OT Bears 2019/20 season

[transplant]

The Bears defense is good and their offense sucks out loud. As a fan since the early 60s, this has been the case in most years. I'd like to tell you that it never gets old, but in truth, it really gets old.

[nitetrain8603]

Considering our previous OC was Adam Gase/his boy Dowell Loggains and we're seeing a regression from that era despite an upgrade in talent, I'm 100% confident in saying Nagy is a fraud.

Who is the upgrade?

uhh, look at that WR core.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/2017.htm

Robinson is a legit high end WR1, Miller and Mooney are talented passcatchers - (Miller's had flashes, 7TDs in his rookie year, came on strong last half of last season).

Kendell Wright, Josh Bellamy and Dontrelle Inman wouldn't play a snap on this team.

Please don't take this disrespectfully, but no. Miller is probably the most overrated WR by a fanbase in the NFL. That guy reminds me of Dez White and his hype; he's purely hype.

Their WR core is not better than their WR core from a few years ago. And they are middle of the pack in the league. Their OLine somehow became worse than when Jay had them. Their QB and RB are worse as well.

[Susan]

Who is the upgrade?

uhh, look at that WR core.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/2017.htm

Robinson is a legit high end WR1, Miller and Mooney are talented passcatchers - (Miller's had flashes, 7TDs in his rookie year, came on strong last half of last season).

Kendell Wright, Josh Bellamy and Dontrelle Inman wouldn't play a snap on this team.

Please don't take this disrespectfully, but no. Miller is probably the most overrated WR by a fanbase in the NFL. That guy reminds me of Dez White and his hype; he's purely hype.

Their WR core is not better than their WR core from a few years ago. And they are middle of the pack in the league. Their OLine somehow became worse than when Jay had them. Their QB and RB are worse as well.

ok, take Kendell Wright, Inman and Josh Bellamy over those guys.

The team has sucked at developing offensive talent. That's on Nagy's shoulders. Mike Davis just had a another decent day, Trey Burton just scored another TD.

Nagy's done a piss poor job of maximizing the talent that he does have on the offensive side of the ball.

[CjayC]

Who is the upgrade?

uhh, look at that WR core.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/2017.htm

Robinson is a legit high end WR1, Miller and Mooney are talented passcatchers - (Miller's had flashes, 7TDs in his rookie year, came on strong last half of last season).

Kendell Wright, Josh Bellamy and Dontrelle Inman wouldn't play a snap on this team.

Please don't take this disrespectfully, but no. Miller is probably the most overrated WR by a fanbase in the NFL. That guy reminds me of Dez White and his hype; he's purely hype.

Their WR core is not better than their WR core from a few years ago. And they are middle of the pack in the league. Their OLine somehow became worse than when Jay had them. Their QB and RB are worse as well.

I'll just say it, Miller kinda sucks. Never really surprises me with any spectacular kind of catches, and lets a bunch of catachable ones slip through his fingers. Mooney looks like he could be the real deal on the bright side.

[Susan]

uhh, look at that WR core.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/2017.htm

Robinson is a legit high end WR1, Miller and Mooney are talented passcatchers - (Miller's had flashes, 7TDs in his rookie year, came on strong last half of last season).

Kendell Wright, Josh Bellamy and Dontrelle Inman wouldn't play a snap on this team.

Please don't take this disrespectfully, but no. Miller is probably the most overrated WR by a fanbase in the NFL. That guy reminds me of Dez White and his hype; he's purely hype.

Their WR core is not better than their WR core from a few years ago. And they are middle of the pack in the league. Their OLine somehow became worse than when Jay had them. Their QB and RB are worse as well.

I'll just say it, Miller kinda sucks. Never really surprises me with any spectacular kind of catches, and lets a bunch of catachable ones slip through his fingers. Mooney looks like he could be the real deal on the bright side.

He does suck and he would have been the WR1 on that 2017 team. Do you remember that team?

He's also not been developed into a good WR, he came in with some promise but seems to have regressed. This is what I'm talking about.

Who's Nagy developed in his time here? I can point to the defense and say who's gotten better here, who came with good potential as a draft pick and who just flamed out.

Offensively it's just a bunch of guys who have steadily regressed as they've been here longer. That's on Nagy.

