OT: COVID-19 thread #2

[PlayerUp]

Let's not forget in the whole BLM movement that Trump is OPENLY disparaging all Asiatic countries.

Kung Flu...not funny. Definitely RACIST.

He needs China as a foil to place the blame on. He doesn't have to be racist about it.

But that's the drum that he likes the most. He wants to make it about Us Vs. Them.

Speaking of racism, being someone who has spent quite a large amount of time in China, racism here is just as bad if not worse than in the US. If you're a different race, you do not fit well in China unlike the US which welcomes all races.

As for Trump, he has always had a feud with China. They do not treat the rest of the world fairly.

[musiqsoulchild]

9 out of the first 10 people made aware of this likely knew it was a huge mistake, but there is no way in hell they were going to put their job on the line by pointing out that it was even a slight possibility.
Then they went home to talk to their spouse.

"holy crap, nascar is all over the news, whats the story on the noose?"
"(unplugs alexa) "don't repeat this to anyone, but it was just a piece of string"
"seriously? what did you say?"
"nothing, absolutely nothing, Its a bad time to be unemployed"
"so what did you do"
"I did what I was told, and called the FBI"

That's how it should be.

Everytime.

If you see something that might be racist, we need to escalate it at the appropriate level.

Bubba didnt make this up. Nascar didnt.

Considering the industry I work with, dock lines (nooses) are literally everywhere.



Do you have the hotline for the FBI? I need to report about 35 years worth of Racism pronto.
This is a ballpark figure but we're talking at least 30,000 instances, at one marina.
That's how it should be, Everytime?

Yeesh..no.

That's why I said APPROPRIATE escalation.

Your manager, unit head that's who youd report to.

Which is what Bubba did.

[musiqsoulchild]

Let's not forget in the whole BLM movement that Trump is OPENLY disparaging all Asiatic countries.

Kung Flu...not funny. Definitely RACIST.

He needs China as a foil to place the blame on. He doesn't have to be racist about it.

But that's the drum that he likes the most. He wants to make it about Us Vs. Them.

Speaking of racism, being someone who has spent quite a large amount of time in China, racism here is just as bad if not worse than in the US. If you're a different race, you do not fit well in China unlike the US which welcomes all races.

As for Trump, he has always had a feud with China. They do not treat the rest of the world fairly.

That's not an excuse nor a justification.

[PlayerUp]

That's not an excuse nor a justification.

How many times has Trump attacked China over the span of 3.5 years? I would guess over 1,000 times. Howabout other asian countries? Barely at all. Trump has always been aggressive with China so this is nothing new when he attacks them.

[musiqsoulchild]

That's not an excuse nor a justification.

How many times has Trump attacked China over the span of 3.5 years? I would guess over 1,000 times. Howabout other asian countries? Barely at all. Trump has always been aggressive with China so this is nothing new when he attacks them.

This is Exhibit A for racism.

Kung Flu is NOT the same as berating China for trade and foreign policy.

Saying Chinese Flu repeatedly is Xenophobic.
Kung Flu makes it Racist

Even if he wins re-election, his ideas will lose. Its just a matter of time now.

[Dresden]

Maybe it's a grand conspiracy or maybe there is a spike. The Governor of Florida says there is a spike:



https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2020/06/20/desantis-pivots-on-covid-19-surge-says-testing-doesnt-account-for-spike-1293901

I didn't see "spike" anywhere in his statement, nor did I mention anything about "grand conspiracy" - that was some relatively nasty innuendo from you in relation to facts that you apparently don't like to read (so much so that you deleted it in your quote of my comment - not cool). So let me repeat the link to and direct and direct quote of the data source (with emphasis added on the most important part) - noting that politico's journalists didn't bother to check this issue and note the major caveat...

Here's the link (to a non-partisan cite): https://covidtracking.com/data

Then you scroll down to Florida and see the disclaimer (also on the Florida specific page that they have), which states:

We report using the raw data provided by FDOH but we include both Florida residents and non-residents. On March 26, the dashboard stopped including non-residents in its visible counts, but they're still tracked behind the scenes.
On March 21, negatives jumped due to a methodology change: tests of people not investigated as PUIs are now included. As of May 15, Florida is reporting both specimens (PCR and antibody) and people tested. We report positives and negatives based on the number of people tested. However, the "people tested" number reported on Florida's dashboard has come into question as of May 31, because this number is not fully de-duplicated. Florida's report states that: "People tested on multiple days will be included for each day a new result was received."

