2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2

[PlayerUp]

Good points. All of the flaws keep on making me come back to vassell. He's as close to a guaranteed elite role player prospect as you can get.

Gamble Pick = Anthony Edwards = Only Clear #1 Option Ceiling Prospect In This Draft

Safest Picks = James Wiseman, Onyeka Okongwu, Devin Vassell, Tyrese Haliburton = At Least They'll Be Serviceable Role Players

Potential Gem Picks = Tyrell Terry (shooting), Kira Lewis (speed/dynamic scoring), Aaron Nesmith (shooting)

Major Flaws In Game / High Bust Potential = LaMelo Ball, Deni Avdija, Killian Hayes, Obi Toppin, Isaac Okoro, RJ Hampton, Cole Anthony

That's how I would currently rank these projected lottery picks

[Chicagoat]

Drafting the safest player isn't always the best idea. There's still a good chance of them busting due to their flaws never allowing them to meet their advertised floor. Or being too injury prone to develop a rhythm and grow as a player.

You're always better off taking the riskier prospect with the higher ceiling. we're not gonna pick as high as 4th again in awhile. Why not just take the BPA and get it over with? I mean we could trade down and gather assets. But with this draft being the way it is, everyone else is trying to trade down. Making this market too competitive to find a good deal for the sellers.



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[Jvaughn]

Wow Wiseman at 9 dropping like a rock ?

I don't see what would've changed to make that big of a difference. Unless he's refusing to workout for teams, I don't see him dropping past at the very worst.

DESHAWN STEVENSON FTW!!!

Ugh. That comparison still haunts my dreams on a weekly basis. Smh

[JohnnyTapwater]

Hey guys, Skylar Mays looks like a less athletic Deron Williams. I like this kid. Check him out.

[SfBull]

Updated Mock
#1Deni
#4 Ball(Hopefully not.I don´t want him).
Interesting player comparisons
Deni:Hedu,Granger
Ball:Jason Williams
https://nbadraftroom.com/p/2020-nba-mock-draft/

[JohnnyTapwater]

Here are the list of non NCAA prospects who went in the lottery since 2010.

Enes Kanter
Jonas Valanciunas
Jan Vesely
Bismack Biyombo
Dario Saric
Dante Exum
Mario Hezonja
Emmanuel Mudiay
Kristaps Porziņgis
Dragan Bender
Thon Maker (HS)
Georgios Papagiannis
Frank Ntilikina
Luka Doncic
Sekou Doumbouya

15 total prospects
1 superstar
1 potential star
Couple role players
9-10 busts

The overwhelming amount of Bulls fans want Deni or Hayes. Neither Deni or Hayes performed at high levels overseas. Against tougher competition they actually struggled. The difference between Deni/Hayes and Porzingis/Doncic is that Porzingis/Doncic were actually performing at a high level overseas against strong competition before coming to the NBA. AK himself has taken an enormous amount of international prospects in Denver and only 1 turned out to be a success. Maybe Deni and/or Hayes could turn out to be a success but they're a risk and statistically NCAA prospects turn out to have a better success rate in the NBA.

This is compelling as hell.

[SfBull]

2021 Mock Draft
https://nbadraftroom.com/p/2021-nba-mock-draft/

[Almost Retired]

2021 Mock Draft
https://nbadraftroom.com/p/2021-nba-mock-draft/

Wow, next years projected Draft is heavy with potential top quality wings. So if we draft one this year and he doesn't live up to expectations we can grab another one next year. OPJ will be gone and off the books. We can't afford him. It has been a position of need for us for years except for the relatively few games we got from a healthy OPJ. It would be nice to have several top quality wings with varying skill sets. So I hope Deni falls to us. He's got a different game than most of the other wings. And his potential skill set opens up lots of lineup possibilities. But my gut says he's going earlier than #4.

