2019 Draft Thread Volume #6 - Post Lottery

[bearadonisdna]

Don't know why ppl are getting so abrasive about cam.
The bulls are looking for help in the backcourt.
Dunn didn't leave the bar that high.
Cam can conceivably be an upgrade game 1.
Same for culver and Hunter.
Would rather have any of these 3 over Lonzo Ball who is relegated as still a salvageable player or with legit NBA value

[cjbulls]

Are we all looking at Reddish as a role player or as a star player?

I see him as a role player, but with more potential than any other player in our range to be a star player. If he doesn't reach that, I'm okay, because I think he'll end up being a knock down shooter. Another weapon to space the floor. That's my best case scenario.

I know know. NOTHING suggest THIS is even possible, but yet I have this gut feeling.

I see him as a POTENTIAL role player. A POTENTIAL 3&D guy.

Right now, the silky J of his has not translated to good 3 point shooting. I suspect that it can....but right now....of the 4 guys in our range (Hunter, White, Culver, and Cam), he is the one who has proven the least.

Just look at at his history. In both EYBL and the Nike Hoop Summit, he he wasn't all that great or efficient. As the competition got better, he got worse. Zion went down, and Cam crapped the bed.
The term around here for guys like that is "bum slayer".

I guess you forgot the Florida State game, on the road, where Zion went down and Cam put up 23 on 9-15 including the buzzer beating game winner. FSU was probably the most NBAish defense out there with all their length.

Wow, I just watched these highlights for the first time. Didn't see this game. This is as impressive as any Zion game. If only he played this game and then completely shut it down, lol.

Is Red still around? This doesn’t pass the eye test?

Watch on YouTube

[Red Larrivee]

You're not making any sense. You're telling me to disregard his college numbers, but then you selectively bring up a game where he played well and you immediately promote his statline. You've also told me that he shouldn't be used as a 3&D wing as Duke used him, but that he should be used like that in the NBA.

Reddish's good games are followed by too many bad ones.

[cjbulls]

You're not making any sense. You're telling me to disregard his college numbers, but then you selectively bring up a game where he played well and you immediately promote his statline. You've also told me that he shouldn't be used as a 3&D wing as Duke used him, but that he should be used like that in the NBA.

Reddish's good games are followed by too many bad ones.

I came across the game highlights by accident because panther said he disappeared when cam was out. I just wanted to link to the game but wow.

Did you see him attacking the basket with the up and under? The multiple and1’s when he’s attacking the basket? Obviously we saw the bad games. This just shows what he’s capable of when locked in.

[SfBull]

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2019/6/4/18635931/cam-reddish-nba-draft-2019-duke-scouting-report-stats-high-school-recruiting

That article made me like him even less.
Early bloomer....talent equalization...call it what you want.

I see a bit of the same issue in Dunn (and Ball to a slight extent) as well.

Guys "look" the part.
They have height and wingspan that makes GM's salivate.
They can defend
They have "PG" experience in high school.

But they are not particularly quick or explosive (at an elite level), not do they have a quick first step. Nor are they amazing ball handlers. This all worked in high school...where they were taller and more athletic than most of the people they played against and could bully their way in the paint and shoot over people. That height advantage, plus an "average" first step and "good" (not elite) athleticism was more than enough. But as the the level of competition rises, that height and athletic gap between them and the person guarding them decreases....and all of a sudden, that lack of a first step or elite athleticism is exposed at the highest level. None of them can easily get by their man now, nor finish at the rim very well (in traffic)...so they all often settle for jumpers of some sort.

The question them becomes, do they have the desire..the motor....to do what needs to be done to make themselves better? (Ball's issue isn't his motor, it is his shot mechanics).

If it were not for his HS numbers...would Cam Reddish be Tony Snell?
Cam does not want to be seen as a spot up shooter (which he didn't do all the great in anyway)....but right now, he does not looks like someone who will be a great ISO scorer in the NBA. He's still young....and he can defend...so he will find a spot. Just lower expectations.

Congratulations for your great analysis.I really enjoy reading these pages about the draft,very instructive material.

[WindyCityBorn]

You're not making any sense. You're telling me to disregard his college numbers, but then you selectively bring up a game where he played well and you immediately promote his statline. You've also told me that he shouldn't be used as a 3&D wing as Duke used him, but that he should be used like that in the NBA.

Reddish's good games are followed by too many bad ones.

I came across the game highlights by accident because panther said he disappeared when cam was out. I just wanted to link to the game but wow.

Did you see him attacking the basket with the up and under? The multiple and1’s when he’s attacking the basket? Obviously we saw the bad games. This just shows what he’s capable of when locked in.