The meaning of that is quite clear, and explains some unknown percentage of the increase in numbers out of Florida... namely:

(1) when a person tests positive they will 100% be given at one or more retests (and if they are at a hospital it's typically every day or two, until they get two negative tests in a row and are releasable, or pass away);

(2) per the statement, each one of those retests is published as a "new case" - even though it's not a new case of COVID but just a new positive test confirming an old case.

It's not a "conspiracy" to point out this defect in the data (which does make it basically garbage). It's a data quality issue. Calling a documented data quality issue a conspiracy doesn't make it one - it just discredits the person making that patently false assertion.

They don't retest everyday after your initial positive in the hospital, there's still a short supply of PCR tests nationwide and it would be a huge waste to test every day a patient is admitted in the hospital, not to mention that it makes zero sense to test everyday when you already know he's covid positive.

They test you in the beginning, and if your positive and you have symptoms, they treat you until your symptoms go away. After your symptoms are gone and other tests return to normal, they will retest for covid in order to get discharged, and usually that test will be negative. Sometimes you still do get a positive result, in which case the patient might stick around for a bit longer under observation, but generally those tests will be negative. It's rare and a waste of supplies/reagents to get someone tested more than 4-5 times in one hospital stay.

SOURCE: I'm a lab specialist for a hospital.

I think it's great that we have so many people in this forum from different backgrounds, different occupations, to give perspective and share their knowledge.

[Dresden]

That's not an excuse nor a justification.

How many times has Trump attacked China over the span of 3.5 years? I would guess over 1,000 times. Howabout other asian countries? Barely at all. Trump has always been aggressive with China so this is nothing new when he attacks them.

This is Exhibit A for racism.

Kung Flu is NOT the same as berating China for trade and foreign policy.

Saying Chinese Flu repeatedly is Xenophobic.
Kung Flu makes it Racist

Even if he wins re-election, his ideas will lose. Its just a matter of time now.

I agree on this- it's making fun of the old trope that Chinese have trouble pronouncing English words. And that's why his audience laughs at it- they know it's a naughty thing to say, but they can safely get away with it in the bubble world of a Trump rally, where they are among others who think the same way they do.

[Dresden]

"Most U.S. equity investors now expect presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden to defeat President Donald Trump in the November election, according to a new survey from RBC, an event that will also be bearish for stocks given the former Vice President’s policy stances.

According to the survey of 107 institutional investors, 63% of investors expect Biden and the Democrats to win in November. The data represent a sharp reversal from Wall Street’s sentiment before the COVID-19 pandemic, which showed markets consistently pricing in Trump’s reelection."

[dice]

As the NASCAR hoax is further evidence of, the demand for racism in this country vastly, vastly, vastly outstrips the actual supply of racism.

Just to clarify here for those who aren't up to date on this, it was determined by the FBI no hate crime happened here.

https://tv5.espn.com/racing/nascar/story/_/id/29354447/fbi-says-rope-had-talladega-garage-last-fall-bubba-wallace-not-victim-hate-crime

Correct.

It should have taken no more than 30 minutes to figure out that the rope was a garage pull and not a noose.

here's a photo of a random garage pull:



not in the shape of a noose, now is it? once again, if you stopped for just a second to apply basic logic, if a noose at the end was the standard shape of a garage pull, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE THOUGHT ANYTHING OF IT! bubba wallace does not benefit from charging potential racism and have it proven false. if he doesn't recognize that, the people around him surely would. and would have said "hey bubba, this is pretty standard for a garage pull. there's no need to get the freaking FBI involved"

and 30 minutes? if a noose shape is standard for a garage pull, why would it take more than a glance to dismiss any thought of terrorism?

and who else knows that fashioning a garage pull into a noose isn't normal? NASCAR and every single driver who showed support for him. 'cause all of 'em are quite familiar with garage pulls

But people are so determined to see racism where it doesn't exist that immediately everyone was told to believe that this was a hate crime.

nobody was TOLD to believe anything. you're blatantly lying. because you're so determined to dismiss racism whether it exists or not

Our culture bestows so much praise, fame, and love on supposed hate crime victims that there's a strong temptation to become one.

toxic garbage statement. you should be ashamed of yourself. but people who stay **** like this are incapable of feeling shame

Wallace got a strong taste of the victimhood, immediately becoming a national celebrity and going on a nationwide media tour. And he doesn't want that taken away.

