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Bulls looking at No. 8 with McDermott

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Re: Bulls looking at No. 8 with McDermott 

Post#181 » by RyGuy24 » Tue Jun 24, 2014 12:49 am

The Sacramento Kings are fielding offers from three teams for the No. 8 pick in Thursday's NBA draft, sources with direct knowledge told ESPN Monday.

Sources said the Kings have two deals that could be done prior to Thursday's 2 p.m. trade deadline to change the draft order and one would be a draft night deal, depending on which players are available when the Kings select.

The three deals would return multiple draft picks and a veteran player to the Kings for the No. 8 pick.

Sources wouldn't reveal the three teams involved in the negotiations yet, but the source said the discussions are more than talk now and the Kings are weighing the offers against the potential four players who the Kings think will be available at No. 8, depending on what occurs in front of them in the lottery.

The Kings have had multiple offers for the No. 8 pick but have settled on these three possible deals.

http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2014/story/ ... -no-8-pick
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Re: Bulls looking at No. 8 with McDermott 

Post#182 » by TheSuzerain » Tue Jun 24, 2014 12:51 am

McDermott > Gary Harris

Don't really want Harris.
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Re: Bulls looking at No. 8 with McDermott 

Post#183 » by Ice the knees » Tue Jun 24, 2014 12:53 am

RyGuy24 wrote:
The Sacramento Kings are fielding offers from three teams for the No. 8 pick in Thursday's NBA draft, sources with direct knowledge told ESPN Monday.

Sources said the Kings have two deals that could be done prior to Thursday's 2 p.m. trade deadline to change the draft order and one would be a draft night deal, depending on which players are available when the Kings select.

The three deals would return multiple draft picks and a veteran player to the Kings for the No. 8 pick.

Sources wouldn't reveal the three teams involved in the negotiations yet, but the source said the discussions are more than talk now and the Kings are weighing the offers against the potential four players who the Kings think will be available at No. 8, depending on what occurs in front of them in the lottery.

The Kings have had multiple offers for the No. 8 pick but have settled on these three possible deals.

http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2014/story/ ... -no-8-pick


I guess it depends on how competitive the Bulls want to be. I have to imagine if the bulls wanted the pick they could be one of those two teams.
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Re: Bulls looking at No. 8 with McDermott 

Post#184 » by Magilla_Gorilla » Tue Jun 24, 2014 12:53 am

TheSuzerain wrote:McDermott > Gary Harris

Don't really want Harris.


Yeah - I don't want to trade up to 8 to grab Harris. I'd rather stay at 16.
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Re: Bulls looking at No. 8 with McDermott 

Post#185 » by Droseisthe1 » Tue Jun 24, 2014 12:58 am

AirGordon7 wrote:
Droseisthe1 wrote:I see McDermott as a Channing Frye type. Can spread you out but with the right matchup, can take advantage inside. Not much defensively.


But McDermott's rebounding is intriguing to me. If that translates, then that's a whole different story.


he'll spread us out eh? Image



Meaning that McDermott can bring a defender up to the 3point line...
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Re: Bulls looking at No. 8 with McDermott 

Post#186 » by Leslie Forman » Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:01 am

DuckIII wrote:Just putting it out there: This board thinks any big white guy lacking a sick behind the back crossover is going to be a bust. It has been that way every draft for the 10+ years I've been here. Its boring.

Every single white American perimeter player drafted in the last ten years (i.e. the Posthinrichian Era):

Luke Jackson
Blake Stepp
Travis Diener
Adam Morrison
JJ Redick (eventually became a decent player)
Steve Novak
Adam Haluska
Jared Jordan
Joe Alexander
Chase Budinger (a decent rotation player for a while there)
Nick Calathes
Gordon Hayward (mediocre starter)
Luke Babbitt
Andy Rautins
Jimmer Fredette
Kyle Singler
Chandler Parsons (Hey! He's pretty damn good!)
Robbie Hummel
Nate Wolters

I absolutely hate McDermott as a prospect and it has nothing to do with him being white. However, if someone were to say that they simply don't want to draft a white American wing player that high…I ain't gonna argue. It is a risky proposition that seems to have little correlation with draft position.
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Re: Bulls looking at No. 8 with McDermott 

Post#187 » by singal3 » Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:02 am

Julius Randle or bust.
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Re: Bulls looking at No. 8 with McDermott 

Post#188 » by DuckIII » Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:14 am

tong po wrote:However, if someone were to say that they simply don't want to draft a white American wing player that high…I ain't gonna argue.


