Assembling Core 2.0

[Am2626]

I think the Jrue package is about right for Lavine's value. My favorite trade is with the Warriors:

Lavine
Sato

for

Wiggins horrible contract
'21 MN 1st
'21 GS 1st
'26 GS 1st

In your scenario are you expecting Wiggins to be an important part of your future core? MN 1st is only conveyed if it is not in the top 3. GS 1st is probably going to be a mid first round pick because they are probably going to be a playoff team. I would rather build around LaVine and the Bulls ‘21 first round pick which hopefully will be a top 5 pick.

If the '21 MN 1st isn't conveyed, it becomes an unprotected '22 1st.

I'm not counting Wiggins as a core member. He's just a bad contract we can eat for draft compensation.

Wiggins actually is having a good year. He has improved considerably on defense. Not anywhere worth his contract but he has revitalized his career. Regarding the MN pick if it becomes unprotected next year it would be a pretty valuable asset. I don’t see GS really having any incentive to make the deal though. Wiggins fits their team better than LaVine would especially with Klay Thompson coming back next year. That pick would give them an asset they could use as they bridge from their current core to their future core post Steph Curry.

[Andi Obst]

THT is getting more and more playing time right now and is really productive in his minutes. I think he’s a legitimate free agent target for a lot of teams by the end of the season. I definitely want him on the Bulls.

[DroseReturnChi]

THT is getting more and more playing time right now and is really productive in his minutes. I think he’s a legitimate free agent target for a lot of teams by the end of the season. I definitely want him on the Bulls.

idc if he becomes like wood. not offering a ridiculous 4/90 as op suggested to steal Lakers talent. Let lebron enjoy his last moments and retire.

[Andi Obst]

THT is getting more and more playing time right now and is really productive in his minutes. I think he’s a legitimate free agent target for a lot of teams by the end of the season. I definitely want him on the Bulls.

idc if he becomes like wood. not offering a ridiculous 4/90 as op suggested to steal Lakers talent. Let lebron enjoy his last moments and retire.

I can't tell you what it's going to take to get him here, his play in the rest of the season and especially the playoffs (if he gets significant minutes there) will determine that. But it's rare for such a young guy to even hit free agency and he's definitely got the tools to be extremely good. He looks super comfortable out there this season on both ends, like he's been doing this for years. He checks so many boxes for me. I'm willing to bet on THT.

[MalagaBulls]

As things stand right I wouldn't be surprised if the following are gone next year or by this years TDL:

1. Lauri
2. OPJ
3. WCJ
4. Coby
5. Felicio
6. Kornet
7. Hutch
8. Thad
9. Temple
10. Sato
11. Gafford

That's more than 2/3 of the entre roster that really won't fit a 2nd rebuild and the type of talent needed. Coby maybe stays for the 2nd unit but everyone on this list should be on the table at least in the off season.

[MisterRoy]

I think we need to be careful with Temple and Thad. We still need solid vets on the team no matter which direction we take. Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater here.


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[LateNight]

I think we need to be careful with Temple and Thad. We still need solid vets on the team no matter which direction we take. Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater here.


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I know it's unpopular to say it - but I want to keep Thad and Temple. You can see those guys coaching up Pat during games. And Zach and Thad go way back. I think I'd rather move on from some of the younger guys.

[LateNight]

As things stand right I wouldn't be surprised if the following are gone next year or by this years TDL:

1. Lauri
2. OPJ
3. WCJ
4. Coby
5. Felicio
6. Kornet
7. Hutch
8. Thad
9. Temple
10. Sato
11. Gafford

That's more than 2/3 of the entre roster that really won't fit a 2nd rebuild and the type of talent needed. Coby maybe stays for the 2nd unit but everyone on this list should be on the table at least in the off season.

Wait... You think we're keeping Archie?

[TheSuzerain]

As I said before, we can find vets to be the adults in the room that play the right way for minimum contracts. There's no need to be clingy to those guys if they have trade value.

[TheSuzerain]

THT is getting more and more playing time right now and is really productive in his minutes. I think he’s a legitimate free agent target for a lot of teams by the end of the season. I definitely want him on the Bulls.

idc if he becomes like wood. not offering a ridiculous 4/90 as op suggested to steal Lakers talent. Let lebron enjoy his last moments and retire.

Learn to scout.

Watch on YouTube

We absolutely should offer THT 4/90. It's our best chance to actually acquire him. He's on Patrick Williams level as a prospect.

[MisterRoy]

As I said before, we can find vets to be the adults in the room that play the right way for minimum contracts. There's no need to be clingy to those guys if they have trade value.

I think it wise to consider on-the-floor contributions beyond being adults. Thad is playing great for the most part. How much does it cost to replace that? Temple is on a reasonable contract. Why get rid of that?


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[Tetlak]

Giving THT 4/90 is a move that gets any GM fired.

The man is a career 31% 3 point shooter (playing next to lebron and AD!), and his advanced stats are below average on offense. Solid defender though.

Let's calm down here.

