NBA Trade Thread #12

[Infinity2152]

How do we get a 2nd first round pick? Lots of interesting big men that are projected from 18-25. I like Wolf a lot from Michigan, and maybe Newell slips? GTown and St. Joseph's have good looking kids too

The think with Lauri is, he's solid on D, he's a HUGE target for Giddey, runs the break well and he spreads the floor. We'd be a BIG team with
White/Ayo
Giddey/Ball
Matas/Huerter
Lauri/Phillips
Collins/Smith

That's a lot of size and shooting

Still holding out hope for Julian Phillips to develop into a defensive terror. Kid has insane athleticism, 43 inch vert and 7 foot wingspan. Seems like he could be usable, like Derrick Jones Jr but hopefully even better on D. He's very young, drafted at 19, just turned 21. Herb Jones type player would be great. We have some very young players, they're barely adults before we have to make a decision on them.

We're low on spots, would be hard for a late first to crack the rotation next season. Lauri would be great, but that starting lineup is really light on people who can defend guards. Giddey's best guarding forwards, imo. With that roster would probably trade Coby for a two-way guard, Lauri will pick up a lot of his scoring. There's only one ball, somebody's coming up short between Coby, Giddey, Matas and Lauri. Probably better to re-sign a younger Coby for $30 mill and draft our player at 11. He's $46 mill next year, is he worth that plus giving up two picks and a $20 mill expiring?

[patryk7754]

Probably zero chance Denver listens to any offer for Jokic, but the Bulls have to put the call in and ask what they want. Only negotiating that should happen is that matas is the only off-limits guy and what barrell they want to bend AK over

[sco]

Probably zero chance Denver listens to any offer for Jokic, but the Bulls have to put the call in and ask what they want. Only negotiating that should happen is that matas is the only off-limits guy and what barrell they want to bend AK over

Yeah, really, there is nothing we shouldn't be willing to pay. Matas + 3 1sts. Problem will be that that probably won't be enough and then you're left with no other players/assets.

I do like the idea of saving them some $ against MPJ's contract by trying Vuc, PWill + Ayo for him. MPJ is way overpaid, and maybe they think they can unlock PWill and Ayo would be useful to them. Vuc can give (a watered down version of) what Joker does and help him rest and is an expiring. MPJ isn't a perfect fit here, but he's an upgrade of what we sent out the door and it frees up a couple roster spots.

[patryk7754]

Probably zero chance Denver listens to any offer for Jokic, but the Bulls have to put the call in and ask what they want. Only negotiating that should happen is that matas is the only off-limits guy and what barrell they want to bend AK over

Yeah, really, there is nothing we shouldn't be willing to pay. Matas + 3 1sts. Problem will be that that probably won't be enough and then you're left with no other players/assets.

I do like the idea of saving them some $ against MPJ's contract by trying Vuc, PWill + Ayo for him. MPJ is way overpaid, and maybe they think they can unlock PWill and Ayo would be useful to them. Vuc can give (a watered down version of) what Joker does and help him rest and is an expiring. MPJ isn't a perfect fit here, but he's an upgrade of what we sent out the door and it frees up a couple roster spots.

they can have 20 1st and every first born in the Chicago land area

[Infinity2152]

Jokic makes $55 mill next year. Our expensive players are Vucevic, Williams, Collins and Huerter. Then we don't have the defensive rim protecting PF next to him Denver you need next to Jokic, same problem we've had with Vuc. Maybe a trade of a re-signed Giddey, Vucevic and 6 firsts and 6 pick swaps would have some interest. Hopefully they don't make us include Coby too.

We're left at best with Coby, Matas and Patrick Williams as the replacements for Jamal Murray, MPJ and Aaron Gordon with an older Jokic. Don't think our trio is better. We're capped out, so probably lousy bench.

