OT: TMZ - Rose being sued/accused of drugging and gang raping former GF

GetBuLLish · Post #181 » by **GetBuLLish** » Thu Aug 27, 2015 11:43 am

Like I predicted, Rose's statement shows that she's been making money demands for some time. Rose denied them all.

The third lawyer thing indicates to me that the first two ended up wanting no part of this and walked away.

Post #182 » by **Michael Jackson** » Thu Aug 27, 2015 11:46 am

ralphisBullsFan wrote:I think I know the whole story just by hearing her comments and rose's lawyers response....She was his side piece for awhile she was a freak and rose broke it off slowly and by the time she realized he was done with her for good, she made all this crap up looking for a pay day and revenge...."3 years ago him and his friends drugged me at his house but i escaped made it all the way back to my apartment (never called the police during this time or text a friend) went to bed like everything was normal and then they broke in and ran a train and now I have decided to sue for damages" that story has more holes in it then swizz cheese

I really hope you aren't basing too much off a defense lawyers statement.

bulliedog8 · Post #183 » by **bulliedog8** » Thu Aug 27, 2015 12:04 pm

TimRobbins wrote:
RSP83 wrote:I have a hard time believing this. Not because I can't see Rose doing it, but I just don't think Rose is that dumb. But maybe I'm wrong.

He was dumb enough to associate with her to begin with, wasn't he? I doubt the entire thing is 100% fabrication. Something happened that night. It's just another red flag around this guy, along with the previous ones.

I hope he's gone soon. I'm not a fan of his current game, I'm not a fan of his personality and I'm not a fan of his character. Bulls need to move on from him.

Suspended, but will respond to this anyways.

We really gonna act like girls have never changed or gone crazy after breakups? Heck, even same with dudes. For all you know, this girl was a great girl at first. Him being associated with her has nothing to do with what type of person he is.

I love how much you hate rose. I wonder what he did to you that it is personal with you haha.

Proven_Winner · Post #184 » by **Proven_Winner** » Thu Aug 27, 2015 12:07 pm

To be honest it's hard to believe any rape accusations that's being made years later. You can say that she might've gotten hush money but if that's the case then she doesn't deserve to complain.

Proven_Winner · Post #185 » by **Proven_Winner** » Thu Aug 27, 2015 12:09 pm

Plus it's really hard to believe a globally famous athlete would break into some girls house for a piece of ass. Wasn't Derrick sitting in a cast during this time.

League Circles · Post #186 » by **League Circles** » Thu Aug 27, 2015 12:10 pm

I wonder if knowing that this was about to come to light - the suit - contributed to Rose's decision to not go to team USA mini camp.

aramada · Post #187 » by **aramada** » Thu Aug 27, 2015 12:10 pm

Why only sue Rose and not the other guys that have allegedly raped her?

Proven_Winner · Post #188 » by **Proven_Winner** » Thu Aug 27, 2015 12:16 pm

aramada wrote:Why only sue Rose and not the other guys that have allegedly raped her?

My guess would be because he has the bigger wallet. Better question is how did she escape from 2 dudes one being an athlete and didn't call the police.

League Circles · Post #189 » by **League Circles** » Thu Aug 27, 2015 12:16 pm

aramada wrote:Why only sue Rose and not the other guys that have allegedly raped her?

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Proven_Winner · Post #190 » by **Proven_Winner** » Thu Aug 27, 2015 12:19 pm

If this is the 3rd lawyer then why haven't we heard about the first 2? I'm interested in why she needs 3.

DJHill · Post #191 » by **DJHill** » Thu Aug 27, 2015 12:20 pm

johnnyvann840 wrote:
DannyOcean wrote:
Although I will say, if these allegations are proven false, there needs to be a civil suit in the opposite direction. It's hard to get the term 'rapist' away from your name, even if you are cleared of any wrongdoing.

Civil suit, my ass. What could this girl possibly have that could make Rose whole again after accusing him of something like this? She should go to jail. Forever. It's like attempted murder, IMO. She's trying to take somebody's life.

and on the other side...

DaeDae wrote:
Let me be clear. If he did this, he need to GO TO JAIL, and the bulls should TERMINATE his contract Immediately. And I'm a Rose guy.

yes

and this..

Michael Jackson wrote:
if she is lying,...... how it will weaken the case of women who are actually raped. It damages actual cases

I agree 1000%, especially the bolded part. The reason why people (at least I) jump down the throat of the women in these cases is due to the fact that if the man somehow gets convicted in these situations and its later found out that the woman lied, nothing happens to her from a legal standpoint, ever. I think that's BS that women can be allowed to take advantage of men like this through the legal system. If it was indeed set up so that the woman would face punishment if she is found out to be lying then I think it would decrease the cases of these scorned, bitter women looking to take these famous athletes to court for a quick paycheck.