[MGB8]

As I said before, we can find vets to be the adults in the room that play the right way for minimum contracts. There's no need to be clingy to those guys if they have trade value.

I think it wise to consider on-the-floor contributions beyond being adults. Thad is playing great for the most part. How much does it cost to replace that? Temple is on a reasonable contract. Why get rid of that?


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Agreed. It all depends on the return.

I don't think you easily replace a Thad, or even a Temple - and their impact on the younger players. But, for example, if Thad was a necessary pieces for say a "Lauri+Thad+Sato for Wiggins + Wolves pick" deal (with the Wolves pick being the prize).... well, I love ya Thad, but you've got to do what you've got to do.

[RSP83]

THT is getting more and more playing time right now and is really productive in his minutes. I think he’s a legitimate free agent target for a lot of teams by the end of the season. I definitely want him on the Bulls.

idc if he becomes like wood. not offering a ridiculous 4/90 as op suggested to steal Lakers talent. Let lebron enjoy his last moments and retire.

Learn to scout.

Watch on YouTube

We absolutely should offer THT 4/90. It's our best chance to actually acquire him. He's on Patrick Williams level as a prospect.

If he is, I'm sure THT is already on AKMEs list. And judging from the Pat pick, AK definitely have the balls to make serious contract offer for THT, even if that means slightly overpaying.

[TheSuzerain]

As I said before, we can find vets to be the adults in the room that play the right way for minimum contracts. There's no need to be clingy to those guys if they have trade value.

I think it wise to consider on-the-floor contributions beyond being adults. Thad is playing great for the most part. How much does it cost to replace that? Temple is on a reasonable contract. Why get rid of that?


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It costs an MLE contract any given year to replace Thad.

Temple is the definition of a replacement level vet.

[TheSuzerain]

Giving THT 4/90 is a move that gets any GM fired.

The man is a career 31% 3 point shooter (playing next to lebron and AD!), and his advanced stats are below average on offense. Solid defender though.

Let's calm down here.

lol we just had to suffer under GarPax for years, and you think 1 contract is going to get AK fired?

Get a grip. AK can do whatever he wants with no fear for his job security.

[MisterRoy]

As I said before, we can find vets to be the adults in the room that play the right way for minimum contracts. There's no need to be clingy to those guys if they have trade value.

I think it wise to consider on-the-floor contributions beyond being adults. Thad is playing great for the most part. How much does it cost to replace that? Temple is on a reasonable contract. Why get rid of that?


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It costs an MLE contract any given year to replace Thad.

Temple is the definition of a replacement level vet.

Find an MLE player that plays Thads position(including small ball center), does what Thad does productivity wise (offense and defense) and influences the younger guys the way he does. Then I will agree.


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[Tetlak]

Giving THT 4/90 is a move that gets any GM fired.

The man is a career 31% 3 point shooter (playing next to lebron and AD!), and his advanced stats are below average on offense. Solid defender though.

Let's calm down here.

lol we just had to suffer under GarPax for years, and you think 1 contract is going to get AK fired?

Get a grip. AK can do whatever he wants with no fear for his job security.

So you'd like him to ruin the team? Excellent.

Ready to field an entire roster of Otto Porters and have no cap space or flexibility.

[TheSuzerain]

Giving THT 4/90 is a move that gets any GM fired.

The man is a career 31% 3 point shooter (playing next to lebron and AD!), and his advanced stats are below average on offense. Solid defender though.

Let's calm down here.

lol we just had to suffer under GarPax for years, and you think 1 contract is going to get AK fired?

Get a grip. AK can do whatever he wants with no fear for his job security.

So you'd like him to ruin the team? Excellent.

Ready to field an entire roster of Otto Porters and have no cap space or flexibility.

I want him to build a potential contender.

THT would be a good piece to potentially do that as he has actual upside. Much rather spend out money there than on vets like Sato/Thad (who collectively make just as much as THT would cost in this scenario) in a doomed hope to make low-talent guys like Coby/WCJ look good.

[Andi Obst]

Giving THT 4/90 is a move that gets any GM fired.

The man is a career 31% 3 point shooter (playing next to lebron and AD!), and his advanced stats are below average on offense. Solid defender though.

His advanced stats tell me that he gets to the rim, where he finishes at an extremely high level, whenever we wants. His finishing has been pretty crazy this season, he can finish with either hand and uses his tank body to protect the ball and turn insane shots against good contests into easy layups. Yes, the shooting - and especially the self-creation part of it - isn't 100% there yet, but there are flashes of high-level shot-making off the dribble and the spot-up shooting is already solid. He's also already pretty good at creating shots for others with his drives. THT is also, as you say, solid as a defender right now. With his length, strength and athleticism he should be a pretty big positive on that end once he loses the ball-watching habits he has right now a little bit.

In short, I'd rather have a GM who's willing to get fired for taking a shot at a 20-year-old wing with that combination of skills, length and strength than a GM who doesn't get fired for building a fringe play-in/playoff, no upside team around guys like Drummond or Oladipo.