NBA Draft 2018 6.0: Lucky #7 and 22.

NecessaryEvil · Post #1781 » by **NecessaryEvil** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:10 pm

Windy says on ESPN just now that if Doncic falls to #3, Dallas & Orlando will be looking to trade for him, maybe other teams (for you Doncic fans). ATL doesn't mind moving down because they want Trae Young. Says Doncic is the biggest piece to the puzzle but nobody has a real good feel for whats going to happen yet.

madvillian · Post #1782 » by **madvillian** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:12 pm

NecessaryEvil wrote:Windy says on ESPN just now that if Doncic falls to #3, Dallas & Orlando will be looking to trade for him, maybe other teams (for you Doncic fans). ATL doesn't mind moving down because they want Trae Young. Says Doncic is the biggest piece to the puzzle but nobody has a real good feel for whats going to happen yet.

Thanks for the report but to me the report just says "your guess is as good as mine".

ChicagoStrong · Post #1783 » by **ChicagoStrong** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:14 pm

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Red Larrivee · Post #1784 » by **Red Larrivee** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:14 pm

For every top lottery prospect in this draft, you can find former players who are vouching for them. It's not meaningful. Kevin Garnett co-signed Mo Bamba already and it shouldn't confirm or deny your opinion:

Garnett said he sees a lot of himself in Bamba, noting that the first things he notices in a player are their “desire” and “passion.”

“It wasn’t by coincidence I reached out to him,” Garnett said.

johnnyvann840 · Post #1785 » by **johnnyvann840** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:14 pm

Dresden wrote:
Payt10 wrote:If MPJ had a broken neck, people here would still be dead set on drafting him with the 7th pick, I'm convinced.

And I"m convinced that even if he wins ROY, people here would still say they don't see anything special about his game.

MCW won ROY. So did Wiggins. So did Tyreke Evans.

Dresden · Post #1786 » by **Dresden** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:14 pm

fleet wrote:
AKfanatic wrote:
fleet wrote:You would need to try very hard.

He’s definitely got talent. His shot is about as sweet as you’ll find, be it off fade aways, step backs, pull-ups, or up and unders.

The only concerns I really have with Porter is the obvious back concern and his dribble posture. He’s so straight up and down when dribbling, I worry that NBA defenders will completely stop his dribble game. Porter needs to learn to bend those knees a bit and loosen up when crossing over.

Still not sure he can play SF...but I was one that thought Lauri could play the center position. If the Bulls draft Porter and he stays healthy, worst case is you have him at PF and have the best stretch frontcourt in the league.

I sort of have the same concerns. But the game is about matchups as you know. Lauri and Porter with their size and shooting are going to cause problems overall. I think if you have 2 playmaking guards with these forwards, it could work well. Just set em up for shots. Dont ask them to do too much.

When we had our 12-2 streak last year, one of the key drivers of that was Niko/Portis/Lauri giving us 3 players 6'10" or more that could all shoot from the perimeter. Teams just couldn't stop that. And they could score inside if you let them, too. Having bigs that have scoring versatility, along with playmaking ability gives small ball teams fits.

Dresden · Post #1787 » by **Dresden** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:14 pm

johnnyvann840 wrote:
Dresden wrote:
Payt10 wrote:If MPJ had a broken neck, people here would still be dead set on drafting him with the 7th pick, I'm convinced.

And I"m convinced that even if he wins ROY, people here would still say they don't see anything special about his game.

MCW won ROY. So did Wiggins. So did Tyreke Evans.

You're proving my point.

Betta Bulleavit · Post #1788 » by **Betta Bulleavit** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:17 pm

ChicagoStrong wrote:

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No!?!? He didn't actually say that did he?

Dresden · Post #1789 » by **Dresden** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:17 pm

Red Larrivee wrote:For every top lottery prospect in this draft, you can find former players who are vouching for them. It's not meaningful.

That's right, because all the top players are worthy of praise and are very talented. It's not meaningless because what they are saying is by and large true- all these prospects do have enormous potential.

What you don't hear is any of them saying "this guy has no talent and doesn't belong in the lottery".

NecessaryEvil · Post #1790 » by **NecessaryEvil** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:17 pm

Red Larrivee wrote:For every top lottery prospect in this draft, you can find former players who are vouching for them. It's not meaningful.

Nothing wrong with being co-signed by legends who have been there before. It definitely doesn't hurt.

Older rappers co-sign new, emerging talents all the time

Not the same field but endorsements are nice to get from great people in any field.

Jory04 · Post #1791 » by **Jory04** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:17 pm

Jello Biafra wrote:
JimmyJammer wrote:
Dresden wrote:
Good post, although you wonder what the influx of so many talented big men in this year's draft may do to change the role of the big man in the nba.

It would not shock me if PHO did not take Ayton #1,and instead went Bagley or Doncic.

McGee did play more than 3 minutes in the finals though. Maybe you are talking about the final game?