[CjayC]

Please don't take this disrespectfully, but no. Miller is probably the most overrated WR by a fanbase in the NFL. That guy reminds me of Dez White and his hype; he's purely hype.

Their WR core is not better than their WR core from a few years ago. And they are middle of the pack in the league. Their OLine somehow became worse than when Jay had them. Their QB and RB are worse as well.

I'll just say it, Miller kinda sucks. Never really surprises me with any spectacular kind of catches, and lets a bunch of catachable ones slip through his fingers. Mooney looks like he could be the real deal on the bright side.

He does suck and he would have been the WR1 on that 2017 team. Do you remember that team?

He's also not been developed into a good WR, he came in with some promise but seems to have regressed. This is what I'm talking about.

Who's Nagy developed in his time here? I can point to the defense and say who's gotten better here, who came with good potential as a draft pick and who just flamed out.

Offensively it's just a bunch of guys who have steadily regressed as they've been here longer. That's on Nagy.

My heart says at this point I'm no fan of Nagy and wouldn't mind if they just did a complete tear down. My head says they will give Pace/Nagy a chance to rectify it, the McCaskey's are patient.

Miller would've been #1 on that team sadly. I put some blame on Miller's shoulders though. Dude's forgotten where to run more than once and was in some brief doghouse periods because of that, which is all on him.

[chicagoballer]

I think NFL has evolved to the point where dominant offenses maybe the most important factor to win it all. A top defense will not carry your team to the superbowl in this era.

you need a baseline good offense and a defense to put you over the top. Defense wins championships is BS. you need both to win, and at the minimum, you need adequacy on offense to compete.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

I think NFL has evolved to the point where dominant offenses maybe the most important factor to win it all. A top defense will not carry your team to the superbowl in this era.

you need a baseline good offense and a defense to put you over the top. Defense wins championships is BS. you need both to win, and at the minimum, you need adequacy on offense to compete.

Having both is typically what wins championships. If you look at the last decade of winners, you’ll usually see a team that has a top 5 offense and top 5 defense.

But having a top 5 offense is extremely dependent on having a great QB. To me, if a team doesn’t have a top 10-12 QB, they should be drafting one EVERY YEAR until they get one. Doesn’t have to always be in the first round, but there is no reason to not continuously try to get that QB every year.

[dice]

I think NFL has evolved to the point where dominant offenses maybe the most important factor to win it all. A top defense will not carry your team to the superbowl in this era.

you need a baseline good offense and a defense to put you over the top. Defense wins championships is BS. you need both to win, and at the minimum, you need adequacy on offense to compete.

Having both is typically what wins championships. If you look at the last decade of winners, you’ll usually see a team that has a top 5 offense and top 5 defense.

league rankings (PPG for/against) of last 10 super bowl winners/losers:

chiefs 5th offense 7th defense
niners 2nd offense 8th defense

pats 4th offense 7th defense
rams 2nd offense 20th defense

eagles 3rd offense 4th defense
pats 2nd offense 5th defense

pats 3rd offense 1st defense
falcons 1st offense 27th defense

broncos 19th offense 4th defense
panthers 1st offense 6th defense

pats 4th offense 8th defense
seahawks 10th offense 1st defense

seahawks 8th offense 1st defense
broncos 1st offense 22nd defense

ravens 10th offense 12th defense
niners 11th offense 2nd defense

giants 9th offense 25th defense
pats 3rd offense 15th defense

pack 10th offense 2nd defense
steelers 12th offense 1st defense

COMPOSITE #6 offense #9 defense

only 3 of 20 super bowl teams over the past decade have had both a top 5 offense and defense. 9 out of 20 have been top EIGHT (top quarter of the league) on both sides of the ball, however

To me, if a team doesn’t have a top 10-12 QB, they should be drafting one EVERY YEAR until they get one. Doesn’t have to always be in the first round, but there is no reason to not continuously try to get that QB every year.

that's an interesting philosophy. i dunno about EVERY year, but certainly taking regular swings at high upside QBs should be a priority

[Chi town]

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[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

Well the bye week went about as good as it could have. best week of the season!

