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Re: Bulls Might Now Be More Likely To Trade Luol Deng 

Post#181 » by MGB8 » Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:58 am

If Rose is going to be out more than a month, given rust issues, the season is lost. Given that, moving Deng is the best option. The question is to whom and for what.

I could see the Wizards, Cavs, Pelicans, Bucks, Pistons, Lakers, Kings and maybe Rockets (as a stretch 4), Knicks or Mavericks being interested.

But what could be gotten in return of value?
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Re: Bulls Might Now Be More Likely To Trade Luol Deng 

Post#182 » by sicko » Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:11 am

Deng is Sean Elliot all over again, he is really more of a 3rd Options but the Bulls needed him to be a 2nd Options but he is just not that type of player.

Solid All Star Player, good defender but you don't win championships with Deng trying to be your #2 Guy. He Can't create his own shot, he can barely dribble, he never developed a Post Up Game so he is no threat offensively because you know all he is going to do is shoot mid range jump shots. When his shot is falling he is a beast but when he is off he gives you NOTHING OFFENSIVELY all he does is give the ball back to Rose

Bulls need to FIRE Gar Paxson and John Paxson, these guys like MEDIOCRE PLAYERS like Hinrich and Dunleavy and the overvalue the hell out of them.
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Re: Bulls Might Now Be More Likely To Trade Luol Deng 

Post#183 » by MrFortune3 » Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:12 am

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MrFortune3 wrote:Unless you plan to tank the season there is no reason to move Deng. You have passed up moving him for 2-3 years now when you could have netted a top 5-10 pick for him and selected a younger player.


Difference is we were in win now mode. Now, not so much.


Is it different though? The front office believes they can win. I am hesitant to believe the Bulls would let a piece go at this point. There were better opportunities to move Deng in the past and I can't believe they would do so now unless they have finally had the light click on.
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Re: Bulls Might Now Be More Likely To Trade Luol Deng 

Post#184 » by kuly1990 » Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:14 am

yeah Kirk and Mike our problem, they are both great players for their contracts, main problem is Boozer who is a decent player, but not for his contract!
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Re: Bulls Might Now Be More Likely To Trade Luol Deng 

Post#185 » by GoBlue72391 » Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:28 am

sicko wrote:Deng is Sean Elliot all over again, he is really more of a 3rd Options but the Bulls needed him to be a 2nd Options but he is just not that type of player.

Solid All Star Player, good defender but you don't win championships with Deng trying to be your #2 Guy. He Can't create his own shot, he can barely dribble, he never developed a Post Up Game so he is no threat offensively because you know all he is going to do is shoot mid range jump shots. When his shot is falling he is a beast but when he is off he gives you NOTHING OFFENSIVELY all he does is give the ball back to Rose

Bulls need to FIRE Gar Paxson and John Paxson, these guys like MEDIOCRE PLAYERS like Hinrich and Dunleavy and the overvalue the hell out of them.

All of that's hyperbole and exaggeration. To say that all he can do is shoot midrange jumpers is absolutely ridiculous.

He's excellent at moving without the ball, very good at driving and slashing to the basket, he's got a decent but inconsistent post game, and believe it or not he can score off of one or two dribbles.

In other words, he's a perfect third option.
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Re: Bulls Might Now Be More Likely To Trade Luol Deng 

Post#186 » by mymysql » Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:39 am

The more I think about it, there's no reason not to blow it up. I feel terrible for Derrick Rose but there's no point wasting time and money building around a guy who can't even play basketball. And F Reggie, complain all you want idiot, no one cares anymore. Let's see how Tom Thibodeau coaches a bunch of rookies. It sounds fun.
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Re: Bulls Might Now Be More Likely To Trade Luol Deng 

Post#187 » by Makaveli92 » Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:41 am

ChiefILL53 wrote:
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TheGameChanger wrote:Deng for Tyreke is interesting. I like it. A younger player who can handle the ball and has good size.

Looking at this next season. Hopefully we can get the Cats Pick this year and use it.

Rose - New PG - Teague
Tyreke - Snell
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Taj - Nikola - Murphy
Noah - New C


Before this season I wanted Deng for Evans, but i think NO wouldnt do it, so i would rather take Eric Gordon



You think NO moves gordon for deng and not evans for deng?


Im just assuming, because they signed him this off season to that large contract, so i'm guessing they dont want to trade him and they would rather trade Gordon. idk though. I would take Evans though.
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Re: Bulls Might Now Be More Likely To Trade Luol Deng 

Post#188 » by DJhitek » Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:45 am

Honestly, I don't think we can move Deng. I would let him expire unless I got another expiring in exchange and a pick.
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Re: Bulls Might Now Be More Likely To Trade Luol Deng 

Post#189 » by Red8911 » Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:48 am

Gar Paxdorf wrote:Deng for Tyreke is what we should go for IMO. Good for both teams IMO.

Ye i like him too,add aminu to the deal and its perfect,that guy plays very good,under thibs he will be like deng..Evans is actually what we need, a guy who can handle the ball and score at the 2..
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Re: Bulls Might Now Be More Likely To Trade Luol Deng 

Post#190 » by andyhop » Mon Nov 25, 2013 4:34 am

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THE GOAT ROSE wrote:We should tank anyway and get some picks.


Good reading for tankers, just so you know your odds. They aren't good.



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Re: Bulls Might Now Be More Likely To Trade Luol Deng 

Post#191 » by whodey » Mon Nov 25, 2013 4:54 am

Red8911 wrote:
Gar Paxdorf wrote:Deng for Tyreke is what we should go for IMO. Good for both teams IMO.

Ye i like him too,add aminu to the deal and its perfect,that guy plays very good,under thibs he will be like deng..Evans is actually what we need, a guy who can handle the ball and score at the 2..


