Are people too hard on Billy Donovan?

[Red Larrivee]

To me it's simple, he had mega talent on his team that most coaches never had and when they did, they won multiple championships. He had Durant, harden , Westbrook at same time, MVPs that will be in HOF and won jack ****.

Harden wasn't on that team, and he only coached that duo for 1 season. That Thunder team literally lost to the best NBA team of the last 25+ years.

[Lunartic]

To me it's simple, he had mega talent on his team that most coaches never had and when they did, they won multiple championships. He had Durant, harden , Westbrook at same time, MVPs that will be in HOF and won jack ****.

I wouldn't even begin to compare current players to that, sooooo, people might think i overreact, but I view him as coach that would fumble and lose even with 96-98 bulls team.

I haven't seen anything since he came to bulls that would lead me to believe he changed or learned anything from the past failures.

On the other hand I keep seeing same pattern in 4th quarter that kept happening in OKC and are happening here on bulls too. It results in collapses unless main ballhandler guard is on fire( so he doesn't lose every close game ofc)

All the other stuff is academic, as all we can judge anyone's performance in high competitive environment, competition is the end results.

His are lacking outside of college, so he is fine with young players and most likely fine for last and this year, but if he not gone by next season, I'm sorry, but all this is pointless as it will lead to same result as 2010's OKC. I funny enough view Kidd as same coach, good to start rebuild, point A to point B coach, but to get to Point C(championship), u need a totally different guy

Exactly. There's these "intangibles" that are promoted by Billy's supporters that don't actually show up in reality.

He has a great relationship with the FO? That's lovely, I'm sure lots of people do.
The players like him personally? Excellent, they can get a dog.

In game, the only real measure that's observable - he's bad. I don't see any impressive out -of-bounds plays, or rotations or adjustments. I see a program and him sticking to it and even the "program" sucks.

Spurs game was just another example. Why create a plan that doesn't involve heavily playing Buzelis - a good defender with length and 3rd leading scorer on the team (sans Giddey) and is shooting 3's at 38%? He scored an efficient 15 points and played as many minutes as PWill who scored 5 points and can't create shots. And shockingly, the Bulls couldn't score whatsoever.

He refuses to challenge obvious bad calls and never actually campaigns the refs for his guys, has he ever been given a tech? He just chews gum and runs the same static rotations and ignores the actual in-game events. He is a bad coach and even his supporters insist he's merely "average" as if that's something we should be happy about.

[Seccci]

If bulls are not going to play defense, than there is literally nothing coach Donovan bring to the table, that was sort of one thing that is consistent over years with his teams.

Like literally to the bottom of the letter he is more useless now than mascot or any of us over here, just a figurine posing as bulls personnel.

its obvious, if he doesn't have all star level ball handler/playcaller on the floor, his team descents into chaos, lets hope something works out clown show.

It was like that even OKC, he had best years when he just give ball to Westbrook, or CP3 or even to Paul George- that's it, that was his plan.

It's same here, give it to DeMar, or give it to lavine... Now if no Giddey, we see his "coaching", or development of young players....

There's none

I see right through people like this, great A bullshitters, sweetalkers who ride on " managing", "coaching " talents of other people

Now we see that 5-0 run was just other teams cold shooting, was no coaching or development being done there.

Now bulls losing to g league teams, wheres the coaching or development of young players....

Zero, as he doesn't have any star playcaller on the floor, no CP3, no Westbrook, no Giddey level PG to run plays, do it's just chaos and hope and bomb

[GoBlue72391]

No

[Indomitable]

Donovan was brought here to win games. Not develop young guys, win games. Has to coach the players that are on the team. Let's talk about the core and how they are widely considered, represented in here:
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Billy is overrated and does not make good decisions in game. He is the standard bearer of mediocre

[GoBlue72391]

We're losing too many games because of our coach rather than our players. That's unacceptable.

[Stratmaster]

The only coach I can think of who might instantly bring 5 wins a team's roster (the Bulls or otherwise) is Thibs. But there is a price to pay for that.

I don't know about bringing 5 wins. But a case could be made that Billy has already brought 3 losses this season. And we are only 11 games in.

Obviously we can't say with certainty the Bulls would have won had he doubled Wemby. But sitting back and watching him take over the game and single handedly win it is pretty pathetic. Same with the other games. Do they win them if he actually coaches in game? Maybe. Maybe not. But they certainly will lose them if he doesn't.

[Indomitable]

The only coach I can think of who might instantly bring 5 wins a team's roster (the Bulls or otherwise) is Thibs. But there is a price to pay for that.

I don't know about bringing 5 wins. But a case could be made that Billy has already brought 3 losses this season. And we are only 11 games in.

Obviously we can't say with certainty the Bulls would have won had he doubled Wemby. But sitting back and watching him take over the game and single handedly win it is pretty pathetic. Same with the other games. Do they win them if he actually coaches in game? Maybe. Maybe not. But they certainly will lose them if he doesn't.

Billy must have a great line of BS.