I will. Because its not a basketball reason. Its a trend reason. A perception reason. You evaluate individuals. Its little less arbitrary and idiotic as saying that you shouldn't "draft players from Duke."
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Re: Bulls looking at No. 8 with McDermott 

Post#189 » by greenl » Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:17 am

singal3 wrote:Julius Randle will bust.


Fixed it for you
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Re: Bulls looking at No. 8 with McDermott 

Post#190 » by bad knees » Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:19 am

RyGuy24 wrote:
The Sacramento Kings are fielding offers from three teams for the No. 8 pick in Thursday's NBA draft, sources with direct knowledge told ESPN Monday.

Sources said the Kings have two deals that could be done prior to Thursday's 2 p.m. trade deadline to change the draft order and one would be a draft night deal, depending on which players are available when the Kings select.

The three deals would return multiple draft picks and a veteran player to the Kings for the No. 8 pick.

Sources wouldn't reveal the three teams involved in the negotiations yet, but the source said the discussions are more than talk now and the Kings are weighing the offers against the potential four players who the Kings think will be available at No. 8, depending on what occurs in front of them in the lottery.

The Kings have had multiple offers for the No. 8 pick but have settled on these three possible deals.

http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2014/story/ ... -no-8-pick


So this article says that all three of the deals that the Kings are considering include multiple draft picks and a veteran player. This suggests that the Bulls' offer includes Taj, and is not just picks only. Really don't want to trade Taj and picks for McDermott. I don't get it at all.
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Re: Bulls looking at No. 8 with McDermott 

Post#191 » by TeK » Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:19 am

Let's coerce Wally Szczerbiak out of retirement.

But no, McDRMT or Stuaskas for the win!
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Re: Bulls looking at No. 8 with McDermott 

Post#192 » by bearadonisdna » Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:23 am

tong po wrote:
DuckIII wrote:Just putting it out there: This board thinks any big white guy lacking a sick behind the back crossover is going to be a bust. It has been that way every draft for the 10+ years I've been here. Its boring.

Every single white American perimeter player drafted in the last ten years (i.e. the Posthinrichian Era):

Luke Jackson
Blake Stepp
Travis Diener
Adam Morrison
JJ Redick (eventually became a decent player)
Steve Novak
Adam Haluska
Jared Jordan
Joe Alexander
Chase Budinger (a decent rotation player for a while there)
Nick Calathes
Gordon Hayward (mediocre starter)
Luke Babbitt
Andy Rautins
Jimmer Fredette
Kyle Singler
Chandler Parsons (Hey! He's pretty damn good!)
Robbie Hummel
Nate Wolters

I absolutely hate McDermott as a prospect and it has nothing to do with him being white. However, if someone were to say that they simply don't want to draft a white American wing player that high…I ain't gonna argue. It is a risky proposition that seems to have little correlation with draft position.


U obviously forgot kevin love.
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Re: Bulls looking at No. 8 with McDermott 

Post#193 » by DuckIII » Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:24 am

bad knees wrote:So this article says that all three of the deals that the Kings are considering include multiple draft picks and a veteran player. This suggests that the Bulls' offer includes Taj, and is not just picks only. Really don't want to trade Taj and picks for McDermott. I don't get it at all.


Is Taj the Bulls only veteran? Butler makes a lot of sense for them as well. Unless the Bulls are getting a lot more back than the 8th pick, and I mean good things, there is no way Taj is included in this deal.

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Re: Bulls looking at No. 8 with McDermott 

Post#194 » by mmmmmbeeer » Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:28 am

Doesn't this signal that the Bulls have received clear direction from PJax that NY is not interested in a S&T for Melo? Everything I've read says that Phil is desperate for picks in this draft....the Bulls have two....if the Bulls trade them away for a higher pick and have someone targeted that the Bulls want, I've got to think the S&T is off the table.

This also conflicts with the reports of our offer to MIN for Love.

My head is seriously spinning in circles trying to keep up with all of this.
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Re: Bulls looking at No. 8 with McDermott 

Post#195 » by red222 » Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:28 am

DuckIII wrote:
bad knees wrote:So this article says that all three of the deals that the Kings are considering include multiple draft picks and a veteran player. This suggests that the Bulls' offer includes Taj, and is not just picks only. Really don't want to trade Taj and picks for McDermott. I don't get it at all.


