Bulls Summer League

VolumePoster · Post #181 » by **VolumePoster** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 9:54 pm

Marko looked a lot stronger than I thought he would. That's a positive. But He has absolutely no lift, and can't defend the rim, which is going to be his rate limiting issue.

Stratmaster · Post #182 » by **Stratmaster** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 9:55 pm

DuckIII wrote:Sounds like Williams had a tough second half. I’m only 5 minutes into that half, but quick early impressions:

1. I’m glad he’s there, but Williams is completely beyond summer league talent. It continues to be clear to me that if he gets his head right, Williams is going to be a major star in a few years. What an incredible talent.

2. Simonovic looked very nice. Much more mobile than I expected and good offensive feel. Belongs.

3. Ayo. Belongs.

The three most important guys look good.

Get back to me once you finish the game.

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Stratmaster · Post #183 » by **Stratmaster** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 9:55 pm

dougthonus wrote:
HINrichPolice wrote:Have to remind ourselves that Patrick Williams is STILL one of the youngest players on the floor.

We also should remind ourselves that there's a very good chance that Patrick Williams will ultimately not be more than a role player.

Hopefully 6th man.

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Stratmaster · Post #184 » by **Stratmaster** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 9:56 pm

DuckIII wrote:
Dominater wrote:Patrick is a Beta's beta. Awful draft selection. I can definitely see why this F.O. isn't going with the build by draft strategy.

This FO is absolutely in love with PW, and rightly so.

Why is it rightly so.

I like PW. I think someday he will be a decent starter.

I don't get the "star" hype though.

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Stratmaster · Post #185 » by **Stratmaster** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 9:57 pm

Minalt wrote:I have zero concerns about PWill's "bad shooting half." The point was he got shots up and was active. Active being the KEY. This dude has a nice shot and one bad half in summer league means nothing.

Simonovic is a big add for us. X-Factor is a meme for Euro players, but he would be that.

How about his turnovers? Defensive mistakes?

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Stratmaster · Post #186 » by **Stratmaster** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 9:58 pm

dougthonus wrote:
DuckIII wrote:
Dominater wrote:Patrick is a Beta's beta. Awful draft selection. I can definitely see why this F.O. isn't going with the build by draft strategy.

This FO is absolutely in love with PW, and rightly so.

I wouldn't say I'm on the polar opposite end of the spectrum in regards to Pat, but I'm not sure why you think the FO is in love with him more so than any FO is in love with their 1st round draft pick that had a pedestrian 1st season.

I will say it will likely be hard to get a good read on Pat this year. He's not likely going to have lots of chances to do much on offense other than be a role player unless he really, really exerts his will in a way that is the polar opposite of last year. Between LaVine, Vuc, DeRozan, Ball, and Coby, you've got five guys on the team that are likely going to put up a heck of a lot of shots.

Bring him off the bench. It will be better for PW and for the Bulls.

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mtron32 · Post #187 » by **mtron32** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 9:58 pm

VolumePoster wrote:Marko looked a lot stronger than I thought he would. That's a positive. But He has absolutely no lift, and can't defend the rim, which is going to be his rate limiting issue.

He does look stronger than expected, which bodes well for him being able to stand his ground in the paint. I had to check his height because he didn't look seven feet tall, I wish I could track down his wing span as well.

Stratmaster · Post #188 » by **Stratmaster** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 9:59 pm

DuckIII wrote:
dougthonus wrote:
HINrichPolice wrote:Have to remind ourselves that Patrick Williams is STILL one of the youngest players on the floor.

We also should remind ourselves that there's a very good chance that Patrick Williams will ultimately not be more than a role player.

There’s about a 0.001% chance that happens. Do you still think he looks shorter and fatter?

He was playing against midgets

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Stratmaster · Post #189 » by **Stratmaster** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 10:00 pm

mtron32 wrote:
dougthonus wrote:
HINrichPolice wrote:Have to remind ourselves that Patrick Williams is STILL one of the youngest players on the floor.

We also should remind ourselves that there's a very good chance that Patrick Williams will ultimately not be more than a role player.

If he's a productive role play, I have no problem with that, we should bring him along at his own pace regardless. It's when weird expectations get put on a player that they just may not be that guy, which is fine. Bulls fans have this savior complex where they want every player to be the superstar that brings them back to prominence yesterday.

This right here!

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Stratmaster · Post #190 » by **Stratmaster** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 10:00 pm

kulaz3000 wrote:I’m going to have to disagree with the people saying that he looks bigger. He came into the NBA with a solid build and he looks about the same, perhaps a little more toned. He just looks bigger in the summer league setting against players who just aren’t as built as him.

And this right here! (Really need to add +1 feature to the app)

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TheSuzerain · Post #191 » by **TheSuzerain** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 10:02 pm

PWill's shot selection is abysmal.

Bullflip · Post #192 » by **Bullflip** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 10:08 pm

Ayo reminds me of Chris Duhon. Same kind of build. Not a great shooter but can drive to hoop. Good defender

biggestbullsfan · Post #193 » by **biggestbullsfan** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 10:10 pm

dougthonus wrote:
DuckIII wrote:
Dominater wrote:Patrick is a Beta's beta. Awful draft selection. I can definitely see why this F.O. isn't going with the build by draft strategy.

This FO is absolutely in love with PW, and rightly so.

I wouldn't say I'm on the polar opposite end of the spectrum in regards to Pat, but I'm not sure why you think the FO is in love with him more so than any FO is in love with their 1st round draft pick that had a pedestrian 1st season.