[chicagoballer]

I think NFL has evolved to the point where dominant offenses maybe the most important factor to win it all. A top defense will not carry your team to the superbowl in this era.

you need a baseline good offense and a defense to put you over the top. Defense wins championships is BS. you need both to win, and at the minimum, you need adequacy on offense to compete.

Having both is typically what wins championships. If you look at the last decade of winners, you’ll usually see a team that has a top 5 offense and top 5 defense.

league rankings (PPG for/against) of last 10 super bowl winners/losers:

chiefs 5th offense 7th defense
niners 2nd offense 8th defense

pats 4th offense 7th defense
rams 2nd offense 20th defense

eagles 3rd offense 4th defense
pats 2nd offense 5th defense

pats 3rd offense 1st defense
falcons 1st offense 27th defense

broncos 19th offense 4th defense
panthers 1st offense 6th defense

pats 4th offense 8th defense
seahawks 10th offense 1st defense

seahawks 8th offense 1st defense
broncos 1st offense 22nd defense

ravens 10th offense 12th defense
niners 11th offense 2nd defense

giants 9th offense 25th defense
pats 3rd offense 15th defense

pack 10th offense 2nd defense
steelers 12th offense 1st defense

COMPOSITE #6 offense #9 defense

only 3 of 20 super bowl teams over the past decade have had both a top 5 offense and defense. 9 out of 20 have been top EIGHT (top quarter of the league) on both sides of the ball, however

To me, if a team doesn’t have a top 10-12 QB, they should be drafting one EVERY YEAR until they get one. Doesn’t have to always be in the first round, but there is no reason to not continuously try to get that QB every year.

that's an interesting philosophy. i dunno about EVERY year, but certainly taking regular swings at high upside QBs should be a priority

yea, I agree, both would be ideal. But offense maybe more of a requirement, and a defense can be compensated for to a degree. at the minimum, atleast its more fun to watch a good offense. And a good QB would be such fresh breath of air. He would be a god in chicago after the drought we have had.

[dice]

Having both is typically what wins championships. If you look at the last decade of winners, you’ll usually see a team that has a top 5 offense and top 5 defense.

league rankings (PPG for/against) of last 10 super bowl winners/losers:

chiefs 5th offense 7th defense
niners 2nd offense 8th defense

pats 4th offense 7th defense
rams 2nd offense 20th defense

eagles 3rd offense 4th defense
pats 2nd offense 5th defense

pats 3rd offense 1st defense
falcons 1st offense 27th defense

broncos 19th offense 4th defense
panthers 1st offense 6th defense

pats 4th offense 8th defense
seahawks 10th offense 1st defense

seahawks 8th offense 1st defense
broncos 1st offense 22nd defense

ravens 10th offense 12th defense
niners 11th offense 2nd defense

giants 9th offense 25th defense
pats 3rd offense 15th defense

pack 10th offense 2nd defense
steelers 12th offense 1st defense

COMPOSITE #6 offense #9 defense

only 3 of 20 super bowl teams over the past decade have had both a top 5 offense and defense. 9 out of 20 have been top EIGHT (top quarter of the league) on both sides of the ball, however

To me, if a team doesn’t have a top 10-12 QB, they should be drafting one EVERY YEAR until they get one. Doesn’t have to always be in the first round, but there is no reason to not continuously try to get that QB every year.

that's an interesting philosophy. i dunno about EVERY year, but certainly taking regular swings at high upside QBs should be a priority

yea, I agree, both would be ideal. But offense maybe more of a requirement, and a defense can be compensated for to a degree. at the minimum, atleast its more fun to watch a good offense. And a good QB would be such fresh breath of air. He would be a god in chicago after the drought we have had.

offense is definitely more important given that the gap between a great offense and a terrible offense is greater than that between great and terrible defenses

[fleet]

Considering our previous OC was Adam Gase/his boy Dowell Loggains and we're seeing a regression from that era despite an upgrade in talent, I'm 100% confident in saying Nagy is a fraud.

Offense is I think, 31st average yards per game. Coach Nagy did it? Ryan Pace hired Nagy. Checking talent, difficult to see upgrades relative to the league. QBs, dismal. Running backs weak. O Line, pathetic. Receivers?

