = good. Capspace = bad.

They lose because of the exception in SA. And they ran into the big 3 once.

But back to the scrubs comment. You keep saying its not about Taj but in every example you give, it's all about Taj. Taj makes up that much of a difference between being competitive and playing with scrubs? Sorry, I ain't buying it.

[Dengness9]

This whole thing is so out of control at this point.

I have read every page of every Melo thread and everyone, and everything is out of control.

I keep reading because I love my Bulls so much. But I wish i could stop. Feels like its good to stay connected to every rumor out there, but at the same time it feels more like it's giving me false hope.

I think Melo goes back to NYC for sure still. He isn't going to the Lakers. Thats a joke. Ramona and Broussard are an embarrassment to reporting.

EVERYONE IS TRYING TO GRAB THE SPOTLIGHT. It's sad/sickening.

Please Dear(dare) Lord let this end.

[BR0D1E86]

Side question that isn't about Melo while we're waiting: A few days ago there was a headline that both Wade and Bosh had verbally agreed to new deals at reduced salaries with Miami. But people are still talking about Bosh and other teams(Houston among others) making runs at him. What's the deal?

I believe their agents said those rumors were bogus and that Bosh wanted at least 16-18 a year. I don't remember hearing what Wade was looking for.

[Ctownbulls]

I'd assume Melo is trying to enjoy the rest of his long memorial day weekend after a long business week just like every other American. I'd be in complete shock if this got resolved today.

[mrlancers]

This entire lawyers rumor was the exact same rumor with Lebron in 2010. The address to the lawyer was in my building so I went up there to investigate and the doors were locked. Anyways it's a common rumor apparently

I remember this! I was one of the people who egged you on to do that.


I'm not gonna lie. All this Da Vinci code-type stuff trying to unlock the truth is amusing and entertaining to read, but no offense to anyone who has sources or whatever, I'm not putting one ounce of my faith in any of that stuff. I enjoy the speculation as much as the rest of you guys, but there's absolutely nothing that is absolute at the moment.