I will say it will likely be hard to get a good read on Pat this year. He's not likely going to have lots of chances to do much on offense other than be a role player unless he really, really exerts his will in a way that is the polar opposite of last year. Between LaVine, Vuc, DeRozan, Ball, and Coby, you've got five guys on the team that are likely going to put up a heck of a lot of shots.

Probably a horrible spot to put a young player with upside at if you want growth. A vet that can maximize the role would take huge advantages. I hope PAt can turn it around. He has the tools i think.

Portiseyes · Post #194 » by **Portiseyes** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 10:22 pm

Understanding this is summer league, I wasn't that impressed by PWill. Defense was pretty lackluster which goes to conditioning.
Showing the same tools we know he has, and a certain ease of play that makes you think he can take a big jump or two in his game. What I really want to see is him driving it all the way to the rack, repeatedly... THIS is the place where you practice that, attack your weakness and not be afraid to fail... only way to get better.

Minalt · Post #195 » by **Minalt** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 10:22 pm

Stratmaster wrote:
Minalt wrote:I have zero concerns about PWill's "bad shooting half." The point was he got shots up and was active. Active being the KEY. This dude has a nice shot and one bad half in summer league means nothing.

Simonovic is a big add for us. X-Factor is a meme for Euro players, but he would be that.
How about his turnovers? Defensive mistakes?

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Not worried about either of those at all. A few reasons:

Stratmaster · Post #196 » by **Stratmaster** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 10:30 pm

Minalt wrote:
Stratmaster wrote:
Minalt wrote:I have zero concerns about PWill's "bad shooting half." The point was he got shots up and was active. Active being the KEY. This dude has a nice shot and one bad half in summer league means nothing.

Simonovic is a big add for us. X-Factor is a meme for Euro players, but he would be that.
How about his turnovers? Defensive mistakes?

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Not worried about either of those at all. A few reasons:

- From the eye test last year, I don't think of PWill as turnover prone. He's ranked 140 in TOV% last year. It's tough to measure because the complexity of TOV% versus USG%, but I'll take 71 regular season games versus 1 summer league game.

- Defensively, I thought PWill looked good last year from the eye test. Especially for a young rookie. He made impactful plays and showed he can be in the right place at the right time. His DBPM is 0.0 which is good for rank #68 for ALL NBA players last year.

- I'm not extremely concerned about PWill becoming the next Kawhi Leonard like a lot of people on this board are. Obviously, I want him to become like Kawhi or better. But him working on his weaknesses are what I like to see day-to-day. One of his major weaknesses is asserting himself on the court (especially offensively). Today he showed that he wants to change that.

The turnovers come with having the ball and being expected to do something with it. If you are happy with last season being his ceiling then I wouldn't worry either.

He was average defensively last season, and that isn't bad for a 19yo rook. His major weakness is falling asleep in the court, and he did that several times today.

It's summer league. But he should be playing at a level above these guys he is playing against. Regardless, I agree we shouldn't be making judgements on this game, nor any of the rest of the summer league games.

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tedwilliams1999 · Post #197 » by **tedwilliams1999** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 10:30 pm

I'm glad to see Patrick is being featured like this. The best way to instill aggression is likely to throw him into the role and let him sink or swim. He definitely swam well in the first half, but quickly realized that it takes a ton of energy to be the lead guy. Seemed like he completely ran out of gas in the 2nd half.

Defensively throughout the game I thought he was pretty garbage, and a step slow consistently. I do think he'll be better suited at the 4 long term, as he's slower to react on the perimeter. With how much we'll be relying on him defensively during the nba season, his performance here was certainly disappointing.

Offensively Patrick played as the lead ball handler, the roll man, and he posted up fairly often. All of these are new roles for him, so it was nice to see him work to expand his game. The 2nd half was a disaster, but a lot encouraging things in the first half for sure.

He'll have to go back to playing his role once the NBA season gets going, but I do think his handle has some potential to improve. If he can avoid losing the ball in traffic, he should eventually be able to utilize his size to get all the way to the bucket, as opposed to pulling up for a mid range jumper every time.

Overall, I'm pretty happy with the skills flashed on offense, and disappointed by the defense.

Meanwhile Ayo and Simonovic look like they belong, though Simonovic is definitely going to be a disaster defensively. Ayo looked solid on defense, but will be rawer offensively to start. Dotson likely isn't an NBA point guard as of now.

Post #198 » by **DuckIII** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 10:52 pm

Stratmaster wrote:
DuckIII wrote:Sounds like Williams had a tough second half. I’m only 5 minutes into that half, but quick early impressions:

1. I’m glad he’s there, but Williams is completely beyond summer league talent. It continues to be clear to me that if he gets his head right, Williams is going to be a major star in a few years. What an incredible talent.

2. Simonovic looked very nice. Much more mobile than I expected and good offensive feel. Belongs.

3. Ayo. Belongs.

The three most important guys look good.
Get back to me once you finish the game.

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Unless Pat drop kicked the Bulls coach and walked back on the court and took a **** at half court, nothing in the second half will change my mind. Anyone scouting 19 year olds based on complete results rather than traits and progress is doing it wrong.

kodo · Post #199 » by **kodo** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 10:53 pm

Dotson & Ayo didn't look great considering both guys will be 22 this upcoming season.
If Patrick is our starting PF...yikes. Looks really good for his age but we're not a college team, we're trying to win NBA games.

Red8911 · Post #200 » by **Red8911** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 10:55 pm

kulaz3000 wrote:I’m going to have to disagree with the people saying that he looks bigger. He came into the NBA with a solid build and he looks about the same, perhaps a little more toned. He just looks bigger in the summer league setting against players who just aren’t as built as him.

His hair cut makes him look different too.