Jokic is 30, and has a player option in 2027. Have no idea how his body will hold up the next few years, but we're certainly looking at a max extension probably in 2026. Or max contract for a 32 yr old in 2027. We've given up our draft capital for years, so there's no adding rookies to help. Would be great to get 25 yr old Jokic, not giving up a 23 yr old Giddey and our best picks for the next 12 years for a 30 year old Jokic. Most NBA players retire in their early to mid 30's, especially centers.

This is exactly the type of move people have been complaining AK does. Trade future draft picks and young assets for older win now players. If Jokic is injured or leaves in free agency, we have very little left and our future sucks. The number of picks this would cost should be a deal killer to anybody who really believes in build through the draft.

[WindyCityBorn]

Jokic makes $55 mill next year. Our expensive players are Vucevic, Williams, Collins and Huerter. Then we don't have the defensive rim protecting PF next to him Denver you need next to Jokic, same problem we've had with Vuc. Maybe a trade of a re-signed Giddey, Vucevic and 6 firsts and 6 pick swaps would have some interest. Hopefully they don't make us include Coby too.

We're left basically with Coby, Matas and Jokic as the replacements for Jamal Murray and Aaron Gordon.

Jokic is 30, and has a player option in 2027. Have no idea how his body will hold up the next few years, but we're certainly looking at a max extension probably in 2026. Or max contract for a 32 yr old in 2027. We've given up our draft capital for years, so there's no adding rookies to help. Would be great to get 25 yr old Jokic, not giving up a 23 yr old Giddey and our best picks for the next 12 years for a 30 year old Jokic. Most NBA players retire in their early to mid 30's, especially centers.

This is exactly the type of move people have been complaining AK does. Trade future draft picks and young assets for older win now players. If Jokic is injured or leaves in free agency, we have very little left and our future sucks. The number of picks this would cost should be a deal killer to anybody who really believes in build through the draft.

I have zero interest in Jokic. Yes he is an all-time great, but he’s on the wrong side of 30 and we would have to gut our team to get him. It’s not like he guarantees championships by himself.

We need to stick with our youth movement. Stop looking for quick fixes.

[sco]

Thinking about teams blowing it up and nabbing pieces, Phoenix has Grayson Allen under an expensive deal for the next 3 seasons ~$18M/per. I hate him, but I hated Rodman too back in the century, and grew to love him. A straight up deal for Pat probably works. He's overpaid, but one of the better 3-D guards out there, and turns the lemon that is PWill's contract into (probably powdered) lemonade. Pat is young with "upside", which could be appealing to PHO.

[Infinity2152]

Thinking about teams blowing it up and nabbing pieces, Phoenix has Grayson Allen under an expensive deal for the next 3 seasons ~$18M/per. I hate him, but I hated Rodman too back in the century, and grew to love him. A straight up deal for Pat probably works. He's overpaid, but one of the better 3-D guards out there, and turns the lemon that is PWill's contract into (probably powdered) lemonade. Pat is young with "upside", which could be appealing to PHO.

Great idea. Allen brings some toughness to the guard position. Pat's way too young to be considered washed, but he probably could use a restart on another team and doesn't really fit a running offense how he is now. Allen's more likely to fit as a sixth man/injury starter here than Pat. Pat could be a far better fit to a team with Bradley Beal and Devin Booker already at SG.

Allen only gets $16.9 mill next year, some other pieces would have to be included. That would make it more difficult, don't see any other players under contract we'd want. We'd probably have to send them somebody and take Royce O'Neale or Cody Martin, unless it's a three team trade.' Phoenix pretty much has to move one of KD, Booker or Beal to get any flexibility. Could see them wanting Huerter as an expiring replacement for Allen.

[Dez]

Why would Phoenix do that? Nobody is giving up useful rotation pieces on better contracts to take on Patrick Williams.

Also not to Allen, he's a dirty flog.

[2weekswithpay]

Until the Suns get under the 2nd apron, they can take back any salary. An Allen for Pat swap doesn't work.

[Infinity2152]

Why would Phoenix do that? Nobody is giving up useful rotation pieces on better contracts to take on Patrick Williams.