Any player can have some random good games. Consistency is what matters.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Can someone explain why so few of the top 10 prospects are working out for teams?

This seems like a break from previous years, no?

[CoreyVillains]

If we are unable to draft Garland or Hunter what would you think about trading the 7th pick and Dunn for Mikal Bridges
Bridges is a good 3 and D prospect who would form great wing depth with Lavine, Porter and Bridges. Can even get away with some minutes with all 3 of them playing.

Get Bridges then bring in Pat Beverly and Marcus Morris in FA(2 yr contracts) and with health and steady improvement we can make some noise and be set for a big 2021 offseason with lots of cash

I’d do that in a heartbeat but I doubt Phoenix would.

[cjbulls]

You're not making any sense. You're telling me to disregard his college numbers, but then you selectively bring up a game where he played well and you immediately promote his statline. You've also told me that he shouldn't be used as a 3&D wing as Duke used him, but that he should be used like that in the NBA.

Reddish's good games are followed by too many bad ones.

I came across the game highlights by accident because panther said he disappeared when cam was out. I just wanted to link to the game but wow.

Did you see him attacking the basket with the up and under? The multiple and1’s when he’s attacking the basket? Obviously we saw the bad games. This just shows what he’s capable of when locked in.

Any player can have some random good games. Consistency is what matters.

Did you watch we he could do though? We get that he wasn’t consistent.

[PaKii94]

I came across the game highlights by accident because panther said he disappeared when cam was out. I just wanted to link to the game but wow.

Did you see him attacking the basket with the up and under? The multiple and1’s when he’s attacking the basket? Obviously we saw the bad games. This just shows what he’s capable of when locked in.

Any player can have some random good games. Consistency is what matters.

Did you watch we he could do though? We get that he wasn’t consistent.

You can do that for a lot of prospects.... I guess maybe not Felicio lol

[panthermark]

Are we all looking at Reddish as a role player or as a star player?

I see him as a role player, but with more potential than any other player in our range to be a star player. If he doesn't reach that, I'm okay, because I think he'll end up being a knock down shooter. Another weapon to space the floor. That's my best case scenario.

I know know. NOTHING suggest THIS is even possible, but yet I have this gut feeling.

I see him as a POTENTIAL role player. A POTENTIAL 3&D guy.

Right now, the silky J of his has not translated to good 3 point shooting. I suspect that it can....but right now....of the 4 guys in our range (Hunter, White, Culver, and Cam), he is the one who has proven the least.

Just look at at his history. In both EYBL and the Nike Hoop Summit, he he wasn't all that great or efficient. As the competition got better, he got worse. Zion went down, and Cam crapped the bed.
The term around here for guys like that is "bum slayer".

I guess you forgot the Florida State game, on the road, where Zion went down and Cam put up 23 on 9-15 including the buzzer beating game winner. FSU was probably the most NBAish defense out there with all their length.

Wow, I just watched these highlights for the first time. Didn't see this game. This is as impressive as any Zion game. If only he played this game and then completely shut it down, lol.

Is Red still around? This doesn’t pass the eye test?

Watch on YouTube

But what about his other game against Florida State...the one where he scored 11 points on 8 shots. Had 4 boards and nothing else in 37 minutes?

I don't understand what we are supposed to be looking at that would make him such an exciting prospect over any other talented college player.

[nomorezorro]

cam just made more shots in that FSU game than he usually does. one good scoring game is meaningless when, over the course of the season, you show that you were only capable of making 36% of your field goals and 33% of your threes.

other than his scoring, he had 3 rebounds, 3 assists and 3 turnovers. lol at the notion of that being "as impressive as any zion game"

[GimmeDat]

Only just realized we're only 2 weeks away now. Can't come quick enough but that was sooner than I realized.

[TheSuzerain]

The funny thing with Reddish is that his EYBL stats are pretty similar to his college stats.

[TheSuzerain]

Trading #7 to the Celtics for additional picks seems like easily the best scenario to me. They badly need to consolidate and we need more talent.

[GimmeDat]

Thought I'd give a crack, based on team needs and the intel we've had come out, of who might be going where. Obviously it's really hard to project these things because of possible trades or a guy being taken before another team who liked him, etc.