Tyreke Evans hasn't been a scorer since his rookie year. I just don't get why so many folks want to lock in the next 4 years at 44 million on Evans. I like him at 4 yrs at $28-$32, but not at $44 million.
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Re: Bulls Might Now Be More Likely To Trade Luol Deng 

Post#192 » by Chi Dynasty12 » Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:22 am

Those of you saying Deng is untradeable are greatly underestimating his talent and value to a team looking to win now.

Something like:

Luol Deng (expiring)

for

Kidd-Gilchrist + Ben Gordon (expiring)

makes a lot of sense for both sides.
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Re: Bulls Might Now Be More Likely To Trade Luol Deng 

Post#193 » by AshyLarrysDiaper » Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:26 am

Chi Dynasty12 wrote:Those of you saying Deng is untradeable are greatly underestimating his talent and value to a team looking to win now.

Something like:

Luol Deng (expiring)

for

Kidd-Gilchrist + Ben Gordon (expiring)

makes a lot of sense for both sides.


CHA wants to compete, but they aren't in such a hurry to get better that they'd give up an asset like MKG for a couple months of Deng. That'd make no sense.
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Re: Bulls Might Now Be More Likely To Trade Luol Deng 

Post#194 » by singal3 » Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:27 am

Chi Dynasty12 wrote:Those of you saying Deng is untradeable are greatly underestimating his talent and value to a team looking to win now.

Something like:

Luol Deng (expiring)

for

Kidd-Gilchrist + Ben Gordon (expiring)

makes a lot of sense for both sides.


Can't see Charlotte giving up on MKG just yet and making Charlotte better worsens our pick (if they make the playoffs)
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Re: Bulls Might Now Be More Likely To Trade Luol Deng 

Post#195 » by kingkirk » Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:47 am

Chi Dynasty12 wrote:Those of you saying Deng is untradeable are greatly underestimating his talent and value to a team looking to win now.

Something like:

Luol Deng (expiring)

for

Kidd-Gilchrist + Ben Gordon (expiring)

makes a lot of sense for both sides.


That makes no sense.

Why give up on MKG, who is 20 and a former 2nd overall pick as well as Gordon who will expire for another guy who expires?

If Deng had years on his deal still left then maybe they do it because they are protected somewhat because of his deal, but here, it is likely to be a rental on which they lose out on a former 2nd overall pick.

It makes no sense.

None.
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Re: Bulls Might Now Be More Likely To Trade Luol Deng 

Post#196 » by TankJob » Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:52 am

Yes, no one is giving you high draft picks/talented players for a guy that's expiring.

That's why, THE NETS AND THE LAKERS. They spend money, don't value picks nor long term planning and Luol would be a huge improvement for their depleted teams. They would be all over him in a second.
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Re: Bulls Might Now Be More Likely To Trade Luol Deng 

Post#197 » by EastBayFJ » Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:53 am

Chi Dynasty12 wrote:Those of you saying Deng is untradeable are greatly underestimating his talent and value to a team looking to win now.

Something like:

Luol Deng (expiring)

for

Kidd-Gilchrist + Ben Gordon (expiring)

makes a lot of sense for both sides.



Not for us it doesn't

We don't want to make the Cats better until we get their pick
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Re: Bulls Might Now Be More Likely To Trade Luol Deng 

Post#198 » by DanTown8587 » Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:08 am

Deng for Bynum, Cavs first works for both sides incredibly well.

If the Cavs lotto protect the pick, they're is little downside to them: make the playoffs (yay!) or keep the pick. They also acquire Deng's bird rights so that if they strike out in FA, they can sign Deng and then still use the MLE.

The Bulls waive Bynum and it saves them a little under eight million in luxury tax (would have to sign a guy for the minimum to replace Bynum).

Then follow up with Dunleavy for Brewer, Aaron Brooks and you're out of the tax

Hinrich/Brooks/Teague/James
Butler/HInrich
Snell/Brewer
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Noah/Mohammed

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Post#199 » by Chi town » Mon Nov 25, 2013 7:11 am

DanTown8587 wrote:Deng for Bynum, Cavs first works for both sides incredibly well.

If the Cavs lotto protect the pick, they're is little downside to them: make the playoffs (yay!) or keep the pick. They also acquire Deng's bird rights so that if they strike out in FA, they can sign Deng and then still use the MLE.

The Bulls waive Bynum and it saves them a little under eight million in luxury tax (would have to sign a guy for the minimum to replace Bynum).

Then follow up with Dunleavy for Brewer, Aaron Brooks and you're out of the tax

Hinrich/Brooks/Teague/James
Butler/HInrich
Snell/Brewer
Boozer/Gibson/Murphy
Noah/Mohammed

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Good thinking on MDJ. I think he will stay though. I think Kirk may get shipped with Deng.
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Post#200 » by HomoSapien » Mon Nov 25, 2013 8:30 am

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Chi Dynasty12 wrote:Those of you saying Deng is untradeable are greatly underestimating his talent and value to a team looking to win now.

Something like:

Luol Deng (expiring)

for

Kidd-Gilchrist + Ben Gordon (expiring)

makes a lot of sense for both sides.


That makes no sense.

Why give up on MKG, who is 20 and a former 2nd overall pick as well as Gordon who will expire for another guy who expires?

If Deng had years on his deal still left then maybe they do it because they are protected somewhat because of his deal, but here, it is likely to be a rental on which they lose out on a former 2nd overall pick.

It makes no sense.

None.


I think this is a big exaggeration. Deng is coming off of two straight All-Star appearances. The Bobcats on the other hand are really trying to establish some sort of winning atmosphere. Gilchrist, hasn't really done much so far either.
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