Also not to Allen, he's a dirty flog.

Sounds like you don't think Williams can be traded then. Why would the Bulls trade him for a worse rotation piece on a worse contract? Pat's younger, they need a three and D wing way more than another SG, and their contracts are about the same AAV over the next few years. Suns would be fine with Pat averaging 8-10 points/gm if he can give them 32 minutes of great defense.

I recall hearing some things about Allen, but that was years ago. He really a bad guy? If so, I agree. Last thing this young team needs is problem players.

[Dez]

Why would Phoenix do that? Nobody is giving up useful rotation pieces on better contracts to take on Patrick Williams.

Also not to Allen, he's a dirty flog.

Sounds like you don't think Williams can be traded then. Why would the Bulls trade him for a worse rotation piece on a worse contract? I recall hearing some things about Allen, but that was years ago. He really a bad guy?

There aren't worse rotation pieces on worse contracts, Williams is the pinnacle. The Bulls would probably have to attach an asset to get off his contract and I'd hope they'd be smarter than that.

Have you not kept up with Grayson Allen's career?

[Infinity2152]

Why would Phoenix do that? Nobody is giving up useful rotation pieces on better contracts to take on Patrick Williams.

Also not to Allen, he's a dirty flog.

Sounds like you don't think Williams can be traded then. Why would the Bulls trade him for a worse rotation piece on a worse contract? I recall hearing some things about Allen, but that was years ago. He really a bad guy?

There aren't worse rotation pieces on worse contracts, Williams is the pinnacle. The Bulls would probably have to attach an asset to get off his contract and I'd hope they'd be smarter than that.

Have you not kept up with Grayson Allen's career?

Not really. Been a lot of NBA players over a lot of years, remember hearing things about him, why I asked your opinion. And I mean, the whole point in proposing trades is that we win the trade in our view, or at least break even. Both teams usually feel like they won in the end. Just a matter of perspective. In your perspective Pat Will is the worst contract in the league and irredeemable as a player. The Suns could think not spending $17 mill on another offensive SG vs a younger 6'7 wing defender with range is a better investment. Again, Suns absolutely don't need more scoring. Williams is a much better fit, imo. The same things you're talking about Allen could be the reasons they want to trade him for Pat, lol! Pat's worst personality flaw seems to be apathy.

My recollection of Allen is role player, sixth man SG on the Bucks. Smart mouth, thinks he's tough, never really does anything. Decent shooter, decent defender. He ever get into actual fights or real trouble, like 20 games suspension trouble?

[boozapalooza]

Anyone think its possible AD forces his way out of Dallas this offseason? He didnt choose to be there, and circumstances have changed with Kyrie likely out all of next season. Given hes 32, not the ideal trade target for us, but maybe hes open to a homecoming. Any chance they listen to an offer along the lines of -

Coby or Giddey S&T, Vuc, Ayo, 2025 1st for AD?

Nico Harrison probably doesnt take his L and move on this quickly, but he might have to if AD demands a trade.

[Infinity2152]

Anyone think its possible AD forces his way out of Dallas this offseason? He didnt choose to be there, and circumstances have changed with Kyrie likely out all of next season. Given hes 32, not the ideal trade target for us, but maybe hes open to a homecoming. Any chance they listen to an offer along the lines of -

Coby or Giddey S&T, Vuc, Ayo, 2025 1st for AD?

Nico Harrison probably doesnt take his L and move on this quickly, but he might have to if AD demands a trade.

Does AD have any power to force a trade? Hasn't seemed like a disruptive guy in his career, and with Kyrie out for the season doesn't matter much if he gives 110% or 50% in terms of effort. Once you leave LA, Dallas is probably a top destination, guess it would depend on his priorities. Only reason he'd want to leave there is to join a win now team, and the Bulls ain't that. Maybe he wants to come home, the playing for your hometown effect is real.