1. NOP - Zion (didn't take sherlock to guess this one)
2. MEM - Morant (seems overwhelmingly likely)
3. NYK - Barrett (looks like they're at least exploring their options but RJ seems likely if they stay)
4. LAL - Garland (there's been a lot of smoke of Garland to LA and I think it makes sense)
5. CLE - Culver (rumors they like him and he's an obvious pick if he falls to 5 imo)
6. PHO - White (I think they want him? some conflicting reports regarding Suns, but it makes sense)
7. CHI - Hunter (Seems like a very Bulls pick, and I like him. Based on reports Bulls might prefer Reddish here maybe? In which case ATL probably takes Hunter)
8. ATL - Reddish (Again, lot of smoke that ATL like Reddish, and it makes a lot of sense, great spot for him)
9. WAS - Bitadze (Hasn't been a lot of noise surrounding Wiz, but C is a need and he's ready to produce. I think they'll give their core one last crack)
10. ATL - Hayes (suggestion is Hayes might have a promise around this range, ATL need a C, and esp. if Goga is gone this seems obvious)
11. MIN - Hachimura (I mean, Clarke seems like who they should take here imo, but it sounded like Minny promised Rui for some reason here)
12. CHA - Clarke (I've seen a few places suggest that they like him, and they do need defense. Will probably end up playing some small-ball 5 here I reckon)
13. MIA
14. BOS
15. DET - Langford (seems like good fit/value and the rumor is they like him)
16. ORL - Porter Jr. (this is really a guess from me, and he's polarizing so it totally comes down to how their FO perceives him, but I think this is a fair range for him, and Orlando should be looking for a dynamic perimeter type, makes a lot of sense to me)
17. BKN
18. IND
19. SAS - Okeke (seems like a very Spurs-esque pick, and I think this is a good range for him)
20. BOS - Herro (they've been rumored to like Herro. Doubt they keep all 3 picks but assume he goes at 20 or 22)
21. OKC -
22. BOS - Thybulle (he was supposedly promised by Boston, sounds more legit than the rumored OKC promise. Sounds like he'll either go 21 or 22)
23. UTA -
24. PHI - C.Johnson (Brand is on record saying they're looking for older prospects ready to contribute, they have a precedence on shooting, and Johnson and Edwards are the two names that have been linked to them. I think Cam goes here)
25. POR
26. CLE
27. BKN - Claxton (They're rumoured to want a backup big for Allen in the draft but I don't see why you'd waste #17 on it when you'd be reaching on a 5.. Claxton, Fernando, Kab all probably available here)
28. GSW
29. SAS - J.Porter (would be bit surprising to see them draft 2 ACL guys in the first together, but Spurs like him apparently and he's a classic Spurs selection)
30. MIL - Jerome (I think he's a reach here but they apparently like him and he could be a steady poor man's Brogdon replacement if he goes)

The guys that fill the rest of those 1st round gaps?

Little, Doumbouya, Bol (teens?)

NAW, G.Williams, THT (surely all 1st round guys)

Fernando, Samanic, Edwards, K.Johnson (wouldn't be shocked to see them in the 2nd but info suggests 1st round)

That basically covers everyone that would go in the first round.

[cjbulls]

Any player can have some random good games. Consistency is what matters.

Did you watch we he could do though? We get that he wasn’t consistent.

You can do that for a lot of prospects.... I guess maybe not Felicio lol

Find me a prospect with a better single-game tape showing a little bit of everything. I just found it impressive. He saved it all for one game.

Bunch of open threes, monster block, up and under vs Kabengele, multiple aggressive attacks with an and1, an aggressive rip leading to a fast break look away pull up three, perfectly executed pick and roll pull up, dribble handoff quick release nba 3, game winner.

But don't forget, he could never replicate that in the right environment. Keep watching those box scores!

[cjbulls]

cam just made more shots in that FSU game than he usually does. one good scoring game is meaningless when, over the course of the season, you show that you were only capable of making 36% of your field goals and 33% of your threes.

other than his scoring, he had 3 rebounds, 3 assists and 3 turnovers. lol at the notion of that being "as impressive as any zion game"

Keep watching those box scores!

[Red Larrivee]

cam just made more shots in that FSU game than he usually does. one good scoring game is meaningless when, over the course of the season, you show that you were only capable of making 36% of your field goals and 33% of your threes.

other than his scoring, he had 3 rebounds, 3 assists and 3 turnovers. lol at the notion of that being "as impressive as any zion game"

We're not counting his college season except for his good games.

[WindyCityBorn]

Did you watch we he could do though? We get that he wasn’t consistent.

You can do that for a lot of prospects.... I guess maybe not Felicio lol

Find me a prospect with a better single-game tape showing a little bit of everything. I just found it impressive. He saved it all for one game.

Bunch of open threes, monster block, up and under vs Kabengele, multiple aggressive attacks with an and1, an aggressive rip leading to a fast break look away pull up three, perfectly executed pick and roll pull up, dribble handoff quick release nba 3, game winner.

But don't forget, he could never replicate that in the right environment. Keep watching those box scores!

Plenty of players had, have talent and never put it together. But they could at least do it college. He will likely have the worst ever stats for a top 10 pick. You can hand wave it all you want, but he played like a scrub.