yet more getbull****. first of all, nobody likes the feeling of victimhood. secondly, he was a celebrity before the noose thing. that celebrity was ongoing. there was no need to "juice" that celebrity at this time, if indeed his objective is fame (which there is absolutely no reason to believe). finally, and most obviously, there is a large cost to bubba wallace's celebrity. and it comes in the form of THREATS TO HIM AND HIS FAMILY. for the forseeable future, long after his current "fame" has faded, he'll be looking over his shoulder. he's gonna be seeing a lot more confederate flags going forward. anyone who can't recognize the profound downside of what he's going through is willfully blind. a goddamn fool

Look at the San Francisco "noose" story. This stuff has become ridiculous. Like I said, it's because the demand for racism has massively outstripped the supply of it.

getbull****

people who think like you do were saying throughout the obama administration that racism in america no longer exists because we had a black president. despite in-your-face obvious examples of it throughout the south in the form of confederate flags. despite vicious racist attacks, including conspiracy theories. here in the real world, we recognized that electing the first black president brought a whole lot of racists out of the woodwork. the election of donald truth was both a symptom of that toxicity and an accelerant of it

[MGB8]

Maybe it's a grand conspiracy or maybe there is a spike. The Governor of Florida says there is a spike:



https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2020/06/20/desantis-pivots-on-covid-19-surge-says-testing-doesnt-account-for-spike-1293901

I didn't see "spike" anywhere in his statement, nor did I mention anything about "grand conspiracy" - that was some relatively nasty innuendo from you in relation to facts that you apparently don't like to read (so much so that you deleted it in your quote of my comment - not cool). So let me repeat the link to and direct and direct quote of the data source (with emphasis added on the most important part) - noting that politico's journalists didn't bother to check this issue and note the major caveat...

Here's the link (to a non-partisan cite): https://covidtracking.com/data

Then you scroll down to Florida and see the disclaimer (also on the Florida specific page that they have), which states:

We report using the raw data provided by FDOH but we include both Florida residents and non-residents. On March 26, the dashboard stopped including non-residents in its visible counts, but they're still tracked behind the scenes.
On March 21, negatives jumped due to a methodology change: tests of people not investigated as PUIs are now included. As of May 15, Florida is reporting both specimens (PCR and antibody) and people tested. We report positives and negatives based on the number of people tested. However, the "people tested" number reported on Florida's dashboard has come into question as of May 31, because this number is not fully de-duplicated. Florida's report states that: "People tested on multiple days will be included for each day a new result was received."

The meaning of that is quite clear, and explains some unknown percentage of the increase in numbers out of Florida... namely:

(1) when a person tests positive they will 100% be given at one or more retests (and if they are at a hospital it's typically every day or two, until they get two negative tests in a row and are releasable, or pass away);

(2) per the statement, each one of those retests is published as a "new case" - even though it's not a new case of COVID but just a new positive test confirming an old case.

It's not a "conspiracy" to point out this defect in the data (which does make it basically garbage). It's a data quality issue. Calling a documented data quality issue a conspiracy doesn't make it one - it just discredits the person making that patently false assertion.

They don't retest everyday after your initial positive in the hospital, there's still a short supply of PCR tests nationwide and it would be a huge waste to test every day a patient is admitted in the hospital, not to mention that it makes zero sense to test everyday when you already know he's covid positive.

They test you in the beginning, and if your positive and you have symptoms, they treat you until your symptoms go away. After your symptoms are gone and other tests return to normal, they will retest for covid in order to get discharged, and usually that test will be negative. Sometimes you still do get a positive result, in which case the patient might stick around for a bit longer under observation, but generally those tests will be negative. It's rare and a waste of supplies/reagents to get someone tested more than 4-5 times in one hospital stay.

SOURCE: I'm a lab specialist for a hospital.

That isn't the experience of folks I know who tested positive (some who had relatives who went to the hospital re the same spreading incident, some of whom didn't make it). NYC metro area.

[Ccwatercraft]

That's how it should be.

Everytime.

If you see something that might be racist, we need to escalate it at the appropriate level.

Bubba didnt make this up. Nascar didnt.

Considering the industry I work with, dock lines (nooses) are literally everywhere.



Do you have the hotline for the FBI? I need to report about 35 years worth of Racism pronto.
This is a ballpark figure but we're talking at least 30,000 instances, at one marina.
That's how it should be, Everytime?

Yeesh..no.

That's why I said APPROPRIATE escalation.

Your manager, unit head that's who youd report to.

Which is what Bubba did.

Well that's me, the manager. BUT if anyone brings that crap to my desk I won't take your advice because I have common sense.

I've already had to shut two people up because the mocking has already started at the shop. heard a few noose jokes today and it hasn't been 24 hours.