Last 5 years including this one he's played 50, 76, 54, 40, 36 games. Most of that he was under 30, as impactful as he is, he's a terrible long term gamble at his contract even if he cost no assets. Giving up Coby or Giddey and a lottery pick for the chance to pay AD $63 mill at age 34, no thanks.

He might be a great add to a team like Denver in a trade for Aaron Gordon plus pieces, for instance.

[patryk7754]

I think every team should call the nuggets about Jokic but I think there are a couple of teams that could be considered favorites to land him that are kind of under the radar.

First, its the Heat. I saw a report after Malone got fired that Jokic has been every frustrated with his teams defense and consistency. Not surprising, he hasn't been hiding it the last few games. You will have that issue in Miami. Plus, they could have one of the better packages to over for Jokic. Bam, Wiggins Jaquez, plus picks is a very, very good return for a player. And the cherry on top would be that Miami is already one of the better destinations for players so it wouldn't be hard to attract star talent to come play with Jokic, at all.

Second, (and honestly, something I'd root for if the bulls aren't going to get him) are the Spurs. They'd have to get a top 4 pick for it to be a realistic possibility. I'll also add that I don't think they trade the first pick if the somehow get that. But, 2/3/4 plus Keldon Johnson, Castle, and Barnes. Again not a bad return. You get very solid role players with Caslte and the top four pick potentially being stars. Fox/Vassell/??/Wemby/Jokic with CP3 and Sochan off the bench. They might never lose. And an even more out there hypothetical (only because of how unlikely it is for them to get the first), they get the first pick and draft flagg. Trade Vessell, Castle,Johnson and future picks for Joker. Fox/??/Flagg/Wemby/Jokic.

[jnrjr79]

Anyone think its possible AD forces his way out of Dallas this offseason? He didnt choose to be there, and circumstances have changed with Kyrie likely out all of next season. Given hes 32, not the ideal trade target for us, but maybe hes open to a homecoming. Any chance they listen to an offer along the lines of -

Coby or Giddey S&T, Vuc, Ayo, 2025 1st for AD?

Nico Harrison probably doesnt take his L and move on this quickly, but he might have to if AD demands a trade.

Does AD have any power to force a trade? Hasn't seemed like a disruptive guy in his career, and with Kyrie out for the season doesn't matter much if he gives 110% or 50% in terms of effort. Once you leave LA, Dallas is probably a top destination, guess it would depend on his priorities. Only reason he'd want to leave there is to join a win now team, and the Bulls ain't that. Maybe he wants to come home, the playing for your hometown effect is real.

Last 5 years including this one he's played 50, 76, 54, 40, 36 games. Most of that he was under 30, as impactful as he is, he's a terrible long term gamble at his contract even if he cost no assets. Giving up Coby or Giddey and a lottery pick for the chance to pay AD $63 mill at age 34, no thanks.

He might be a great add to a team like Denver in a trade for Aaron Gordon plus pieces, for instance.

He forced his way to L.A. out of New Orleans, so we already know he's the type of guy who would be willing to do that under certain circumstances. I'm not sure he has enough juice anymore, though, to make that kind of a play. And I also have no reason to think he'd want out of Dallas, specifically.

[MrSparkle]

Shouldn’t the Mavs just fold up the franchise? Close up shop?

Could you guys imagine if the Bulls traded Michael Jordan to the Lakers in 1990 for an older James Worthy and 1 pick, and then Pippen tore his ACL shortly after the trade?

Granted MJ was better than Luka… although TBF, Luka averaged 33.9/9.8/9.2 in the prior season, made the finals with a short rotation of rag-tag cheap role-players (besides Kyrie), and just barely turned 26, so it’s not some preposterous argument after we agree that MJ’s defense put him over-the-top.

[boozapalooza]

Jokic makes $55 mill next year. Our expensive players are Vucevic, Williams, Collins and Huerter. Then we don't have the defensive rim protecting PF next to him Denver you need next to Jokic, same problem we've had with Vuc. Maybe a trade of a re-signed Giddey, Vucevic and 6 firsts and 6 pick swaps would have some interest. Hopefully they don't make us include Coby too.

