Love #5: P. 88, Bulls 'moving on' from Love

Chicago-Bull-E · Post #181 » by **Chicago-Bull-E** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:40 pm

Chi town wrote:Our boy Broussard says Bulls have talked but have made no offer.

1. MIN wants Wiggins and Taj

2. Bulls want to screw CLE. Bulls hold all the leverage and can choose to stay out of the trade.

3. This is what I see happening:

MIN gets Taj Wiggins Thompson Waiters

CHI gets Martin and Dieng

CLE gets Love and Barea

This is an interesting scenario where Martin has value to us, but is still someone Minnesota is trying to dump. Knowing that, we should squeeze everything we can from both Minnesota and Cleveland. That deal is pretty good for the Bulls, but no reason we shouldn't try and get more.

Concept Coop · Post #182 » by **Concept Coop** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:41 pm

waffle wrote:I still challenge, strongly, as to whether the bulls ever made that offer. It just doesn't sound right. Someone, I THINK it was Broussard said that he had heard nothing about such an offer.

SPECIFICALLY - Taj, Niko, McD

Multiple sources have confirmed an offer, and they seem to agree that Taj, and McD are part of it. I think we know that much, but not much else. I don't put much stock in what Broussard says, as he clearly hasn't been plugged in much thos off-season.

Ron Johnson · Post #183 » by **Ron Johnson** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:41 pm

waffle wrote:I still challenge, strongly, as to whether the bulls ever made that offer. It just doesn't sound right. Someone, I THINK it was Broussard said that he had heard nothing about such an offer.

SPECIFICALLY - Taj, Niko, McD

Totally agree. I don't think that's quite the offer. And in the end, I think the Minnesota owner vetoes our offer and opts for Wiggins' star potential because he can sell hope and have him for several years before he ends up leaving. With our offer they are a 35-win team who won't make the playoffs in the West, even though it makes their team better than one with Wiggins, who right now is all potential and not totally NBA ready.

Concept Coop · Post #184 » by **Concept Coop** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:42 pm

Chicago-Bull-E wrote:This is an interesting scenario where Martin has value to us, but is still someone Minnesota is trying to dump. Knowing that, we should squeeze everything we can from both Minnesota and Cleveland. That deal is pretty good for the Bulls, but no reason we shouldn't try and get more.

No doubt. We're not moving Taj for Martin, helping CLE in the process, without getting something for doing so. Dieng is not that.

What incentive do we have to do it, when we could simply cut out CLE? At the very least, a CLE 1st round pick would be coming our way, I'd guess.

waffle · Post #185 » by **waffle** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:43 pm

and multiple sources have said that they have heard nothing of such an offer.

Logically it just doesn't pass the smell test.

I consider it unlikely. However, what is being discussed above? Us as a facilitator? DOES pass both the smell and the finger test. TRUST THE FINGER

waffle · Post #186 » by **waffle** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:44 pm

I don't think we can cut out Clev. either because 1) we don't want Love at the price it would likely take or 2) (more likely) Love has expressed his preference to go to Clev.

Concept Coop · Post #187 » by **Concept Coop** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:45 pm

waffle wrote:and multiple sources have said that they have heard nothing of such an offer.

Logically it just doesn't pass the smell test.

I consider it unlikely. However, what is being discussed above? Us as a facilitator? DOES pass both the smell and the finger test. TRUST THE FINGER

Us helping CLE get Love passes the smell test? More so than us offering Taj, McD, Nikola? Or Taj, McD, Dunlevy, Snell, picks--or whatever it would take?

To me, the FO not being willing to make that deal would be a lot more hard to believe than the other way around. My personal opinion.

Pnjguy · Post #188 » by **Pnjguy** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:47 pm

You have to assume Cleveland is going to get Love with or without our involvement.

Concept Coop · Post #189 » by **Concept Coop** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:47 pm

waffle wrote:I don't think we can cut out Clev. either because 1) we don't want Love at the price it would likely take or 2) (more likely) Love has expressed his preference to go to Clev.

I mean cut out CLE, if our goal is Taj for Martin+. What incentive do we have to make that deal? One could argue Martin/Dieng for Taj is far, but NOT if it helps CLE get Love. That doesn't add up to me.

Krausenator · Post #190 » by **Krausenator** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:48 pm

Not that I generally listen to sources, SAS claims Love is forcing his way to CLE......

It's a good time to put our cards on the table, if we are indeed the 3rd team, and ship Taj to the Wolves while gutting CLE...