Is Taj the Bulls only veteran? Butler makes a lot of sense for them as well. Unless the Bulls are getting a lot more back than the 8th pick, and I mean good things, there is no way Taj is included in this deal.

Wager? Yes. If I am wrong, the board can create 5 potential usernames and vote on which one I have to use up to January 1, 2015.

Someone bookmark it. Because I sure won't.

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Re: Bulls looking at No. 8 with McDermott 

Post#196 » by Shill » Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:31 am

bearadonisdna wrote:
tong po wrote:
DuckIII wrote:Just putting it out there: This board thinks any big white guy lacking a sick behind the back crossover is going to be a bust. It has been that way every draft for the 10+ years I've been here. Its boring.

Every single white American perimeter player drafted in the last ten years (i.e. the Posthinrichian Era):

Luke Jackson
Blake Stepp
Travis Diener
Adam Morrison
JJ Redick (eventually became a decent player)
Steve Novak
Adam Haluska
Jared Jordan
Joe Alexander
Chase Budinger (a decent rotation player for a while there)
Nick Calathes
Gordon Hayward (mediocre starter)
Luke Babbitt
Andy Rautins
Jimmer Fredette
Kyle Singler
Chandler Parsons (Hey! He's pretty damn good!)
Robbie Hummel
Nate Wolters

I absolutely hate McDermott as a prospect and it has nothing to do with him being white. However, if someone were to say that they simply don't want to draft a white American wing player that high…I ain't gonna argue. It is a risky proposition that seems to have little correlation with draft position.


U obviously forgot kevin love.



Love isn't a perimeter player.
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Re: Bulls looking at No. 8 with McDermott 

Post#197 » by bad knees » Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:31 am

DuckIII wrote:
bad knees wrote:So this article says that all three of the deals that the Kings are considering include multiple draft picks and a veteran player. This suggests that the Bulls' offer includes Taj, and is not just picks only. Really don't want to trade Taj and picks for McDermott. I don't get it at all.


Is Taj the Bulls only veteran? Butler makes a lot of sense for them as well. Unless the Bulls are getting a lot more back than the 8th pick, and I mean good things, there is no way Taj is included in this deal.

Wager? Yes. If I am wrong, the board can create 5 potential usernames and vote on which one I have to use up to January 1, 2015.

Someone bookmark it. Because I sure won't.


ESPN lists the Kings starters as follow:

SG - McLemore
SF - Gay
PF - Derrick Williams

Which position do you think the Kings might be interested in upgrading?
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Re: Bulls looking at No. 8 with McDermott 

Post#198 » by kyrv » Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:33 am

DuckIII wrote:
AirGordon7 wrote:hopefully this is a smoke screen if they were to trade up

if they take doug @ 8 its clear their drafting is overrated...and if the only thing they are supposedly good at is overrated then its time to part ways


Pax drafted . . . Ben Gordon.


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Post#199 » by HomoSapien » Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:33 am

DuckIII wrote:
bad knees wrote:So this article says that all three of the deals that the Kings are considering include multiple draft picks and a veteran player. This suggests that the Bulls' offer includes Taj, and is not just picks only. Really don't want to trade Taj and picks for McDermott. I don't get it at all.


Is Taj the Bulls only veteran? Butler makes a lot of sense for them as well. Unless the Bulls are getting a lot more back than the 8th pick, and I mean good things, there is no way Taj is included in this deal.

Wager? Yes. If I am wrong, the board can create 5 potential usernames and vote on which one I have to use up to January 1, 2015.

Someone bookmark it. Because I sure won't.


Could also be Dunleavy and picks.
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Re: Bulls looking at No. 8 with McDermott 

Post#200 » by nomorezorro » Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:33 am

i really like mcbuckets, and i think trading up for a single guy with a guaranteed nba skill is probably a good move in the bulls position. he might not be my favorite guy at 8 (i was on stauskas early and was really mad when his stock started rising way out of our range), but he'd be up there. getting a cheapish quality role player is probably more prudent than taking a bigger risk on a higher upside player, at this point.

i also don't think that there's any concern about wasting assets for a melo s&t by doing this trade. am i the only one who's thought that 'pick two people that the knicks probably like at 16 and 19, so you can maybe trade them if you have to' was an insane line of thinking? like, has that ever in the history of time been a thing that's happened?

on the other hand, trading anyone on the roster that's better than, like, mike dunleavy so that you could draft mcdermott would clearly be an unmitigated disaster
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