"Throw me a line"
"Noose or no noose?"
"Noose please"

Ya, this will be going on for awhile.

[Jimako10]

I didn't see "spike" anywhere in his statement, nor did I mention anything about "grand conspiracy" - that was some relatively nasty innuendo from you in relation to facts that you apparently don't like to read (so much so that you deleted it in your quote of my comment - not cool). So let me repeat the link to and direct and direct quote of the data source (with emphasis added on the most important part) - noting that politico's journalists didn't bother to check this issue and note the major caveat...

Here's the link (to a non-partisan cite): https://covidtracking.com/data

Then you scroll down to Florida and see the disclaimer (also on the Florida specific page that they have), which states:



The meaning of that is quite clear, and explains some unknown percentage of the increase in numbers out of Florida... namely:

(1) when a person tests positive they will 100% be given at one or more retests (and if they are at a hospital it's typically every day or two, until they get two negative tests in a row and are releasable, or pass away);

(2) per the statement, each one of those retests is published as a "new case" - even though it's not a new case of COVID but just a new positive test confirming an old case.

It's not a "conspiracy" to point out this defect in the data (which does make it basically garbage). It's a data quality issue. Calling a documented data quality issue a conspiracy doesn't make it one - it just discredits the person making that patently false assertion.

They don't retest everyday after your initial positive in the hospital, there's still a short supply of PCR tests nationwide and it would be a huge waste to test every day a patient is admitted in the hospital, not to mention that it makes zero sense to test everyday when you already know he's covid positive.

They test you in the beginning, and if your positive and you have symptoms, they treat you until your symptoms go away. After your symptoms are gone and other tests return to normal, they will retest for covid in order to get discharged, and usually that test will be negative. Sometimes you still do get a positive result, in which case the patient might stick around for a bit longer under observation, but generally those tests will be negative. It's rare and a waste of supplies/reagents to get someone tested more than 4-5 times in one hospital stay.

SOURCE: I'm a lab specialist for a hospital.

That isn't the experience of folks I know who tested positive (some who had relatives who went to the hospital re the same spreading incident, some of whom didn't make it). NYC metro area.

It's possible that the folks you talked to were confusing other tests being given that had similar collection techniques (MRSA, flu, etc). It's possible as well that those patients were transfers, in which case some hospitals require a retest. Otherwise, there's no clinical significance in retesting after they've tested positive on a near daily basis until the patient's symptoms have subsided. I do know that nursing home patients need a double negative in order to be discharged, and there are some cases where patients continue to show positive even after all their symptoms have subsided for several days or even weeks. Those tend to be the exceptions rather than the rule.

[musiqsoulchild]

Considering the industry I work with, dock lines (nooses) are literally everywhere.



Do you have the hotline for the FBI? I need to report about 35 years worth of Racism pronto.
This is a ballpark figure but we're talking at least 30,000 instances, at one marina.
That's how it should be, Everytime?

Yeesh..no.

That's why I said APPROPRIATE escalation.

Your manager, unit head that's who youd report to.

Which is what Bubba did.

Well that's me, the manager. BUT if anyone brings that crap to my desk I won't take your advice because I have common sense.

I've already had to shut two people up because the mocking has already started at the shop. heard a few noose jokes today and it hasn't been 24 hours.

"Throw me a line"
"Noose or no noose?"
"Noose please"

Ya, this will be going on for awhile.

Then you're going the way of the GM plant in Lordstown.

You need to escalate this to your boss. And to HR if you have reports.

There are several million people unemployed. You can do better than that.

[coldfish]

Yeesh..no.

That's why I said APPROPRIATE escalation.

Your manager, unit head that's who youd report to.

Which is what Bubba did.

Well that's me, the manager. BUT if anyone brings that crap to my desk I won't take your advice because I have common sense.

I've already had to shut two people up because the mocking has already started at the shop. heard a few noose jokes today and it hasn't been 24 hours.

"Throw me a line"
"Noose or no noose?"
"Noose please"

Ya, this will be going on for awhile.

Then you're going the way of the GM plant in Lordstown.

You need to escalate this to your boss. And to HR if you have reports.

There are several million people unemployed. You can do better than that.

If you replace experienced employees for that level of behavior, you are definitely going out of business.

As a side note, its dam near impossible to hire people right now. With the $600 per week unemployment adder from the feds, virtually everyone who is laid off would prefer to keep it that way. Will be interesting economically when that ends.