We're left basically with Coby, Matas and Jokic as the replacements for Jamal Murray and Aaron Gordon.

Jokic is 30, and has a player option in 2027. Have no idea how his body will hold up the next few years, but we're certainly looking at a max extension probably in 2026. Or max contract for a 32 yr old in 2027. We've given up our draft capital for years, so there's no adding rookies to help. Would be great to get 25 yr old Jokic, not giving up a 23 yr old Giddey and our best picks for the next 12 years for a 30 year old Jokic. Most NBA players retire in their early to mid 30's, especially centers.

This is exactly the type of move people have been complaining AK does. Trade future draft picks and young assets for older win now players. If Jokic is injured or leaves in free agency, we have very little left and our future sucks. The number of picks this would cost should be a deal killer to anybody who really believes in build through the draft.

I have zero interest in Jokic. Yes he is an all-time great, but he’s on the wrong side of 30 and we would have to gut our team to get him. It’s not like he guarantees championships by himself.

We need to stick with our youth movement. Stop looking for quick fixes.

You’d have to be insane to have ZERO interest in Jokic. I’d give up our entire team, Matas included, and toss in The Bean and Willis Tower if needed.

No chance Denver moves him. I do think he leaves once his deal is up and joins Luka in LA, unfortunately.

[Infinity2152]

Anyone think its possible AD forces his way out of Dallas this offseason? He didnt choose to be there, and circumstances have changed with Kyrie likely out all of next season. Given hes 32, not the ideal trade target for us, but maybe hes open to a homecoming. Any chance they listen to an offer along the lines of -

Coby or Giddey S&T, Vuc, Ayo, 2025 1st for AD?

Nico Harrison probably doesnt take his L and move on this quickly, but he might have to if AD demands a trade.

Does AD have any power to force a trade? Hasn't seemed like a disruptive guy in his career, and with Kyrie out for the season doesn't matter much if he gives 110% or 50% in terms of effort. Once you leave LA, Dallas is probably a top destination, guess it would depend on his priorities. Only reason he'd want to leave there is to join a win now team, and the Bulls ain't that. Maybe he wants to come home, the playing for your hometown effect is real.

Last 5 years including this one he's played 50, 76, 54, 40, 36 games. Most of that he was under 30, as impactful as he is, he's a terrible long term gamble at his contract even if he cost no assets. Giving up Coby or Giddey and a lottery pick for the chance to pay AD $63 mill at age 34, no thanks.

He might be a great add to a team like Denver in a trade for Aaron Gordon plus pieces, for instance.

He forced his way to L.A. out of New Orleans, so we already know he's the type of guy who would be willing to do that under certain circumstances. I'm not sure he has enough juice anymore, though, to make that kind of a play. And I also have no reason to think he'd want out of Dallas, specifically.

True that. Season he forced his way out, AD averaged 26 and 12, with 2.4 blocks. His sixth All-Star game, had 3 DPOY's already. Team went 33-49. Three seasons before that Pelicans won 48, 34, and 30. Not going to lie, if I could force my way off that team after giving them 7 years to get a team together and end up in LA with Lebron, sign me up, lmao!

Texas, Florida and Tennessee considered the best tax states for NBA players btw. Dallas is a pretty nice place to be when you're making over $60 million.


Illinois Residents State Income Tax Tables for Single Filers in 2025
Personal Income Tax Rates and Thresholds (Annual)
Tax Rate Taxable Income Threshold
10% Income from $ 0.000.00 to $ 11,925.00
12% Income from $ 11,925.01 to $ 48,475.00
22% Income from $ 48,475.01 to $ 103,350.00
24% Income from $ 103,350.01 to $ 197,300.00
32% Income from $ 197,300.01 to $ 250,525.00
35% Income from $ 250,525.01 to $ 626,350.00
37% Income from $ 626,350.01 and above

Could this be part of the reason Chicago is not a huge NBA destination?