MrTwister · Post #191 » by **MrTwister** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:48 pm

Chicago-Bull-E wrote:
Chi town wrote:Our boy Broussard says Bulls have talked but have made no offer.

1. MIN wants Wiggins and Taj

2. Bulls want to screw CLE. Bulls hold all the leverage and can choose to stay out of the trade.

3. This is what I see happening:

MIN gets Taj Wiggins Thompson Waiters

CHI gets Martin and Dieng

CLE gets Love and Barea

This is an interesting scenario where Martin has value to us, but is still someone Minnesota is trying to dump. Knowing that, we should squeeze everything we can from both Minnesota and Cleveland. That deal is pretty good for the Bulls, but no reason we shouldn't try and get more.

Would you consider Martin+filler for Taj in separate deal if none of them end up being part of the trade for Love?

Also there is very slim to none chance that Minny will trade Dieng, they are high on him and see him as future starter he is part of their future.Also if they get Wiggins it wouldn't make sense for them to trade their young guys.

Ctownbulls · Post #192 » by **Ctownbulls** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:49 pm

Bulls aren't trading Taj for Dieng and Martin to help facilitate Love to Cleveland. Are people here crazy?

waffle · Post #193 » by **waffle** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:49 pm

Yup, that's what I think. I see your point but that trade just doesn't strike me as likely

I am pretty darn sure this season will start with McD and Niko on the team.

Magilla_Gorilla · Post #194 » by **Magilla_Gorilla** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:50 pm

Concept Coop wrote:
waffle wrote:I don't think we can cut out Clev. either because 1) we don't want Love at the price it would likely take or 2) (more likely) Love has expressed his preference to go to Clev.

I mean cut out CLE, if our goal is Taj for Martin+. What incentive do we have to make that deal? One could argue Martin/Dieng for Taj is far, but NOT if it helps CLE get Love. That doesn't add up to me.

The same incentive the Bulls would hopefully have to make any deal - to make the team better.

I don't necessarily agree that deal makes the Bulls better - but if the FO does I would hope they'd do it - regardless of who ends up in CLE. Bulls need to worry about making their own team better.

Indomitable · Post #195 » by **Indomitable** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:50 pm

nomorezorro wrote:do people who want to get involved as a third team in this trade have add or something? the only possible reason i can think of is that people see trade talks going on and want the bulls to be a part of them one way or another so they don't feel left out

'let's move our very good power forward for crappy wing pieces that are either being dumped as bad contracts or that are uninteresting to a team that is in need of talent at basically every position"

Waiter is a low iq type

Magilla_Gorilla · Post #196 » by **Magilla_Gorilla** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:51 pm

waffle wrote:Yup, that's what I think. I see your point but that trade just doesn't strike me as likely

I am pretty darn sure this season will start with McD and Niko on the team.

I agree. Its going to be fun watching the Bulls kick Cleveland's ass with Nikola and McDirty getting minutes.

biggestbullsfan · Post #197 » by **biggestbullsfan** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:52 pm

Personally, I dont think Niko was ever on the table. Bad PR move. And after investing soo much into the current back court, I dont see them spending even more to add a player that doesnt address our current needs any better.

Im sure we made an offer. Plenty offers. I dont think any involved Niko, Rose or Noah. Anyone else is on the table I would think.

Magilla_Gorilla · Post #198 » by **Magilla_Gorilla** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:54 pm

Ctownbulls wrote:Bulls aren't trading Taj for Dieng and Martin to help facilitate Love to Cleveland. Are people here crazy?

I agree the trade won't happen. But if it did it wouldn't be to facilitate Love to CLeveland, it would be to make the Bulls better.

Concept Coop · Post #199 » by **Concept Coop** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:54 pm

Magilla_Gorilla wrote:The same incentive the Bulls would hopefully have to make any deal - to make the team better.

I don't necessarily agree that deal makes the Bulls better - but if the FO does I would hope they'd do it - regardless of who ends up in CLE. Bulls need to worry about making their own team better.

We don't need Cleveland to trade Taj for Martin and Dieng, though. And as Martin is a dump for them, and Taj seems to be a target--MIN would have no leverage in suggesting we act as the third team or don't make the deal at all.

If the Bulls thought Taj for Martin/Dieng makes the team better--I don't see why that deal hasn't been made. We have to be getting something from Cleveland.

Concept Coop · Post #200 » by **Concept Coop** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:56 pm

biggestbullsfan wrote:Personally, I dont think Niko was ever on the table. Bad PR move.

This board makes up a very small minority of fans who even know who Nikola Mirotic is. I don't see PR being at risk, especially not when we've added a big name star in the process--that's what the common fan will care about.