[Dresden]

Well that's me, the manager. BUT if anyone brings that crap to my desk I won't take your advice because I have common sense.

I've already had to shut two people up because the mocking has already started at the shop. heard a few noose jokes today and it hasn't been 24 hours.

"Throw me a line"
"Noose or no noose?"
"Noose please"

Ya, this will be going on for awhile.

Then you're going the way of the GM plant in Lordstown.

You need to escalate this to your boss. And to HR if you have reports.

There are several million people unemployed. You can do better than that.

If you replace experienced employees for that level of behavior, you are definitely going out of business.

As a side note, its dam near impossible to hire people right now. With the $600 per week unemployment adder from the feds, virtually everyone who is laid off would prefer to keep it that way. Will be interesting economically when that ends.

It depends on how much they make, doesn't it? My understanding is that with what unemployment pays, you'll only make more staying home if you earned less than around $15/hr.

[Ccwatercraft]

Yeesh..no.

That's why I said APPROPRIATE escalation.

Your manager, unit head that's who youd report to.

Which is what Bubba did.

Well that's me, the manager. BUT if anyone brings that crap to my desk I won't take your advice because I have common sense.

I've already had to shut two people up because the mocking has already started at the shop. heard a few noose jokes today and it hasn't been 24 hours.

"Throw me a line"
"Noose or no noose?"
"Noose please"

Ya, this will be going on for awhile.

Then you're going the way of the GM plant in Lordstown.

You need to escalate this to your boss. And to HR if you have reports.

There are several million people unemployed. You can do better than that.

Hahah, I sure as hell cant, it takes years to learn my trade, Diverse & Qualified people with thick skins are mandatory.

BTW, don't make the assumption that that are white pranksters having some fun at bubba's expense. That would be a mistake, we dont have a problem calling out bs when we see it.

I just need them to keep the joking away from customers, just in case we come across one of those sensitive types.

Anyway, not a noose, probably a standard bowline knot, I can tie one blindfolded and drunk.

I'm moving on, feel free to have the last word, were not even close to being on the same page.

[GetBuLLish]

9 out of the first 10 people made aware of this likely knew it was a huge mistake, but there is no way in hell they were going to put their job on the line by pointing out that it was even a slight possibility.
Then they went home to talk to their spouse.

"holy crap, nascar is all over the news, whats the story on the noose?"
"(unplugs alexa) "don't repeat this to anyone, but it was just a piece of string"
"seriously? what did you say?"
"nothing, absolutely nothing, Its a bad time to be unemployed"
"so what did you do"
"I did what I was told, and called the FBI"

This is almost certainly what happened.

The evidence has become overwhelming that we are in a full throat moral panic. Riots, tearing down statutes, firing/cancelling people for utterly benign behavior, attempting to find racism in every single nook and cranny of human life, advocating absolutely insane policies like eliminating police, etc. The radical left is in the process of completely overtaking the democratic party, and I can't help but notice that it has become a cult-like movement with no toleration for even the most minimal of dissent.

I'm hoping moderate liberals can push back on this insanity, but it seems like a lost cause at this point.

[DASMACKDOWN]

It is kinda worrysome these basketball players are picking up Covid. We are a over a month out but its still a concern.

I feel like instead of someone getting Covid in the bubble, there will be an incident that a player totally cant handle the bubble and just leaves and doesn't return.

[Bulls69]

The Dem candidate should beat Trump without any resistance given the current pandemic catastrophe and racial injustice. I just don’t think Biden has the physical strength to make it through Trumps relentless attacks. He looks very fragile and in significant decline. Kinda like a 37yr old NBA player way past his prime being asked to play 40mpg and carry the team. Lots of my friends of color that have voted Dem their whole life have said they won’t vote for him nor Trump. Sad all around.

People need to see if Biden on the stage actually go up against Trump here. No doubt Biden looks weak but it's his mind that trails off and that's the key issue with him. You don't see that with Bernie or Bloomberg who are the same age as Biden. He'll be 82 in 2024. Even if he wins good chance he will not be able to go a 2nd term here. Does he step down or does he try to go up for re-election?

Overall this is the weakest group of candidates for president that I can recall in sometime.[/quo

I see Trump as grossly overweight and as compulsive liar that whats scares me Biden will be find.

[Chi town]

It is kinda worrysome these basketball players are picking up Covid. We are a over a month out but its still a concern.

I feel like instead of someone getting Covid in the bubble, there will be an incident that a player totally cant handle the bubble and just leaves and doesn't return.

I think you will see plenty of guys bailing once they hit the wall in the bubble.