Spoiler:

uhh, look at that WR core.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/2017.htm

Robinson is a legit high end WR1, Miller and Mooney are talented passcatchers - (Miller's had flashes, 7TDs in his rookie year, came on strong last half of last season).

Kendell Wright, Josh Bellamy and Dontrelle Inman wouldn't play a snap on this team.

Receivers group, saying progress has been made is certainly a low bar, fair observer analysis will say it has become average at best. This one publication here says ranked 22nd going into season:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2893253-ranking-every-nfl-receiving-corps-heading-into-the-2020-season.amp.html

This one has it at 20th:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/07/14/chicago-bears-receiver-corps-comes-in-at-no-20-in-pro-football-focus-rankings/amp/

27th:

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2020-nfl-season-receiving-corps-rankings

First 3 I looked at on google search for Bears wide receiver group rankings. I assume similar if I kept going.

Ryan Pace has to be axed, this is a dumpster fire.

[Susan]

Considering our previous OC was Adam Gase/his boy Dowell Loggains and we're seeing a regression from that era despite an upgrade in talent, I'm 100% confident in saying Nagy is a fraud.

Offense is I think, 31st average yards per game. Coach Nagy did it? Ryan Pace hired Nagy. Checking talent, difficult to see upgrades relative to the league. QBs, dismal. Running backs weak. O Line, pathetic. Receivers?

Spoiler:

uhh, look at that WR core.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/2017.htm

Robinson is a legit high end WR1, Miller and Mooney are talented passcatchers - (Miller's had flashes, 7TDs in his rookie year, came on strong last half of last season).

Kendell Wright, Josh Bellamy and Dontrelle Inman wouldn't play a snap on this team.

Receivers group, saying progress has been made is certainly a low bar, fair observer analysis will say it has become average at best. This one publication here says ranked 22nd going into season:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2893253-ranking-every-nfl-receiving-corps-heading-into-the-2020-season.amp.html

This one has it at 20th:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/07/14/chicago-bears-receiver-corps-comes-in-at-no-20-in-pro-football-focus-rankings/amp/

27th:

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2020-nfl-season-receiving-corps-rankings

First 3 I looked at on google search for Bears wide receiver group rankings. I assume similar if I kept going.

Ryan Pace has to be axed, this is a dumpster fire.

I wouldn't be against it. Pace hired Nagy, Nagy has failed pretty miserably.

But if Pace stayed, I could see why. Pace has drafted well IMO and on the defensive side of the ball they've done a pretty good job of developing that talent, on the offensive side - not so much.

IMO Nagy has been a decent HC but a terrible OC. He's been decent because he's allowed good DCs to man that side of the team, find a HC that can actually develop talent on the offensive side of the ball and this could work.

This defense still has a window IMO, the next regime should hopefully embrace that.

And the point was. - the WR core is obviously better than it was in 2017 where they had similar results. Not sure why we need to argue that. Dontrelle Inman, Kendall Wright and Josh Bellamy all were not starting level players. Allen Robinson absolutely is and Mooney is clearly a talented rookie.

[fleet]

Just a wild guess, Pace might squeeze by because by firing the coach only, blame is deflected off ownership. Which ownership will be looking for imo, deflection. I do agree it is deserved. Pace has blown the coaching hire twice, and QB 3 times. The biggest decisions a football GM makes. I wondered if someone would be fired at all. That is until I read that George McCaskey has gone ballistic about this offense. Then it seemed, 1 or more heads got to roll. The anger was about the offense though. Which could be construed as mercy for the GM. If it was about the entire team, then Pace should get his items in order. We should watch if the Bears keep losing how McCaskey is parsing his fury at which part of the team. I don’t think special teams are very special either. Penalties etc.

[ATRAIN53]

Maybe we can draft Ian Book with a 3/4th round pick......?

I really would like to see them make a swap and get Sam Darnold out of NY. He's out there for the taking. I like this kid.

I also enjoyed watching Philip Rivers beat the Packers Sunday.
I love old man Rivers firey personality. That Colts D is pretty good too.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

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Nagy noncommittal on who will start Sunday.

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

Bring Mitch back for one last look.

Stop beating around the bush Nagy.

[dice]

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Nagy noncommittal on who will start Sunday.

patterson wildcat every play?