[SfBull]

2021 Mock Draft
https://nbadraftroom.com/p/2021-nba-mock-draft/

Wow, next years projected Draft is heavy with potential top quality wings. So if we draft one this year and he doesn't live up to expectations we can grab another one next year. OPJ will be gone and off the books. We can't afford him. It has been a position of need for us for years except for the relatively few games we got from a healthy OPJ. It would be nice to have several top quality wings with varying skill sets. So I hope Deni falls to us. He's got a different game than most of the other wings. And his potential skill set opens up lots of lineup possibilities. But my gut says he's going earlier than #4.

This mock makes me think about bringing back Boylen for a whole tanking season.Obviously we'd end drafting#7.

[JohnnyTapwater]

2021 Mock Draft
https://nbadraftroom.com/p/2021-nba-mock-draft/

Wings galore !

Geez ...

[sco]

Good points. All of the flaws keep on making me come back to vassell. He's as close to a guaranteed elite role player prospect as you can get.

Gamble Pick = Anthony Edwards = Only Clear #1 Option Ceiling Prospect In This Draft

Safest Picks = James Wiseman, Onyeka Okongwu, Devin Vassell, Tyrese Haliburton = At Least They'll Be Serviceable Role Players

Potential Gem Picks = Tyrell Terry (shooting), Kira Lewis (speed/dynamic scoring), Aaron Nesmith (shooting)

Major Flaws In Game / High Bust Potential = LaMelo Ball, Deni Avdija, Killian Hayes, Obi Toppin, Isaac Okoro, RJ Hampton, Cole Anthony

That's how I would currently rank these projected lottery picks

I don't see how Edwards is more of a gamble than Wiseman (who has played minimal college ball) or Deni (who hasn't played well against top-level competition).

[TheStig]

Good points. All of the flaws keep on making me come back to vassell. He's as close to a guaranteed elite role player prospect as you can get.

Gamble Pick = Anthony Edwards = Only Clear #1 Option Ceiling Prospect In This Draft

Safest Picks = James Wiseman, Onyeka Okongwu, Devin Vassell, Tyrese Haliburton = At Least They'll Be Serviceable Role Players

Potential Gem Picks = Tyrell Terry (shooting), Kira Lewis (speed/dynamic scoring), Aaron Nesmith (shooting)

Major Flaws In Game / High Bust Potential = LaMelo Ball, Deni Avdija, Killian Hayes, Obi Toppin, Isaac Okoro, RJ Hampton, Cole Anthony

That's how I would currently rank these projected lottery picks

I'm leaning toward Wiseman or Edwards or trading down. I think Wiseman can develop a 3 and be an excellent 3 and D and athletic beast C.

[RedBulls23]

We did a new draft pod with Richard Stayman from MavsDraft so I figured I'd post it in here as well.

Have a listen at the links below. Hope you guys enjoy it.

Apple: https://apple.co/3o9fBxl
Spotify: https://spoti.fi/34dpthN

[PlayerUp]

Good points. All of the flaws keep on making me come back to vassell. He's as close to a guaranteed elite role player prospect as you can get.

Gamble Pick = Anthony Edwards = Only Clear #1 Option Ceiling Prospect In This Draft

Safest Picks = James Wiseman, Onyeka Okongwu, Devin Vassell, Tyrese Haliburton = At Least They'll Be Serviceable Role Players

Potential Gem Picks = Tyrell Terry (shooting), Kira Lewis (speed/dynamic scoring), Aaron Nesmith (shooting)

Major Flaws In Game / High Bust Potential = LaMelo Ball, Deni Avdija, Killian Hayes, Obi Toppin, Isaac Okoro, RJ Hampton, Cole Anthony

That's how I would currently rank these projected lottery picks

I'm leaning toward Wiseman or Edwards or trading down. I think Wiseman can develop a 3 and be an excellent 3 and D and athletic beast C.

Those are probably my #1 and #2 as well just on pure upside. Wiseman jump shot looks pretty solid and you would think he can extend his range later on.