Also, with the waiting two years thing: let's just pretend that this whole thing is true. This woman is a piece of **** for not opening her mouth sooner and potentially protecting other potential victims if Derrick is indeed a rapist. All the "she's a ho looking for a quick check" responses are completely warranted in my book, to hell with how non-PC it may sound.

aramada · Post #192 » by **aramada** » Thu Aug 27, 2015 12:23 pm

Gar Paxdorf wrote:
aramada wrote:Why only sue Rose and not the other guys that have allegedly raped her?

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yes, the answer was in the question kinda thing
Just pointing out another inconsistency in this story
That's gotta be one of the worst approach possible to trying to extort money from an athlete

aramada · Post #193 » by **aramada** » Thu Aug 27, 2015 12:25 pm

Proven_Winner wrote:If this is the 3rd lawyer then why haven't we heard about the first 2? I'm interested in why she needs 3.

First two times she wants to settle privately. Now going to the next step... TMZ

Post #194 » by **Ice Man** » Thu Aug 27, 2015 12:35 pm

I've retitled this as off-topic. If and when this case advances to the point where Rose missing playing time becomes a realistic probability, then it's a basketball topic. Until then, it's a bunch of guys in a bar debating how often false rape accusations are made.

Bluewaterheaven · Post #195 » by **Bluewaterheaven** » Thu Aug 27, 2015 12:36 pm

jimmy_smith wrote:
princeofpalace wrote:It is incredibly rare for women to lie about being raped. It would be shocking for any mentally competent women to lie about a rape this barbaric. Reading through a lot of comments in this thread, its not hard to understand why most victims of sexual assault do not come forward at all.

agree, only slut and gold digger did that.

I prosecuted for 2 years in Illinois, near a university in the southern portion of the state. Women lie about rape constantly, which hurts the ones who actually come forward. That you think it is incredibly rare is foolish. Working in a university town, we would constantly see women come forward after a long night of drinking, and claim they were drugged and raped. Toxicology comes in, do some investigating, and it turns out college girl **** up because she slept around on her BF and got caught, or some 19 year old white sorority girl slept with a black guy and is embarrassed, etc.

Everyone lies. It is a symptom of human nature. A lot of rape claims are lies. You want to know whats even worse? Majority don't ever come forward. Out of the rape claims we got more then 50% were false, but something like 80 - 90% just were not reported.

In the Rose case here, it smells of BS. The whole story reeks. Let me tell you, no drugged up victim is getting away from 3 huge men. Thats what those drugs are for. 3 attorneys? The first 2 realized the facts were BS and she had to find a real dumpster diving attorney.

If she had reported the rape right away, there would be a mountain of evidence, break-in, DNA, etc. Nothing now. She will be lucky if this case isn't dismissed after discovery. What evidence does she have?

Cliff Levingston · Post #196 » by **Cliff Levingston** » Thu Aug 27, 2015 12:36 pm

Derrick Rose is a lot of things, but drugging and gang raping girls? Hard to believe.

Proven_Winner · Post #197 » by **Proven_Winner** » Thu Aug 27, 2015 12:36 pm

aramada wrote:
Proven_Winner wrote:If this is the 3rd lawyer then why haven't we heard about the first 2? I'm interested in why she needs 3.

First two times she wants to settle privately. Now going to the next step... TMZ

But if the first 2 couldn't find solid evidence then what makes her think the 3rd will just by going public. When you dont have evidence I would think you'd need to attack the person's character to show how he could've done it. Things is it's hard to do with Rose because he's quiet and is known as a nice guy both in his city and in other places.

sco · Post #198 » by **sco** » Thu Aug 27, 2015 12:38 pm

Look there is a whole not-ready-for-HBO subculture that exists around athletes, musicians, actors and the like that has its own set of funky economics. I'm not going to judge or try to put this through a Chicago suburban filter.

And I am not saying that Rose did anything...But hypothetically, if any NBA player did something like this and lost a civil case (not criminal), would their contract be voidable? I assume it would be if they were convicted of a felony.

Post #199 » by **Ice Man** » Thu Aug 27, 2015 12:44 pm

sco wrote:But hypothetically, if any NBA player did something like this and lost a civil case (not criminal), would their contract be voidable? I assume it would be if they were convicted of a felony.

Every contract has a conducts clause, giving a team the right to void the contract based on a player's egregiously bad conduct. Not sure if that has ever been invoked, though.

Bluewaterheaven · Post #200 » by **Bluewaterheaven** » Thu Aug 27, 2015 12:45 pm

sco wrote:Look there is a whole not-ready-for-HBO subculture that exists around athletes, musicians, actors and the like that has its own set of funky economics. I'm not going to judge or try to put this through a Chicago suburban filter.

And I am not saying that Rose did anything...But hypothetically, if any NBA player did something like this and lost a civil case (not criminal), would their contract be voidable? I assume it would be if they were convicted of a felony.

Civil cases mean nothing. Losing a civil case does not prove innocence or guilty, the burden of proof is too low in civil cases. Hell rose may want to, and likely could, settle just because it is cheaper. We may never hear about this again if Rose throws money at it, and a gag order is put on the women.