There is a new breed of big men coming up who are going to blow the game open. They can guard and score on the perimeter and down low. While I am rooting hard for the Bulls to draft Porter, I can definitely get behind Bamba. Both Bamba and Lauri can guard on the perimeter, the pick and roll, and inside.

Great. Bamba's upside is Mutombo. Why would the Bull's move up in the draft to get a one dimensional guy when that dimension is strictly rim protection. He's not a low post defender. He gets pushed around like Bagley. He has no offensive game, perimeter or otherwise. Ok, he can score on lobs or against his 46 year old agent in youtube videos. I can't see what makes him so different than Nerlens Noel or Thon Maker. By the way, you can sign a Mutombo or a close facsimile thereto for cheap. It would be a complete waste if the Bull's drafted Bamba.

Yeah what a waste, who wants to draft a hall of famer, with ten all-star games to his name, and a twenty year career.

TheFinishSniper · Post #1792 » by **TheFinishSniper** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:19 pm

ChicagoStrong wrote:

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At least he is honest. But he will have Derrick Rose relationship with media if he is anything not but success.

Red Larrivee · Post #1793 » by **Red Larrivee** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:20 pm

Dresden wrote:
Red Larrivee wrote:For every top lottery prospect in this draft, you can find former players who are vouching for them. It's not meaningful.

That's right, because all the top players are worthy of praise and are very talented. It's not meaningless because what they are saying is by and large true- all these prospects do have enormous potential.

What you don't hear is any of them saying "this guy has no talent and doesn't belong in the lottery".

Of course not, because that's not how you operate publicly. But, if they were paid to give objective analysis as GM's and scouts do, things would definitely change.

Post #1794 » by **fleet** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:20 pm

Red Larrivee wrote:For every top lottery prospect in this draft, you can find former players who are vouching for them. It's not meaningful.

I dont know how meaningful it is. But when a good talent evaluator like IT says Michael Porter is the best player in the draft, it is a strong counterpoint to a vocal RealGM minority that insists he is total garbage.

bennjuiced34 · Post #1795 » by **bennjuiced34** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:20 pm

Red Larrivee wrote:For every top lottery prospect in this draft, you can find former players who are vouching for them. It's not meaningful. Kevin Garnett co-signed Mo Bamba already and it shouldn't confirm or deny your opinion:

Garnett said he sees a lot of himself in Bamba, noting that the first things he notices in a player are their “desire” and “passion.”

“It wasn’t by coincidence I reached out to him,” Garnett said.

Same with Batum's comments about Bamba. They really don't mean squat, as nice as they are to hear.

madvillian · Post #1796 » by **madvillian** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:23 pm

Hey money is a powerful motivator for some guys. If he gets the max after his rookie deal is done he'll probably have earned it one way or another. That said, bruh, you don't want to make a habit of being so candid with the media. They will eat you alive.

NecessaryEvil · Post #1797 » by **NecessaryEvil** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:23 pm

TheFinishSniper wrote:
ChicagoStrong wrote:

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At least he is honest. But he will have Derrick Rose relationship with media if he is anything not but success.

Ayton is incredibly well spoken. He's nothing like D-Rose

Look, alot of us come from POVERTY. So, setting up his family with generational wealth through a max contract is SUCCESS

I could care less about an NBA title. Nice to win one but definitely not the most important thing in the lives of some athletes.

Red Larrivee · Post #1798 » by **Red Larrivee** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:24 pm

fleet wrote:
Red Larrivee wrote:For every top lottery prospect in this draft, you can find former players who are vouching for them. It's not meaningful.

I dont know how meaningful it is. But when a good talent evaluator like IT says Michael Porter is the best player in the draft, it is a strong counterpoint to a vocal RealGM minority that insists he is total garbage.

You're quoting the wrong IT.

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Betta Bulleavit · Post #1799 » by **Betta Bulleavit** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:25 pm

madvillian wrote:Hey money is a powerful motivator for some guys. If he gets the max after his rookie deal is done he'll probably have earned it one way or another. That said, bruh, you don't want to make a habit of being so candid with the media. They will eat you alive.

Great point. And I think that's probably where my shock comes from. Just not used to guys being that candid with their thoughts. I suppose it could be quite refreshing given a second to think about it.

Dan Z · Post #1800 » by **Dan Z** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:25 pm

Indomitable wrote:
Dan Z wrote:
NecessaryEvil wrote:
I love this kid too.

Somehow, someway I'm hoping for a miracle & we land Bamba/Porter Jr.

Say what you will about Isiah as a GM, but he was good when it came to drafting. It's interesting to see him give Porter tips on his dribble. Also when asked about where he sees himself in the league Porter never once mentioned defense. Not a big deal though...he's known for his scoring at this point.

He said one of the best players in the league actually.

I know I watched the video. He talks about scoring and never once mentions defense.

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