[Andi Obst]

Good points. All of the flaws keep on making me come back to vassell. He's as close to a guaranteed elite role player prospect as you can get.

Gamble Pick = Anthony Edwards = Only Clear #1 Option Ceiling Prospect In This Draft

Safest Picks = James Wiseman, Onyeka Okongwu, Devin Vassell, Tyrese Haliburton = At Least They'll Be Serviceable Role Players

Potential Gem Picks = Tyrell Terry (shooting), Kira Lewis (speed/dynamic scoring), Aaron Nesmith (shooting)

Major Flaws In Game / High Bust Potential = LaMelo Ball, Deni Avdija, Killian Hayes, Obi Toppin, Isaac Okoro, RJ Hampton, Cole Anthony

That's how I would currently rank these projected lottery picks

The lists just feel super random to me. Almost everyone belongs on the major flaws list for example, which is the problem with this class. This basically indicates that Aaron Nesmith, for example, doesn't have major flaws when he basically shoots catch and shoot jumpers and that's it. That seems like a major flaw. No way I would describe Wiseman as safe, but we already talked about that.

[Andi Obst]

The difference between Deni/Hayes and Porzingis/Doncic is that Porzingis/Doncic were actually performing at a high level overseas against strong competition before coming to the NBA.

I don't see what makes Porzingis' performances in Spain more impressive than what Hayes did in Germany this season. The Spanish league is better, sure, but Hayes played the most important role on the team and delivered. Both played in the EuroCup as well.

[mg]

I believe Wiseman's floor is a Whiteside/Mitchell Robinson rim protecting roleplayer but his ceiling is immense even if it's a small chance he reaches it. This is why I personally would trade WCJ +4 for Wiseman. At worst it's basically swapping out one roleplaying big for another who will have 2 additional years on his rookie deal. At least Wiseman has some star potential which I dont see with WCJ.

[TheSuzerain]

I believe Wiseman's floor is a Whiteside/Mitchell Robinson rim protecting roleplayer but his ceiling is immense even if it's a small chance he reaches it. This is why I personally would trade WCJ +4 for Wiseman. At worst it's basically swapping out one roleplaying big for another who will have 2 additional years on his rookie deal. At least Wiseman has some star potential which I dont see with WCJ.

What do you think Wiseman's ceiling looks like?

[sco]

I believe Wiseman's floor is a Whiteside/Mitchell Robinson rim protecting roleplayer but his ceiling is immense even if it's a small chance he reaches it. This is why I personally would trade WCJ +4 for Wiseman. At worst it's basically swapping out one roleplaying big for another who will have 2 additional years on his rookie deal. At least Wiseman has some star potential which I dont see with WCJ.

I'm sorta meh on WCj, but I just see a Kwame Brown level mistake taking Wiseman. Bigs have become less valuable in the league. IMO, there are always going to be reasonably-priced starting talent-level C's in FA, where other positions don't have the same availability of talent.

[cjbulls]

I believe Wiseman's floor is a Whiteside/Mitchell Robinson rim protecting roleplayer but his ceiling is immense even if it's a small chance he reaches it. This is why I personally would trade WCJ +4 for Wiseman. At worst it's basically swapping out one roleplaying big for another who will have 2 additional years on his rookie deal. At least Wiseman has some star potential which I dont see with WCJ.

I'm sorta meh on WCj, but I just see a Kwame Brown level mistake taking Wiseman. Bigs have become less valuable in the league. IMO, there are always going to be reasonably-priced starting talent-level C's in FA, where other positions don't have the same availability of talent.

3 of the top 5ish centers were featured on 3 of the 4 conference finals teams this year. If everyone else is only getting a reasonable starting center, or an undersized center, that seems like an opportunity to exploit.

Of course it depends what you think of Wisemans ability to significantly outperform that average level, which remains an open question.